Newb watercool question (not in FAQ)

olePigeon · 01-14-2002, 04:55 AM

No flames or newbie remarks, please. A link to a thread already covering this would be sufficient or any gratuitous information would be appreciated.

I am looking for a watercooling kit for a beige G3 Macintosh computer (ZIF socket.) I have searched numerous modification websites and asked many website administrators, but to no avail. I was referred to this website as a good source of information regarding my question and I hope that some of you may be able to provide a few helpful tips.

Any suggestions for a retailer that might be able to help me or another means of fanless excessive cooling would also be helpful. I've experimented with pastes and gels but they don't work nearly well enough. I would like to keep it as cheap as possible if applicable. I can post the processor dimensions later if needed, however, I don't have them on hand at the moment.

Thanks for any help,

oP

Brad · 01-14-2002, 04:39 PM

You won't come across a kit at all. You will have to modify a socket 370 kit.

the beige G3's never did OC much anyway.

jaydee · 01-14-2002, 05:37 PM

Yep, what Brad said. They do not make water coolers for Macs because there is no reason to. If you are really set on water cooling pickup a soc 370 kit and modify the clip to make it fit.

Brad · 01-14-2002, 06:04 PM

also G3's produce very little heat. You may want to consider strapping on a big alpha slot 1 cooler, and run it passively

olePigeon · 01-14-2002, 09:53 PM

I'll check into the 370 as suggested, thank you. I'm actually able to overclock my G3 to 350 MHz (originally at 233 MHz) but it crashes during bootup. At 300 MHz it boots fine but I get a LOT of Error type 2 (hardware inconsitancies).

I was hoping that cooling it down would yield at least usable performance at 350MHz. I'm trying to get everything I can out of this thing before I have to invest in a new computer. Rather difficult for a continuing student.

I didn't notice in my Macintosh Users' Forum that someone applied a watercooling system to a G4. That would seem more logical if anyone's seen the heatsink on those puppies. I hear they have heat problems so it the technology would seem more applicable there.

Thanks for the help,

oP

redleader · 01-15-2002, 12:54 AM

Watercooling will provide you with no benifit over air. Your G3 runs around 10w under standard load IIRC. THey were even used on laptops. Watercooling OTOH is used on systems that often exceed 100w. Indeed with TECs, heat may exceed 35 times what your system produces.

A much better idea would be to get an old Socket HSF. Even an ancient one would still be overkill for your system.

futRtrubL · 01-15-2002, 03:09 PM

Since it seems that water cooling won't provide any benefit over HSF cooling (can't get below ambient either way) and since it is only a 10watt heat source then a pelt might be useful if your willing to go there. That'll get you below ambient and even below freezing, that shgould get you better results, but may be too extreme ;']

Edward

Brad · 01-15-2002, 03:17 PM

even though apple hardware costs a lot, there is no way I'd go to a pelt system on a G3 233. Even if it is an exceptionally good core (like yours)

still remember though he is worried about fanless computing, and temps, so air cooling isn't really an option.
http://www.kdcomputers.com/exec/productProfile?id=433 that is a cheap air cooling solution, which even if you don't want to use it forever, it may give you an idea of what your cpu will do when well cooled

01-14-2002, 04:55 AM	#1
olePigeon Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2	Newb watercool question (not in FAQ) No flames or newbie remarks, please. A link to a thread already covering this would be sufficient or any gratuitous information would be appreciated. I am looking for a watercooling kit for a beige G3 Macintosh computer (ZIF socket.) I have searched numerous modification websites and asked many website administrators, but to no avail. I was referred to this website as a good source of information regarding my question and I hope that some of you may be able to provide a few helpful tips. Any suggestions for a retailer that might be able to help me or another means of fanless excessive cooling would also be helpful. I've experimented with pastes and gels but they don't work nearly well enough. I would like to keep it as cheap as possible if applicable. I can post the processor dimensions later if needed, however, I don't have them on hand at the moment. Thanks for any help, oP

01-14-2002, 04:39 PM	#2
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	You won't come across a kit at all. You will have to modify a socket 370 kit. the beige G3's never did OC much anyway.

01-14-2002, 05:37 PM	#3
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Yep, what Brad said. They do not make water coolers for Macs because there is no reason to. If you are really set on water cooling pickup a soc 370 kit and modify the clip to make it fit.

01-14-2002, 06:04 PM	#4
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	also G3's produce very little heat. You may want to consider strapping on a big alpha slot 1 cooler, and run it passively

01-14-2002, 09:53 PM	#5
olePigeon Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2	I'll check into the 370 as suggested, thank you. I'm actually able to overclock my G3 to 350 MHz (originally at 233 MHz) but it crashes during bootup. At 300 MHz it boots fine but I get a LOT of Error type 2 (hardware inconsitancies). I was hoping that cooling it down would yield at least usable performance at 350MHz. I'm trying to get everything I can out of this thing before I have to invest in a new computer. Rather difficult for a continuing student. I didn't notice in my Macintosh Users' Forum that someone applied a watercooling system to a G4. That would seem more logical if anyone's seen the heatsink on those puppies. I hear they have heat problems so it the technology would seem more applicable there. Thanks for the help, oP

01-15-2002, 12:54 AM	#6
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Watercooling will provide you with no benifit over air. Your G3 runs around 10w under standard load IIRC. THey were even used on laptops. Watercooling OTOH is used on systems that often exceed 100w. Indeed with TECs, heat may exceed 35 times what your system produces. A much better idea would be to get an old Socket HSF. Even an ancient one would still be overkill for your system.

01-15-2002, 03:09 PM	#7
futRtrubL Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Posts: 204	Since it seems that water cooling won't provide any benefit over HSF cooling (can't get below ambient either way) and since it is only a 10watt heat source then a pelt might be useful if your willing to go there. That'll get you below ambient and even below freezing, that shgould get you better results, but may be too extreme ;'] Edward

01-15-2002, 03:17 PM	#8
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	even though apple hardware costs a lot, there is no way I'd go to a pelt system on a G3 233. Even if it is an exceptionally good core (like yours) still remember though he is worried about fanless computing, and temps, so air cooling isn't really an option. http://www.kdcomputers.com/exec/productProfile?id=433 that is a cheap air cooling solution, which even if you don't want to use it forever, it may give you an idea of what your cpu will do when well cooled

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