HD waterblocks

Techguy · 02-24-2002, 03:53 PM

any one know of HD waterblocks that are NOT the koolance ones? Those are over priced it seems. I've seen a few ppls DIY and I'd love to, but I don't have tho torch and stuff to make 'em. Has any 1 make a DIY one b4 and willing to sell me one? I'm open to ideas and I only need 1. Copper is prefered.

Thanks!

DigitalChaos · 02-24-2002, 05:50 PM

i would be able to hook ya up... i have the copper right now actually.

Cyco-Dude · 02-24-2002, 06:12 PM

well, theres this; it'll be for sale 'soon', whenever that is...

DigitalChaos · 02-24-2002, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude
well, theres this; it'll be for sale 'soon', whenever that is...

that thing will HAVE to cost alot... is only for custom orders too.. making it cost even more

Techguy · 02-24-2002, 06:48 PM

how much does the copper needed to make a HD block cost (raw) ?

WebMasta33 · 02-24-2002, 07:04 PM

I don't get it... Hard drives don't get that hot!!! Get an 80mm 20db fan blowing across them and that's all you'll ever need....

ugh... I just don't get it. :shrug:

Techguy · 02-24-2002, 07:22 PM

well, if they aren't too costly, that's 2 less fans...

redleader · 02-24-2002, 08:10 PM

They're nice if you want a silent system, not for cooling performance.

What I would like to see is a smaller block, maybe 2*3.5inches made for HDs. A larger block does nothing for you, so why bother to pay for it.

Techguy · 02-24-2002, 09:01 PM

very true.
I'm looking simply to replace the fans that I normally would need, if it's cost justifiable.
I can't see spending $50-60 dollars to cool my HD's when I could buy a $12 big fan and run it at low V so it's quiet. But I'm prob gotta water cool my GPU and northbridge, so I was like, why not the HD's?
a small blac may wokr very well.

UnaClocker did that (sorta) here:
http://www.procooling.com/articles/h...h2ocooli.shtml

mkosem · 02-24-2002, 09:17 PM

yeah, pick up one of those pabpst fans they have at plycon, they are great!!

--MAtt

#Rotor · 02-24-2002, 09:27 PM

how would this be, or do you have to have it in Copper?

http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/cust...lon/index.html

WebMasta33 · 02-24-2002, 11:13 PM

I just find no need too... considering I have three hard drives stacked in two 5 1/4 bays, with NO COOLING AT ALL. They all run fine, and are never hot or even warm to the touch. Two of them are IBM 60gxp 40gb'ers and one is a 8gb WD drive.

DigitalChaos · 02-24-2002, 11:24 PM

they are not needed for performance... they are needed to reduce fans in your case... plus they can add life to your drive and reduce data errors, when your drive heats up the platters expand. there are chips to compensate for this but it is still nice to protect the most important moving component in your computer =)

my main reason is just to reduce the fans AND reduce the heat inside my case.

Techguy · 02-25-2002, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by #Rotor
how would this be, or do you have to have it in Copper?

http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/cust...lon/index.html

Rotor, perhaps it's cuz I just woke up, but how is water surrosed to flow in this block? It looks like each hole is seperated...
http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/cust...P04768_sml.JPG

#Rotor · 02-25-2002, 06:22 AM

that is indeed what it looks like..... here is a closeup of a CPU block, using the same manufacturing technique.....

http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...04459.JPG.html

as you can see the holes are interconnected on each corner, forming a grid....

might I add.... that is a lot of hard work, to drill holes that close together, by hand.... takes me about 7 hours continues to make an aluminum one like that....

gmat · 02-25-2002, 07:19 AM

WebMasta33: one wants a HD waterblock because:
- fans are noisy. Yes, even top-notch-latest PAPST or Panaflo. When you turn them off you can feel the silence.
- HDs are noisy. You want to insulate them, for example with foam. This would lead to them overheating quickly (specially those 15000rpm SCSI beasts)
- so you want to cool them silently. Watercooling answers this

That said, a small block is enough, even hotter HDs dont produce *lots* of heat.

EMC2 · 02-25-2002, 09:32 AM

Rotor - have you sent one of your CPU blocks to Joe for testing in the next round up?

Cyph3r · 02-25-2002, 11:58 AM

i have a 20Gb WD 7200 and a 6gb Maxtor 5400... both are very hot to the touch almost to bringing pain but not quite... they are both in the same cage...

i don't know if i'll go with a wb for my hd's yet.. will have to wait and see what my temps are when i get my rig built.

Cyph3r

DigitalChaos · 02-25-2002, 12:46 PM

for those that have been asking, my blocks go for $40-50 depending on how you want them designed.
they are the same dimensions has a HD but only 1/2" thick
the barbs are 3/8
the channels are made by cross drilling.
and the barbs come out anywhere you want. the way i have the barbs you can cool TWO hard drives with ONE block

and pricing goes as follows:
$30 for the copper
$2 per barb
$1 per plug
$1 per hole ( this is my profit... not really since its just to pay for drill bits and files...

)
+shipping.

so thats about the cost of a good waterblock, but this thing is 6 times the size of one.... hell you could even use 2 and make a water chiller with pelts!

email me if you need pics.

EMC2 · 02-25-2002, 01:13 PM

Quote:

$30 for the copper

OUCH! Where do you get your copper from?

You can get 1/4" x 4" flat bar in 12" lengths for $16.50 plus shipping (or 10-12" lengths for $15, they are basically left over end pieces) here

DigitalChaos · 02-25-2002, 01:17 PM

yea but my copper isnt 1/4"
its 1/2", and i get it pre cut (dont have the tools to do it efficiently), and it costs $ to ship that heavy shit

when you look at the total cost of the block do you still say ouch?

EMC2 · 02-25-2002, 01:36 PM

Oooops :O You did say 1/2", my bad

They will provide the bar stock precut to your request (+/- 1/8"). So for a 1/2" x 4" x 5" piece it's $9 (or a 1/2" x 4" x 4" it's $7.25).

Regarding shipping, a foot of 1/2" x 4" is right at 4 pounds shipping weight. It's about $6 for ground shipping of 1 foot, $8 for 2 feet. If you did 3-day Select it doubles the shipping cost.

So you're looking at around $12 per block including ground shipping and $15 using 3-day select.

Wasn't commenting on the cost of the block, just trying to save you some $ on your copper

#Rotor · 02-25-2002, 05:27 PM

I got pm'ed by an anonymous person about it, on wich I emailed Joe about it, aparently they want the blocks to have the hole in the cold-plate, like AMD say is must be done for heatsinks.... which ain't a problem, just that I've not goten any responce yet...

I spose I will have to get going on making the block if it's going to be next month..... right...

I have nothing here now that will be able to take that probe hole.

Brad · 02-25-2002, 06:26 PM

rotor. screw the hole in the block, it just lowers it's performance. Joe has a great temp measuring setup anyway. Personally I'd like to see you send him a Quattro

#Rotor · 02-26-2002, 05:54 AM

The Quattro is designed for duel pump redundancy protection prepossess... not exactly your normal, "run of the mill" kinda block

so the hole is not needed, is he measuring the temps from beneath the CPU.... is the only way to be absolutely sure, the probe is not desturbed while swopping blocks.... IMOA

02-24-2002, 03:53 PM	#1
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	HD waterblocks any one know of HD waterblocks that are NOT the koolance ones? Those are over priced it seems. I've seen a few ppls DIY and I'd love to, but I don't have tho torch and stuff to make 'em. Has any 1 make a DIY one b4 and willing to sell me one? I'm open to ideas and I only need 1. Copper is prefered. Thanks! Last edited by Techguy; 02-24-2002 at 06:45 PM.

02-24-2002, 07:04 PM	#6
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	I don't get it... Hard drives don't get that hot!!! Get an 80mm 20db fan blowing across them and that's all you'll ever need.... ugh... I just don't get it. :shrug: __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

02-24-2002, 09:17 PM	#10
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	yeah, pick up one of those pabpst fans they have at plycon, they are great!! --MAtt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

02-24-2002, 11:13 PM	#12
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	I just find no need too... considering I have three hard drives stacked in two 5 1/4 bays, with NO COOLING AT ALL. They all run fine, and are never hot or even warm to the touch. Two of them are IBM 60gxp 40gb'ers and one is a 8gb WD drive. __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

02-25-2002, 06:26 PM	#24
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	rotor. screw the hole in the block, it just lowers it's performance. Joe has a great temp measuring setup anyway. Personally I'd like to see you send him a Quattro __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-24-2002, 05:50 PM	#2
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	i would be able to hook ya up... i have the copper right now actually.

02-24-2002, 06:12 PM	#3
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	well, theres this; it'll be for sale 'soon', whenever that is...

02-24-2002, 06:48 PM	#5
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	how much does the copper needed to make a HD block cost (raw) ?

02-24-2002, 07:22 PM	#7
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	well, if they aren't too costly, that's 2 less fans...

02-24-2002, 08:10 PM	#8
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	They're nice if you want a silent system, not for cooling performance. What I would like to see is a smaller block, maybe 2*3.5inches made for HDs. A larger block does nothing for you, so why bother to pay for it.

02-24-2002, 09:01 PM	#9
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	very true. I'm looking simply to replace the fans that I normally would need, if it's cost justifiable. I can't see spending $50-60 dollars to cool my HD's when I could buy a $12 big fan and run it at low V so it's quiet. But I'm prob gotta water cool my GPU and northbridge, so I was like, why not the HD's? a small blac may wokr very well. UnaClocker did that (sorta) here: http://www.procooling.com/articles/h...h2ocooli.shtml

02-24-2002, 09:27 PM	#11
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	how would this be, or do you have to have it in Copper? http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/cust...lon/index.html

02-24-2002, 11:24 PM	#13
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	they are not needed for performance... they are needed to reduce fans in your case... plus they can add life to your drive and reduce data errors, when your drive heats up the platters expand. there are chips to compensate for this but it is still nice to protect the most important moving component in your computer =) my main reason is just to reduce the fans AND reduce the heat inside my case.

02-25-2002, 06:22 AM	#15
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	that is indeed what it looks like..... here is a closeup of a CPU block, using the same manufacturing technique..... http://3rotor.dns2go.com/images/r&d/...04459.JPG.html as you can see the holes are interconnected on each corner, forming a grid.... might I add.... that is a lot of hard work, to drill holes that close together, by hand.... takes me about 7 hours continues to make an aluminum one like that....

02-25-2002, 07:19 AM	#16
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	WebMasta33: one wants a HD waterblock because: - fans are noisy. Yes, even top-notch-latest PAPST or Panaflo. When you turn them off you can feel the silence. - HDs are noisy. You want to insulate them, for example with foam. This would lead to them overheating quickly (specially those 15000rpm SCSI beasts) - so you want to cool them silently. Watercooling answers this That said, a small block is enough, even hotter HDs dont produce lots of heat.

02-25-2002, 09:32 AM	#17
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	Rotor - have you sent one of your CPU blocks to Joe for testing in the next round up?

02-25-2002, 11:58 AM	#18
Cyph3r Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: West Lafayette, IN Posts: 45	i have a 20Gb WD 7200 and a 6gb Maxtor 5400... both are very hot to the touch almost to bringing pain but not quite... they are both in the same cage... i don't know if i'll go with a wb for my hd's yet.. will have to wait and see what my temps are when i get my rig built. Cyph3r

02-25-2002, 12:46 PM	#19
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	for those that have been asking, my blocks go for $40-50 depending on how you want them designed. they are the same dimensions has a HD but only 1/2" thick the barbs are 3/8 the channels are made by cross drilling. and the barbs come out anywhere you want. the way i have the barbs you can cool TWO hard drives with ONE block and pricing goes as follows: $30 for the copper $2 per barb $1 per plug $1 per hole ( this is my profit... not really since its just to pay for drill bits and files... ) +shipping. so thats about the cost of a good waterblock, but this thing is 6 times the size of one.... hell you could even use 2 and make a water chiller with pelts! email me if you need pics.

02-25-2002, 01:17 PM	#21
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	yea but my copper isnt 1/4" its 1/2", and i get it pre cut (dont have the tools to do it efficiently), and it costs $ to ship that heavy shit when you look at the total cost of the block do you still say ouch?

02-25-2002, 01:36 PM	#22
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	Oooops :O You did say 1/2", my bad They will provide the bar stock precut to your request (+/- 1/8"). So for a 1/2" x 4" x 5" piece it's $9 (or a 1/2" x 4" x 4" it's $7.25). Regarding shipping, a foot of 1/2" x 4" is right at 4 pounds shipping weight. It's about $6 for ground shipping of 1 foot, $8 for 2 feet. If you did 3-day Select it doubles the shipping cost. So you're looking at around $12 per block including ground shipping and $15 using 3-day select. Wasn't commenting on the cost of the block, just trying to save you some $ on your copper

02-25-2002, 05:27 PM	#23
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	I got pm'ed by an anonymous person about it, on wich I emailed Joe about it, aparently they want the blocks to have the hole in the cold-plate, like AMD say is must be done for heatsinks.... which ain't a problem, just that I've not goten any responce yet... I spose I will have to get going on making the block if it's going to be next month..... right... I have nothing here now that will be able to take that probe hole.

02-26-2002, 05:54 AM	#25
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	The Quattro is designed for duel pump redundancy protection prepossess... not exactly your normal, "run of the mill" kinda block so the hole is not needed, is he measuring the temps from beneath the CPU.... is the only way to be absolutely sure, the probe is not desturbed while swopping blocks.... IMOA

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