A simple question about water cooling

UpAllNight · 04-03-2002, 12:30 PM

i have done alot of research on water cooling as of lately.it seems like the more i read the more i get confused..right now im running a xp1800 @ 170x10 at 2 volts and with a case temp of 26c and full load i hit at about 40c (motherboard montier) i was needing some of the pros and cons of going to water cooling...do u think i could drop my temps with a good kit from dangerden with the BIX rad..i know alot depends on my setup...and how much danger is there in a good water setup...i guess what im looking for is some reassurance that water will be aworth the time and effort that will go into it...i love all the moding that ya'll have done ....but is it really woth it in the long run...

Thanx for your help

ECUPirate · 04-03-2002, 12:38 PM

Well, I'm air cooled at the moment, but my kit is on the way. I must say that 70C is outrageous. Mine idles at 50C... not sure how high it gets. Water is alot harder to heat than air. Even a poor water cooler will outperform the best and noisiest HSF.
I've not heard of anyone having trouble w/ leakage, providing that they took appropriate measures to prevent it. (hose clamps, use eheim pumps...)

UpAllNight · 04-03-2002, 12:40 PM

woops typo it was 40c instead of 70c

Jim · 04-03-2002, 06:17 PM

UpAllNight

Well,
I water cooled mine about a month ago. Found it interesting and rewarding since my puter no longer sounds like a cargo plane.

I like being able to say " I did it" and hear myself say it!

One thing I was glad I did do was to buy another case and work on it without trying to rush through the project. This way things turned out nicely.

I dropped my temps about 8c but now I only have 3 LA1's in the case and a couple of 120 MM's running on the heater core at 7v.

I was all worried about leaks and floods, never happened. I did screw up and place my "T" in the wrong place, took about 1 hour to fix it and things are smooth and cool now.

JUST DO IT, then you can say you did.

Jim

UpAllNight · 04-03-2002, 07:55 PM

Well thanx for the encougement...i think thats all i wanted to get out of this thread was some postive feed back

Jim · 04-03-2002, 08:03 PM

UP,

I have no idea as to what system or components you are looking at but you might want to checkback in here and see how well the Maze 3 works.

It looks promising, I ordered one today to replace the Maze 2 I am now using.

Jim

jaydee · 04-03-2002, 08:25 PM

Those are good temps with air cooling but the 68cfm Delta is to much. You can get the same temps with almost no noise. I am running a XP1600+@1575mhz 2.05Vcore 26C room 29C water and 38C full load with 1 83CFM 120mm Panaflow turned down to 9.5volts. it is quiter than my chipset fan!!!

But if noise is not an issue and you don't really want to go through the process then just stick with what you got!!!

UpAllNight · 04-03-2002, 09:50 PM

Thanx jaydee it just keeps gettin better and better....well i was looking at a maze3...BIX rad...and a eheim 1048 with 3/8 hoses...i want to try and cram it in the antec 1040 case...what do ya think?

ambient · 04-03-2002, 09:54 PM

Yeah if you can take the noise. For me, my stuff is still Air but I got a case that is almost finished. I need to get a block still and finish the plumbing. But I can say its been fun to work on. I gets to buy lots of tools

And I can't take the noise anymore.... I have currently 3X80mm 23cfm 50mm 17cfm 2x60mm 30cfm and 120mm sunon 107cfm. And that Sheet sounds like like a jet.

jaydee · 04-03-2002, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by UpAllNight
Thanx jaydee it just keeps gettin better and better....well i was looking at a maze3...BIX rad...and a eheim 1048 with 3/8 hoses...i want to try and cram it in the antec 1040 case...what do ya think?

Should do fine. I got a SX830 I am working on. Going to stuff it all in there somehow. I got a heatercore instead though. Works great with justg that one one. keeps water temps within 3C of room. I havn't settled on my final design for the watyerblock yet. Once I get my CNC mill going agian I will try out a few more designs. The ones I got do pretty good though.

Brad · 04-03-2002, 11:22 PM

40C is way optimisitic for that air cooling, your temp probe's smoking some good crack

regardless of that, watercooling will get you cooler temps, and will be much quieter.

UpAllNight · 04-04-2002, 08:06 AM

lol@brad and smoking crack i know your right about about my temps though...i need a digitaldoc for sure...i may just start with that first...

Jaydee

me and my dad own a tool and die shop with 7 cnc's...and i have about 15 years experence at programing to...with Autocad and smartcam 3d...so if ya need any help just pm me.i could write u a few programs or whatever

hey by the way what kinda rad u going to use that will fit in a sx830 case...that may save me a few bucks...i want it all inside my case though

jaydee · 04-04-2002, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by UpAllNight
lol@brad and smoking crack i know your right about about my temps though...i need a digitaldoc for sure...i may just start with that first...

Jaydee

me and my dad own a tool and die shop with 7 cnc's...and i have about 15 years experence at programing to...with Autocad and smartcam 3d...so if ya need any help just pm me.i could write u a few programs or whatever

hey by the way what kinda rad u going to use that will fit in a sx830 case...that may save me a few bucks...i want it all inside my case though

7 CNC's!!! Cool. You should make a few water blocks!!! I have a 1988 Ford Escort W/AC heater core that should fit in there. it is kinda big but it will do. If that dosn't work I have a tranny cooler rad that is 3/4" thick and 10" long that will easily fit on the top oif the case on the inside. The heater core works much better but the tranny cooler will do fine.

04-03-2002, 12:30 PM	#1
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	A simple question about water cooling i have done alot of research on water cooling as of lately.it seems like the more i read the more i get confused..right now im running a xp1800 @ 170x10 at 2 volts and with a case temp of 26c and full load i hit at about 40c (motherboard montier) i was needing some of the pros and cons of going to water cooling...do u think i could drop my temps with a good kit from dangerden with the BIX rad..i know alot depends on my setup...and how much danger is there in a good water setup...i guess what im looking for is some reassurance that water will be aworth the time and effort that will go into it...i love all the moding that ya'll have done ....but is it really woth it in the long run... Thanx for your help __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live Last edited by UpAllNight; 04-03-2002 at 12:39 PM.

04-03-2002, 12:38 PM	#2
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	Well, I'm air cooled at the moment, but my kit is on the way. I must say that 70C is outrageous. Mine idles at 50C... not sure how high it gets. Water is alot harder to heat than air. Even a poor water cooler will outperform the best and noisiest HSF. I've not heard of anyone having trouble w/ leakage, providing that they took appropriate measures to prevent it. (hose clamps, use eheim pumps...) __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-03-2002, 12:40 PM	#3
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	woops typo it was 40c instead of 70c __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

04-03-2002, 07:55 PM	#5
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	Well thanx for the encougement...i think thats all i wanted to get out of this thread was some postive feed back __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

04-03-2002, 09:50 PM	#8
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	Thanx jaydee it just keeps gettin better and better....well i was looking at a maze3...BIX rad...and a eheim 1048 with 3/8 hoses...i want to try and cram it in the antec 1040 case...what do ya think? __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

04-03-2002, 06:17 PM	#4
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	UpAllNight Well, I water cooled mine about a month ago. Found it interesting and rewarding since my puter no longer sounds like a cargo plane. I like being able to say " I did it" and hear myself say it! One thing I was glad I did do was to buy another case and work on it without trying to rush through the project. This way things turned out nicely. I dropped my temps about 8c but now I only have 3 LA1's in the case and a couple of 120 MM's running on the heater core at 7v. I was all worried about leaks and floods, never happened. I did screw up and place my "T" in the wrong place, took about 1 hour to fix it and things are smooth and cool now. JUST DO IT, then you can say you did. Jim

04-03-2002, 08:03 PM	#6
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	UP, I have no idea as to what system or components you are looking at but you might want to checkback in here and see how well the Maze 3 works. It looks promising, I ordered one today to replace the Maze 2 I am now using. Jim

04-03-2002, 08:25 PM	#7
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Those are good temps with air cooling but the 68cfm Delta is to much. You can get the same temps with almost no noise. I am running a XP1600+@1575mhz 2.05Vcore 26C room 29C water and 38C full load with 1 83CFM 120mm Panaflow turned down to 9.5volts. it is quiter than my chipset fan!!! But if noise is not an issue and you don't really want to go through the process then just stick with what you got!!!

04-03-2002, 09:54 PM	#9
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	Yeah if you can take the noise. For me, my stuff is still Air but I got a case that is almost finished. I need to get a block still and finish the plumbing. But I can say its been fun to work on. I gets to buy lots of tools And I can't take the noise anymore.... I have currently 3X80mm 23cfm 50mm 17cfm 2x60mm 30cfm and 120mm sunon 107cfm. And that Sheet sounds like like a jet. __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

04-03-2002, 11:22 PM	#11
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	40C is way optimisitic for that air cooling, your temp probe's smoking some good crack regardless of that, watercooling will get you cooler temps, and will be much quieter. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

04-04-2002, 08:06 AM	#12
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	lol@brad and smoking crack i know your right about about my temps though...i need a digitaldoc for sure...i may just start with that first... Jaydee me and my dad own a tool and die shop with 7 cnc's...and i have about 15 years experence at programing to...with Autocad and smartcam 3d...so if ya need any help just pm me.i could write u a few programs or whatever hey by the way what kinda rad u going to use that will fit in a sx830 case...that may save me a few bucks...i want it all inside my case though __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

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