Triple turbulent spiral channels

ablaze · 03-31-2002, 12:58 PM

what dya think of this block by Silverprop. going to be released next week!

gotta say the thing is HUGE.
specs:

Innovative New Features:

3 different chambers**
3 different base thickness (A, B, C) for each chamber design**
3 different coloured anodized tops**
Clear top for case modders with LED support**
Support for Socket 462 & 478* processors
Integrated ½" hose fittings
Support for 1 - 4 TE Modules with lockdown**
Can be opened for servicing
Ability to upgrade or downgrade from a Cyclone3 to a Cyclone4 and 5 by changing chambers
Optional silver plated Cyclone5 chambers
Specifications:

Cyclone3
80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm
½" hose fittings
open turbulent chamber design with B base
MSRP: AUD$55

Cyclone4
80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm
½" hose fittings
single flow turbulent path chamber design with B base
MSRP: AUD$95

Cyclone5
80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm
½" hose hose fittings
triple flow turbulent path chamber design with B base
MSRP: AUD$125

more pics!

the shipping block is supposed to be nickel-plated..not like these colourful things..

size compared to a..p4 cooler?

Psychotic · 03-31-2002, 01:40 PM

/me likes

ablaze · 03-31-2002, 01:53 PM

any opinions on the design of the block/channels/etc..

Psychotic · 03-31-2002, 02:09 PM

Well, my biggest fear would be weight. That thing is huge! As for the design of the channels, it looks to be very similiar to the Maze3. :shrug:

ablaze · 03-31-2002, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic
Well, my biggest fear would be weight. That thing is huge! As for the design of the channels, it looks to be very similiar to the Maze3. :shrug:

whats the fear? it looks no bigger than a swiftech 462

maze3 uses one main channel..this uses 3 smaller channels..hmm..

Psychotic · 03-31-2002, 02:27 PM

Hey, I'm not really the person to be asking about the advantages/disadvantages of a particular WB design. Maybe the triple channel will provide for a bit more turbulence?

Get Fixittt in here and I'm sure he'll have some feedback for you.

ablaze · 03-31-2002, 02:33 PM

well the questions were targeted at whoever's readin..not just you mate

Cyco-Dude · 03-31-2002, 02:35 PM

neeeeeeeeeeeeed a GOOD WB roundup to compare all these new blocks...

Psychotic · 03-31-2002, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ablaze
well the questions were targeted at whoever's readin..not just you mate

touche

I'm with Cyco-Dude though. <subliminal message to Joe>WB roundup... WB roundup... you know you want to</subliminal message to Joe>

Brad · 03-31-2002, 02:45 PM

yeah, i first saw pics of it a month or so ago, it looks incredibly cool

I'd like to see pics of the cyclone 3 and 4 as well

ablaze · 03-31-2002, 03:55 PM

yeah but FINALLY after months..its going to be released next week!

redleader · 03-31-2002, 07:33 PM

Thats nothing like the Maze3.

It looks like a nice design, but a top close up shot would be nice (the current one hides a little of the channel work).

jaydee · 03-31-2002, 07:45 PM

The main thing I DO NOT like about it is the Copper thickness. Looks like 1/4 or maybe 3/8 from the pic. I would liike to see one in person though. Looks pretty good.

Brad · 03-31-2002, 11:54 PM

I dunno about that jaydee, 3/8 might be quite fine for such a large block. what does swiftech use?

jaydee · 04-01-2002, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
I dunno about that jaydee, 3/8 might be quite fine for such a large block. what does swiftech use?

3/8" would mean 1/4" deep channels though.

I don't know if the channels expand into the acrylic top though. it kinds looks like the top also has the channels milled into it. That is a interesting idea if that is so. The Copper base and the acrylic top have the channels. I don't think I have seen that before. I seen one or the other but not both. I would like to see one of these and test one or at least see some results.

Psychotic · 04-01-2002, 12:29 AM

Where'd you find those pics ablaze? And do you think you could find some closeups of the block? It'd be nice to see the channels more closely so we could see if the acrylic top is actually milled like jaydee is talking about.

Brad · 04-01-2002, 12:54 AM

but then three channels that are 1/4 x 1/4 wouldn't be too small. actually that sounds fairly realistic.

the guy from silverprop is in the chat quite a bit, come in and ask him

ablaze · 04-01-2002, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic
Where'd you find those pics ablaze? And do you think you could find some closeups of the block? It'd be nice to see the channels more closely so we could see if the acrylic top is actually milled like jaydee is talking about.

its from OCAU forums..I'll post more pics as they come up

I'm probably getting one of these babies..wish me luck

Cyco-Dude · 04-01-2002, 02:48 AM

the channels are too deep to be 1/4 by 1/4...and the top doesnt look like it has channels in it; jaydee take a closer look @ it.....the copper part has the channels. the acrylic piece only covers the sides and top.

jaani · 04-01-2002, 03:04 AM

Lurvely orstralian engineering

http://www.silverprop.com/ for more details, shipping date is from Tuesday.

The channel design looks restrictive at first, but there are multiple flow paths so I doubt the effect on flow rate will be very limiting.

jaydee · 04-01-2002, 09:07 AM

Their site leaves me even more confused. They say there are 3 different base sizes yet I don't see what those sizes are? The one above has a monster thick acrylic top to it which I cannot figure out unless it has the channels in it aswell. otherwise it is just a waste of money putting that thick top on there as acrylic dosn't transfer heat. Il ike it, but I would like to see more of it!!!

pHaestus · 04-01-2002, 10:26 AM

It is very nicely machined with serious attention to detail. Looks to be about as large as is possible on Socket A (taking into account all the capacitors and such). Blue and red anodizing scare me; ingrained response to OCH products? The clear lexan barbs look HOT though.

Jaydee you bring up an interesting point about baseplate thickness: I wish manufacturers would start listing many such parameters on their site. I understand about "trade secrets" but information like channel thickness, baseplate thickness, overall height, internal volume, weight, and a few other items (force exerted by the springs at max compression?) are necessary to know. My thoughts on the design (caveat emptor):

In essence you have a spiral with parallel channels. That's a way (in theory) to get much more surface area without adding as much flow resistance (pressure drop) into the system. This is a good thing. However, equalizing flow isn't trivial. It looks like initially there are two channels, and this becomes 3 channels at the first turn (hidden behind the inlet fitting): that might be a good idea (assuming you can get the water through all three channels) because you should increase velocity (and tubulence) right over the inlet. I can't tell if the block does this again near the outlet or not.

Somebody buy one?

ablaze · 04-01-2002, 12:30 PM

hopefully I'll get mine by the end of the week, if Silverprop is nice enough to me

(you listening Jeremy!!

) I'll post some pics if I can!

EMC2 · 04-02-2002, 08:20 AM

JD, look closely at the block. The top is fairly thin across the channels. It then goes down over the sides of the block at the outside edges (like a cap on a bottle)

As far as the "trade secret" part of it, in a case like this, all somebody would have to do is get a block and they could obtain all the info you listed. For that matter, with a couple of pics it can be obtained by relative comparison with an object of known size in the pic.

In looking at the pics shown, it looks like the inside channel has a final turn to merge back with the outside two at the outlet. (hard to tell for sure from the angle of the pic)

jaydee · 04-02-2002, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EMC2
JD, look closely at the block. The top is fairly thin across the channels. It then goes down over the sides of the block at the outside edges (like a cap on a bottle)

Looks like it does this:
_______
|******|
|******|
********

where the * is copper and the | and _ are the top.

You are correct as usual. Damn that is even more cool. Post pics whenever someone gets one.

03-31-2002, 12:58 PM	#1
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	Triple turbulent spiral channels what dya think of this block by Silverprop. going to be released next week! gotta say the thing is HUGE. specs: Innovative New Features: 3 different chambers 3 different base thickness (A, B, C) for each chamber design 3 different coloured anodized tops Clear top for case modders with LED support Support for Socket 462 & 478* processors Integrated ½" hose fittings Support for 1 - 4 TE Modules with lockdown** Can be opened for servicing Ability to upgrade or downgrade from a Cyclone3 to a Cyclone4 and 5 by changing chambers Optional silver plated Cyclone5 chambers Specifications: Cyclone3 80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm ½" hose fittings open turbulent chamber design with B base MSRP: AUD$55 Cyclone4 80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm ½" hose fittings single flow turbulent path chamber design with B base MSRP: AUD$95 Cyclone5 80mm x 76mm x 47.5mm ½" hose hose fittings triple flow turbulent path chamber design with B base MSRP: AUD$125 more pics! the shipping block is supposed to be nickel-plated..not like these colourful things.. size compared to a..p4 cooler? Last edited by ablaze; 03-31-2002 at 01:54 PM.

03-31-2002, 01:40 PM	#2
Psychotic Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: currently in hiding after a recent escape from the psychiatric ward of a local hospital Posts: 69	/me likes __________________ I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

03-31-2002, 02:09 PM	#4
Psychotic Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: currently in hiding after a recent escape from the psychiatric ward of a local hospital Posts: 69	Well, my biggest fear would be weight. That thing is huge! As for the design of the channels, it looks to be very similiar to the Maze3. :shrug: __________________ I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

03-31-2002, 02:27 PM	#6
Psychotic Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: currently in hiding after a recent escape from the psychiatric ward of a local hospital Posts: 69	Hey, I'm not really the person to be asking about the advantages/disadvantages of a particular WB design. Maybe the triple channel will provide for a bit more turbulence? Get Fixittt in here and I'm sure he'll have some feedback for you. __________________ I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

03-31-2002, 02:45 PM	#10
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	yeah, i first saw pics of it a month or so ago, it looks incredibly cool I'd like to see pics of the cyclone 3 and 4 as well __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-31-2002, 01:53 PM	#3
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	any opinions on the design of the block/channels/etc..

03-31-2002, 02:33 PM	#7
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	well the questions were targeted at whoever's readin..not just you mate

03-31-2002, 02:35 PM	#8
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	neeeeeeeeeeeeed a GOOD WB roundup to compare all these new blocks...

03-31-2002, 03:55 PM	#11
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	yeah but FINALLY after months..its going to be released next week!

03-31-2002, 07:33 PM	#12
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Thats nothing like the Maze3. It looks like a nice design, but a top close up shot would be nice (the current one hides a little of the channel work).

03-31-2002, 07:45 PM	#13
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	The main thing I DO NOT like about it is the Copper thickness. Looks like 1/4 or maybe 3/8 from the pic. I would liike to see one in person though. Looks pretty good.

03-31-2002, 11:54 PM	#14
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I dunno about that jaydee, 3/8 might be quite fine for such a large block. what does swiftech use? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

04-01-2002, 12:29 AM	#16
Psychotic Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: currently in hiding after a recent escape from the psychiatric ward of a local hospital Posts: 69	Where'd you find those pics ablaze? And do you think you could find some closeups of the block? It'd be nice to see the channels more closely so we could see if the acrylic top is actually milled like jaydee is talking about. __________________ I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

04-01-2002, 12:54 AM	#17
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	but then three channels that are 1/4 x 1/4 wouldn't be too small. actually that sounds fairly realistic. the guy from silverprop is in the chat quite a bit, come in and ask him __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

04-01-2002, 02:48 AM	#19
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	the channels are too deep to be 1/4 by 1/4...and the top doesnt look like it has channels in it; jaydee take a closer look @ it.....the copper part has the channels. the acrylic piece only covers the sides and top.

04-01-2002, 03:04 AM	#20
jaani Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 40	Lurvely orstralian engineering http://www.silverprop.com/ for more details, shipping date is from Tuesday. The channel design looks restrictive at first, but there are multiple flow paths so I doubt the effect on flow rate will be very limiting. __________________ jaani. website. computer. e-mail.

04-01-2002, 09:07 AM	#21
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Their site leaves me even more confused. They say there are 3 different base sizes yet I don't see what those sizes are? The one above has a monster thick acrylic top to it which I cannot figure out unless it has the channels in it aswell. otherwise it is just a waste of money putting that thick top on there as acrylic dosn't transfer heat. Il ike it, but I would like to see more of it!!! Last edited by jaydee116; 04-01-2002 at 06:45 PM.

04-01-2002, 10:26 AM	#22
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	It is very nicely machined with serious attention to detail. Looks to be about as large as is possible on Socket A (taking into account all the capacitors and such). Blue and red anodizing scare me; ingrained response to OCH products? The clear lexan barbs look HOT though. Jaydee you bring up an interesting point about baseplate thickness: I wish manufacturers would start listing many such parameters on their site. I understand about "trade secrets" but information like channel thickness, baseplate thickness, overall height, internal volume, weight, and a few other items (force exerted by the springs at max compression?) are necessary to know. My thoughts on the design (caveat emptor): In essence you have a spiral with parallel channels. That's a way (in theory) to get much more surface area without adding as much flow resistance (pressure drop) into the system. This is a good thing. However, equalizing flow isn't trivial. It looks like initially there are two channels, and this becomes 3 channels at the first turn (hidden behind the inlet fitting): that might be a good idea (assuming you can get the water through all three channels) because you should increase velocity (and tubulence) right over the inlet. I can't tell if the block does this again near the outlet or not. Somebody buy one? Last edited by pHaestus; 04-01-2002 at 10:29 AM.

04-01-2002, 12:30 PM	#23
ablaze Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Singapore! Posts: 124	hopefully I'll get mine by the end of the week, if Silverprop is nice enough to me (you listening Jeremy!! ) I'll post some pics if I can!

04-02-2002, 08:20 AM	#24
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	JD, look closely at the block. The top is fairly thin across the channels. It then goes down over the sides of the block at the outside edges (like a cap on a bottle) Looks like it does this: _______ \|****\| \|**\| ****** where the * is copper and the \| and _ are the top. pH - I agree with almost all of what you said As far as the "trade secret" part of it, in a case like this, all somebody would have to do is get a block and they could obtain all the info you listed. For that matter, with a couple of pics it can be obtained by relative comparison with an object of known size in the pic. In looking at the pics shown, it looks like the inside channel has a final turn to merge back with the outside two at the outlet. (hard to tell for sure from the angle of the pic)

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