a Beginners questions

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-06-2002, 07:07 PM

I have a question, I posted it in the Bit forums, but I thought that I might get more responce from the "masters" of watercooling here (no offence Bit-Tech guys, it is just that these guys have been doing it longer

).

I won't reveal my whole plan (secret stuff

), but I need a coolant that won't freeze at sub 0c temps.

I'm also looking for a series of submersible pumps, they need to be about 100-150 GPh, and not very large.

Thanks

gone_fishin · 05-06-2002, 07:14 PM

Use some automotive windshield washer fluid.
Have a look around in here. Cal is a longstanding brand name with many models

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 07:14 PM

I guess you'll have to use more glycol or WaterWetter.

look for a thread started a few weeks ago by r0ckstarbob. I had tons of good info.

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-06-2002, 07:33 PM

Thanks! I think that windsheild fluid looks realy good now

I like those pumps too, nice. Thanks for the link.

I'll post my project if it ever gets anywhere

Signing out...

Cyco-Dude · 05-06-2002, 07:49 PM

i dont think windshield washer fluid would make such a great coolant...id stick with a mix of antifreeze and distilled water (maybe a 25%, 75% mix. it depends on how cold the coolant will get).

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 07:52 PM

go read r0ckstarbob's thread ... windshield washer fluid is usually 33:66 methanol:water, which he claims outperforms glycol & WW based solutions.

gone_fishin · 05-06-2002, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude
i dont think windshield washer fluid would make such a great coolant...id stick with a mix of antifreeze and distilled water (maybe a 25%, 75% mix. it depends on how cold the coolant will get).

Actually windshield washer fluid is the best. It contains methenol 33% & water 66% for a freezing point of -37F compared to a glycol/water mix has a freezing point of -20F. The viscosity is better also meaning the flow rate won't slow as much as antifreeze when it thickens at extreme temps. Pure methenol has a freezing point of -144F and pure glycol is -72F. Hell I've used it many times as an additive to mortar when patching up basements in the middle of winter.

MeltMan · 05-06-2002, 09:02 PM

I actually switched over from straight distilled water. Didnt notice any significant differences in temps. But now, I can stick my computer outside next winter for a nice -5c ambient

and another plus is that alge wont grow with methanol (i dont think anyways)

mkosem · 05-06-2002, 09:38 PM

way back in the day, at the dawn of water cooling. many of us water coolers were using windshield washer dluid for the coolant in out systems. however, we used it for it's bio resisting properties and mixed it in with water. give it a try, it couldn't possibly be a bad thing to at least try. a galon of ww fluid costs how much.....$1?

--Matt

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-06-2002, 09:38 PM

Another question, I'd like to use some bl00 UV dye for the coolant (along with the blue or pink color usualy asosiated with windsheild cleaning fluid). I've heard that bl00 dyelite is not good, but I want to see for myself, does anyone use it/have pics of someone using it?

If blue dyelite is not good, are there any other blue uv dyes?

Thanks for the tips about the windsheild wiper fluid, I'll most definately use it if/when I ever get this off the ground and flying

Signing out...

Haddy · 05-07-2002, 12:29 AM

duh u shoulda just listened to me.......windsheild washer fluid is awesome.....

Brad · 05-07-2002, 03:08 AM

go for the methanol:water mix, for the pumps just go with rio's, as you're buying several, reliability won't be too important, whereas price will be

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-07-2002, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Haddy
duh u shoulda just listened to me.......windsheild washer fluid is awesome.....

Yes, I just wanted to ask the "experts."

Still looking for dyelite...

gmat · 05-07-2002, 09:56 AM

WSW fluid is the top as long as it is 33:66 ethanol/water.
Beware though, some fluids have additives such as soaps, avoid them carefully (unless you want a foam/bubble generator)

As for the pumps you cash out the extra bucks and take Eheim pumps. You will never regret it.

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-07-2002, 10:00 AM

are Eheim pumps submersible and small? Those two are a must, as there will be no room for nothing else.

Yes, Windsheild cleaner usualy does have bubbles in it, but you can get it without it, I think. I don't think that soap is a good heat conductor, and I don't think the pump(s) would like it LOL

Signing out...

ambient · 05-07-2002, 10:13 AM

I think this was the link that ECU was talkin about
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=2862

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-07-2002, 11:38 AM

Yes, I went and found the thread myself after he mentioned it. Meant to post a link, thought I had, but I odviously didn't

Cyco-Dude · 05-07-2002, 01:57 PM

blue UV dye from caseetc
blue UV dye from Dtek Customs

th e eheims can be submersible, but they arent very small...but i guess it depends on what yould consider small...

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-07-2002, 06:47 PM

Thanks dude! You found my UV dye!

I need a pump that is under 4" wide, or that is less than 4" deep and can be layed on it's side. I wish to contain them in the resavour (can't spell

), because I don't want piping everywhere.

Yo-DUH_87 · 05-07-2002, 07:47 PM

I was talking with a car nut about the windshield wiper fluid, and he told me that it would work fine, until it coroded all my fixtures away.

Is there any truth to this?

05-06-2002, 07:07 PM	#1
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	a Beginners questions I have a question, I posted it in the Bit forums, but I thought that I might get more responce from the "masters" of watercooling here (no offence Bit-Tech guys, it is just that these guys have been doing it longer ). I won't reveal my whole plan (secret stuff ), but I need a coolant that won't freeze at sub 0c temps. I'm also looking for a series of submersible pumps, they need to be about 100-150 GPh, and not very large. Thanks __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

05-06-2002, 07:14 PM	#3
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	I guess you'll have to use more glycol or WaterWetter. look for a thread started a few weeks ago by r0ckstarbob. I had tons of good info. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-06-2002, 07:33 PM	#4
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	Thanks! I think that windsheild fluid looks realy good now I like those pumps too, nice. Thanks for the link. I'll post my project if it ever gets anywhere Signing out... __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

05-06-2002, 07:52 PM	#6
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	go read r0ckstarbob's thread ... windshield washer fluid is usually 33:66 methanol:water, which he claims outperforms glycol & WW based solutions. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-06-2002, 09:02 PM	#8
MeltMan Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: KS Posts: 374	I actually switched over from straight distilled water. Didnt notice any significant differences in temps. But now, I can stick my computer outside next winter for a nice -5c ambient and another plus is that alge wont grow with methanol (i dont think anyways) __________________ MeltMan Lurker Supreme!

05-06-2002, 07:14 PM	#2
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	Use some automotive windshield washer fluid. Have a look around in here. Cal is a longstanding brand name with many models

05-06-2002, 07:49 PM	#5
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	i dont think windshield washer fluid would make such a great coolant...id stick with a mix of antifreeze and distilled water (maybe a 25%, 75% mix. it depends on how cold the coolant will get).

05-06-2002, 09:38 PM	#9
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	way back in the day, at the dawn of water cooling. many of us water coolers were using windshield washer dluid for the coolant in out systems. however, we used it for it's bio resisting properties and mixed it in with water. give it a try, it couldn't possibly be a bad thing to at least try. a galon of ww fluid costs how much.....$1? --Matt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

05-07-2002, 12:29 AM	#11
Haddy Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 434	duh u shoulda just listened to me.......windsheild washer fluid is awesome.....

05-07-2002, 03:08 AM	#12
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	go for the methanol:water mix, for the pumps just go with rio's, as you're buying several, reliability won't be too important, whereas price will be __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-07-2002, 09:56 AM	#14
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	WSW fluid is the top as long as it is 33:66 ethanol/water. Beware though, some fluids have additives such as soaps, avoid them carefully (unless you want a foam/bubble generator) As for the pumps you cash out the extra bucks and take Eheim pumps. You will never regret it.

05-07-2002, 10:00 AM	#15
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	are Eheim pumps submersible and small? Those two are a must, as there will be no room for nothing else. Yes, Windsheild cleaner usualy does have bubbles in it, but you can get it without it, I think. I don't think that soap is a good heat conductor, and I don't think the pump(s) would like it LOL Signing out... __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

05-07-2002, 10:13 AM	#16
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	I think this was the link that ECU was talkin about http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=2862 __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

05-07-2002, 11:38 AM	#17
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	Yes, I went and found the thread myself after he mentioned it. Meant to post a link, thought I had, but I odviously didn't __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

05-07-2002, 01:57 PM	#18
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	blue UV dye from caseetc blue UV dye from Dtek Customs th e eheims can be submersible, but they arent very small...but i guess it depends on what yould consider small...

05-07-2002, 06:47 PM	#19
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	Thanks dude! You found my UV dye! I need a pump that is under 4" wide, or that is less than 4" deep and can be layed on it's side. I wish to contain them in the resavour (can't spell ), because I don't want piping everywhere. __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

05-07-2002, 07:47 PM	#20
Yo-DUH_87 Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 230	I was talking with a car nut about the windshield wiper fluid, and he told me that it would work fine, until it coroded all my fixtures away. Is there any truth to this? __________________ Signing out... Yo-DUH_87 If it works, fix it until it's broke! Then, after it's broke, add duct tape! Affordable webhosting!

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