Directron & Maze 3 :(

DarkEdge · 06-12-2002, 11:48 PM

I love DangerDen. There service and products are outstanding. This morning when I woke up though there was a pool of water in my case bottom and the comp was dead.

I bought my block from Directron along with 350 dollars of other items. A case, ide cables, power supply. So I threw away my receipt. Big deal what would I need to return out of that? Well they refused to replace the block, gave me attitude, and basiclly bent me over and gave it to me in the ass.

Now when I contact DangerDen they are more then happy to help. Even give me a choice of a new waterblock. Something I didn't expect or ask for. I just wanted to tell them my expierience with there reseller and make it aware to them.

So far my Radeon 8500 is dead. My Athlon 1.4 is dead. I found water in the sound card pci slot. I am assuming that is dead to. There goes my new audigy. Most likely my mother board is dead to. I prey to god it didn't short my hd's. Thats 2 30gig Barracuda 3's and 2 maxtor 40 gig's, and a maxtor 20 gig gone. Not to mention my new LiteOn 48x burner and my pioneer dvd drive. I doubt the short went up the ide channel.

I don't blame DangerDen for this. Its a risk you take when watercooling. My pump didn't fail, it was a leak in the top, that turned into a gaping hole when there was no more water in the system. Even if there was a crack in the top (There wasn't) its something you have to accpet. You can't water cool and expect nothing to happen. If that was true don't you think you would see Dell, Compaq, and other companies selling there computers with watercooled cpu's.

I don't know the point of my rant. I can't even remember what I'm typing. I'm so frustrated with this Directron company. I new there was a reason I never shopped there. I always shopped at AxionTech. Have been for 2 years. They just didn't have my case I wanted and didn't have the Maze3 yet. Not to mention there customer support is right up there with DangerDen. They keep records of your purchases, so if you don't have a reciept you can return the item. My best friend returned his mobo a year later without the reciept. They even gave him money back because the new motherboard he wanted was cheaper then the one he bought at that time.

Ok. To recap. Directron is evil. DangerDen makes great blocks, even after my little FIASCO. I still plan on doing water-cooling. This time around though it will be with a copper top.

WebMasta33 · 06-13-2002, 12:13 AM

Where in your block did the seal break? Around the barbs, or the oring?

ECUPirate · 06-13-2002, 12:15 AM

That's BS. If fault was in the block, and you used due care in using the WC equipment, DDen is responsible. Directron may also be held responsible for selling a product that ruined your system. If you wanted to, I'm sure you could win a suit against either or both companies.

DarkEdge · 06-13-2002, 12:29 AM

At either side. Was hard to tell. It had bubbled up from the heat. I assume the o-ring gave first, then the actual top.

As for the lawsuit part. I'm a layed back kind of guy. I take things in stride. I have had alot of things go wrong with my projects. Granted this is severe and I didn't want to get a new motherboard until serial ata, but oh well. This gives me a reson to try the intel p4 1.6a. I havn't used an intel chip since my Gigabyte440bx, and p2 400. To this day my favorite comp. (Its what I'm on now.)

My problem is not with DangerDen, its with Directron. If I can keep just one person from staying away from that company I'll be happy. Either way I reported them to the Better Business Bureau for the way I was treated. You should of heard the guy.

I'm a little more upset now. Final price to replace my system is $621 dollars from new egg. Heres the link. http://www.newegg.com/app/shoppingca...ubmit=SHIPPING

Other then moving my radeon up to 128 meg I'm not upgrading. True i'm buying intel this time at a faster clock, but my 1.4 did 1.65, and that was at stock voltage. It coulda been a great OC I think

Cyco-Dude · 06-13-2002, 12:56 AM

lol, that sux

you need to find out exactly how the system failed and take steps to prevent it from happening again.

if you get the 1.6a (wish there was a 1.6b

), you should be able to overclock the hell outta it; they typically do well over 2ghz.

Brad · 06-13-2002, 01:58 AM

was the pump and rad fan still going? the reason why i ask is if the pump failed, the block would eventually heat up enough to melt the top of it

DarkEdge · 06-13-2002, 02:31 AM

Pump was off. Its wired to the psu via a relay. So when the cpu fried it cut off. I did turn the psu on after unhooling it from the mainboard and the pump was going full throtle like its suppose to.

Thats was my first thought, and the first thing I checked.

V12|V12 · 06-13-2002, 06:48 AM

Sorry for your losses man... But one thing that I've learned a LONG time ago, was that you should make it your FIRST and foremost priority to COAT your cards and mobo with some sort of clear lacquer, enamel, etc.! That way, if anything spills, then you have no worry, but I would still be getting paper towels ASAP! It's a hassle, but worth it if it means you saving 100's of dollars in lost Hardware! I got some spray lacquer, sprayed a bunch in a beaker, then added some acetone to keep it from drying, then painted EVERYTHING with it. You can't even tell it's on there. Dried in like 10min under a lamp, and Bingo!

Good luck!

bigben2k · 06-13-2002, 09:31 AM

Yeah, I'm sorry DarkEdge, but it seems like you could have taken a few precautions to limit the damage.

I really feel for you though, it sucks nutz to loose a system, especially a nice one like yours.

I'm not clear that the problem was the waterblock. It seems to me that it's possible that you had another leak somewhere else, which dropped the water level to where the WB overheated THEN the WB seal cooked. The Maze 3 are tested to 80 psi before shipping, so I doubt that the leak started there.

As for Directron, I deal with them, but only because they're local to me. No problems yet. As for how they're handling your situation, seeing my remark above about the WB, you may be the one responsible for the system failure, and you probably didn't give them a satisfying answer as to what went wrong with the part that they sold you.

Theoretically, there is no way for a Maze 3 to fail by design, but it will fail if it's not mounted properly, or if it isn't given any coolant, all of which are the users responsability.

I want to say that maybe we should pressure test our rigs, before mounting them, the same way mechanics pressure test car radiators: it would help avoiding a disaster like this one. Live and learn.

pHaestus · 06-13-2002, 09:42 AM

Is there a statement of liability (or lack thereof) on Dangerden's site? I recall the Koolance cases leaking due to a design flaw and they replaced entire systems for people. That is a good bit different though; the entire system came preassembled I think and all the end user had to do was put their PC in the case.

In general, no warranty is expressed or implied for watercooling stuff. Hell even core-crushing heatsinks (that Zen radiator thing) don't warranty a damaged CPU. If they did, I would be all over Vantec for the POS 6027D that they sent me to review long ago (worst episode....ever!)

Triton · 06-13-2002, 11:23 AM

How long did you perform a leak test before actually running your rig with the electronics on? Is it possible that you cracked the top during mounting? It's all tough to say. I feel bad for anyone that losses a rig. But keep looking at other possibilities other than block failure, otherwise you may be doomed to repeat history.

DarkEdge · 06-13-2002, 02:25 PM

I'm never going to say it wasn't possible that it was my fault. Anything could of happened. I have had stranger things happen. I had a duron core crack on me after it sat untouched and running almost 24/7 for 3-6 months.

I did a leak test for 2 days. No leaks. If there was a leak somewhere else that wouldn't explain the pool of water in my case. I checked the barb connections and they were not leaking. I had the maze 3 running for a week now. I was about to get rid of it to. I had bought a dehumidifier and was getting ready to use it as a chiller. I didn't want a poly top cause it could crack because of the cold.

Maybe I missed something. Beats the hell out of me. I'm honestly not that upset, just a little ticked about the guys attitude. Either he gets a lot of that and didn't care, or he was just having a bad day.

Anyways I have a spare Duron a friends loaning me to test my MB. If thats alive I'll keep that until I do some research on what motherboard/chipset to use for my 1.6a I want to get.

UpAllNight · 06-13-2002, 02:36 PM

sorry about your loss DarkEdge

but i wish i knew what had happened to your system i to am a maze3 owner and thats my reason for wondering(may save me some money in the long run)

DarkEdge · 06-13-2002, 02:43 PM

Well since I was asleep I can only speculate. On the long sides of the block the top bubble up. Not to much either, but when you have a 700gph pump it doesn't take much to pump your res bone dry.

The o-ring appeared to be intact, and was still in its groove no pysical damage. As for the hose barbs it wasnt leaking from them.

chazz469 · 06-13-2002, 03:11 PM

Weird. I have a Maze3 as well, and now I'm a little concerned. I've heard about other problems with the acrylic tops (instead of copper). Hopefully, those (and yours) are fluke occurances. Maybe if there are too many problems, and people report them, DD will do a recall or something.

Sorry about you're stuff dude.....but I like you're attitude.

DarkEdge · 06-13-2002, 03:21 PM

It is probally just a fluke. Only problems I have seen with the maze 3's are the tops cracking. I think thats the main reason you can order them with copper tops now.

ECUPirate · 06-13-2002, 03:40 PM

these new copper tops... how are they affixed? w/ O-ring and screws, or solder? I getting scared about my maze 3. Also, I just switched to P4, so I'm looking into WCing my new P4 chip. What to do? I don't think DDen offers copper top P4 maze3's...

DarkEdge · 06-13-2002, 05:07 PM

I have no idea about the new tops. I just saw the info on there site.

WebMasta33 · 06-13-2002, 05:09 PM

All this speculation... DangerDen needs a new PR guy to set things straight.

Cyco-Dude · 06-13-2002, 06:45 PM

yes you can get copper tops for the Maze3, in both the AMD and P4 flavors. im thinking they go on just like the clear tops (so they are removable, and not soldered).

DarkEdge · 06-13-2002, 09:07 PM

Eeek. I think I would want soldered. If its just a bolt on top then its not really going to be anymore leak resistant. The only plus is to the fact that the top won't bubble up.

Cyco-Dude · 06-13-2002, 09:40 PM

or crack...

morphling1 · 06-14-2002, 01:23 AM

All this bad fellings about clear top and o-rings, are totally misplaced, I have tested my tops at 3bars for 24h of air preasure on block under water and it didn't leaked, I have a lot more trouble with good top soldering, good design clear top and bolts with o-ring are 100% safe, I just don't believe that maze3 would leak at the o-ring, maybe at fittings that would somehow be screwed too little and there wasn't enough teflon tape on thread, that is the only way.

DarkEdge · 06-14-2002, 01:29 AM

Well once again though it did not leak at the barbs. I ran it for a week and there were no leaks there. After briefly running water through it to attempt to see wtf happened the only place it was leaking was from the sides where the top bubbled up.

I agree this whole ordeal is unuasual. If I was awake at the time I would be able to tell you exactly what happend. I can only speculate though.

Dead Components Update: Motherboard IS dead. CPU is dead. Tested the sound card and its dead. My video card somehow IS working, at first it wasn't in my old p2-400. Put it in my fathers Dell though and it did. My seagate 30gigs are working, but my maxtor 40's won't pick up. I'm going to take them over sometime soon and see if its just my oldy comp.

bigben2k · 06-14-2002, 10:09 AM

The 700gph pump might be the source of what caused the problem. Because it's so powerfull, it might have started a leak.

I understand that you tested the system, but pressure testing is what you needed, I think.

You might be able to test your rig right now. Is the clear top still usefull, or did it melt? Can you put the block back together?

06-12-2002, 11:48 PM	#1
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	Directron & Maze 3 :( I love DangerDen. There service and products are outstanding. This morning when I woke up though there was a pool of water in my case bottom and the comp was dead. I bought my block from Directron along with 350 dollars of other items. A case, ide cables, power supply. So I threw away my receipt. Big deal what would I need to return out of that? Well they refused to replace the block, gave me attitude, and basiclly bent me over and gave it to me in the ass. Now when I contact DangerDen they are more then happy to help. Even give me a choice of a new waterblock. Something I didn't expect or ask for. I just wanted to tell them my expierience with there reseller and make it aware to them. So far my Radeon 8500 is dead. My Athlon 1.4 is dead. I found water in the sound card pci slot. I am assuming that is dead to. There goes my new audigy. Most likely my mother board is dead to. I prey to god it didn't short my hd's. Thats 2 30gig Barracuda 3's and 2 maxtor 40 gig's, and a maxtor 20 gig gone. Not to mention my new LiteOn 48x burner and my pioneer dvd drive. I doubt the short went up the ide channel. I don't blame DangerDen for this. Its a risk you take when watercooling. My pump didn't fail, it was a leak in the top, that turned into a gaping hole when there was no more water in the system. Even if there was a crack in the top (There wasn't) its something you have to accpet. You can't water cool and expect nothing to happen. If that was true don't you think you would see Dell, Compaq, and other companies selling there computers with watercooled cpu's. I don't know the point of my rant. I can't even remember what I'm typing. I'm so frustrated with this Directron company. I new there was a reason I never shopped there. I always shopped at AxionTech. Have been for 2 years. They just didn't have my case I wanted and didn't have the Maze3 yet. Not to mention there customer support is right up there with DangerDen. They keep records of your purchases, so if you don't have a reciept you can return the item. My best friend returned his mobo a year later without the reciept. They even gave him money back because the new motherboard he wanted was cheaper then the one he bought at that time. Ok. To recap. Directron is evil. DangerDen makes great blocks, even after my little FIASCO. I still plan on doing water-cooling. This time around though it will be with a copper top.

06-13-2002, 12:13 AM	#2
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	Where in your block did the seal break? Around the barbs, or the oring? __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

06-13-2002, 12:15 AM	#3
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	That's BS. If fault was in the block, and you used due care in using the WC equipment, DDen is responsible. Directron may also be held responsible for selling a product that ruined your system. If you wanted to, I'm sure you could win a suit against either or both companies. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

06-13-2002, 12:29 AM	#4
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	At either side. Was hard to tell. It had bubbled up from the heat. I assume the o-ring gave first, then the actual top. As for the lawsuit part. I'm a layed back kind of guy. I take things in stride. I have had alot of things go wrong with my projects. Granted this is severe and I didn't want to get a new motherboard until serial ata, but oh well. This gives me a reson to try the intel p4 1.6a. I havn't used an intel chip since my Gigabyte440bx, and p2 400. To this day my favorite comp. (Its what I'm on now.) My problem is not with DangerDen, its with Directron. If I can keep just one person from staying away from that company I'll be happy. Either way I reported them to the Better Business Bureau for the way I was treated. You should of heard the guy. I'm a little more upset now. Final price to replace my system is $621 dollars from new egg. Heres the link. http://www.newegg.com/app/shoppingca...ubmit=SHIPPING Other then moving my radeon up to 128 meg I'm not upgrading. True i'm buying intel this time at a faster clock, but my 1.4 did 1.65, and that was at stock voltage. It coulda been a great OC I think Last edited by DarkEdge; 06-13-2002 at 12:47 AM.

06-13-2002, 01:58 AM	#6
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	was the pump and rad fan still going? the reason why i ask is if the pump failed, the block would eventually heat up enough to melt the top of it __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-13-2002, 12:56 AM	#5
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	lol, that sux you need to find out exactly how the system failed and take steps to prevent it from happening again. if you get the 1.6a (wish there was a 1.6b ), you should be able to overclock the hell outta it; they typically do well over 2ghz.

06-13-2002, 02:31 AM	#7
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	Pump was off. Its wired to the psu via a relay. So when the cpu fried it cut off. I did turn the psu on after unhooling it from the mainboard and the pump was going full throtle like its suppose to. Thats was my first thought, and the first thing I checked.

06-13-2002, 06:48 AM	#8
V12\|V12 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio-State! <--Money Hussle! SUCKS Posts: 292	BAH! Sorry for your losses man... But one thing that I've learned a LONG time ago, was that you should make it your FIRST and foremost priority to COAT your cards and mobo with some sort of clear lacquer, enamel, etc.! That way, if anything spills, then you have no worry, but I would still be getting paper towels ASAP! It's a hassle, but worth it if it means you saving 100's of dollars in lost Hardware! I got some spray lacquer, sprayed a bunch in a beaker, then added some acetone to keep it from drying, then painted EVERYTHING with it. You can't even tell it's on there. Dried in like 10min under a lamp, and Bingo! Good luck! __________________ XP 1600+ AGOIA-Y (GreenLabel, UNLOCKED!@/ NF7-S 2.0/ PC 2700 DDR 10.5*172FSB(1806/ 1991 high), Vcore 1.792...@84.95Watts --86' Chevette Heater Core --1/2" Vinyl tubes --Via1300-Stealth Mod(QUIET!) ---Home made copper-tube block ---PVC small internal res

06-13-2002, 09:31 AM	#9
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Yeah, I'm sorry DarkEdge, but it seems like you could have taken a few precautions to limit the damage. I really feel for you though, it sucks nutz to loose a system, especially a nice one like yours. I'm not clear that the problem was the waterblock. It seems to me that it's possible that you had another leak somewhere else, which dropped the water level to where the WB overheated THEN the WB seal cooked. The Maze 3 are tested to 80 psi before shipping, so I doubt that the leak started there. As for Directron, I deal with them, but only because they're local to me. No problems yet. As for how they're handling your situation, seeing my remark above about the WB, you may be the one responsible for the system failure, and you probably didn't give them a satisfying answer as to what went wrong with the part that they sold you. Theoretically, there is no way for a Maze 3 to fail by design, but it will fail if it's not mounted properly, or if it isn't given any coolant, all of which are the users responsability. I want to say that maybe we should pressure test our rigs, before mounting them, the same way mechanics pressure test car radiators: it would help avoiding a disaster like this one. Live and learn. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-13-2002, 09:42 AM	#10
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Is there a statement of liability (or lack thereof) on Dangerden's site? I recall the Koolance cases leaking due to a design flaw and they replaced entire systems for people. That is a good bit different though; the entire system came preassembled I think and all the end user had to do was put their PC in the case. In general, no warranty is expressed or implied for watercooling stuff. Hell even core-crushing heatsinks (that Zen radiator thing) don't warranty a damaged CPU. If they did, I would be all over Vantec for the POS 6027D that they sent me to review long ago (worst episode....ever!)

06-13-2002, 11:23 AM	#11
Triton Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Union City, CA Posts: 78	How long did you perform a leak test before actually running your rig with the electronics on? Is it possible that you cracked the top during mounting? It's all tough to say. I feel bad for anyone that losses a rig. But keep looking at other possibilities other than block failure, otherwise you may be doomed to repeat history. __________________ XP1800+ Gigabyte GA-7DX 512mb Crucial 2100 watercooled with Danger Den, Eheim, 1/2" silicone tubing, and Black Ice Xtreme radiator. Liteon 24x10x40x CDRW WD80gb +30gb hard drives Liteon FS020 case and much more at http://www.jakeandkelly.com/customcomputer/index.htm

06-13-2002, 02:25 PM	#12
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	I'm never going to say it wasn't possible that it was my fault. Anything could of happened. I have had stranger things happen. I had a duron core crack on me after it sat untouched and running almost 24/7 for 3-6 months. I did a leak test for 2 days. No leaks. If there was a leak somewhere else that wouldn't explain the pool of water in my case. I checked the barb connections and they were not leaking. I had the maze 3 running for a week now. I was about to get rid of it to. I had bought a dehumidifier and was getting ready to use it as a chiller. I didn't want a poly top cause it could crack because of the cold. Maybe I missed something. Beats the hell out of me. I'm honestly not that upset, just a little ticked about the guys attitude. Either he gets a lot of that and didn't care, or he was just having a bad day. Anyways I have a spare Duron a friends loaning me to test my MB. If thats alive I'll keep that until I do some research on what motherboard/chipset to use for my 1.6a I want to get.

06-13-2002, 02:36 PM	#13
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	sorry about your loss DarkEdge but i wish i knew what had happened to your system i to am a maze3 owner and thats my reason for wondering(may save me some money in the long run) __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-13-2002, 02:43 PM	#14
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	Well since I was asleep I can only speculate. On the long sides of the block the top bubble up. Not to much either, but when you have a 700gph pump it doesn't take much to pump your res bone dry. The o-ring appeared to be intact, and was still in its groove no pysical damage. As for the hose barbs it wasnt leaking from them.

06-13-2002, 03:11 PM	#15
chazz469 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 150	Weird. I have a Maze3 as well, and now I'm a little concerned. I've heard about other problems with the acrylic tops (instead of copper). Hopefully, those (and yours) are fluke occurances. Maybe if there are too many problems, and people report them, DD will do a recall or something. Sorry about you're stuff dude.....but I like you're attitude. __________________ "I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion to the total discrediting of the world of reality" -Salvador Dali AMD XP1600+ @1790MHz and rethinking my cooling.... MAZE3 --> DD Cooler Cube --> Eheim 1048 512MB PC2700 DDR MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU 2x 20GB Maxtor in RAID 0 1x 30GB Maxtor --> WinXP GF3 Ti200 @ 240/499

06-13-2002, 03:21 PM	#16
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	It is probally just a fluke. Only problems I have seen with the maze 3's are the tops cracking. I think thats the main reason you can order them with copper tops now.

06-13-2002, 03:40 PM	#17
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	these new copper tops... how are they affixed? w/ O-ring and screws, or solder? I getting scared about my maze 3. Also, I just switched to P4, so I'm looking into WCing my new P4 chip. What to do? I don't think DDen offers copper top P4 maze3's... __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

06-13-2002, 05:07 PM	#18
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	I have no idea about the new tops. I just saw the info on there site.

06-13-2002, 05:09 PM	#19
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	All this speculation... DangerDen needs a new PR guy to set things straight. __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

06-13-2002, 06:45 PM	#20
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	yes you can get copper tops for the Maze3, in both the AMD and P4 flavors. im thinking they go on just like the clear tops (so they are removable, and not soldered).

06-13-2002, 09:07 PM	#21
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	Eeek. I think I would want soldered. If its just a bolt on top then its not really going to be anymore leak resistant. The only plus is to the fact that the top won't bubble up.

06-13-2002, 09:40 PM	#22
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	or crack...

06-14-2002, 01:23 AM	#23
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	All this bad fellings about clear top and o-rings, are totally misplaced, I have tested my tops at 3bars for 24h of air preasure on block under water and it didn't leaked, I have a lot more trouble with good top soldering, good design clear top and bolts with o-ring are 100% safe, I just don't believe that maze3 would leak at the o-ring, maybe at fittings that would somehow be screwed too little and there wasn't enough teflon tape on thread, that is the only way.

06-14-2002, 01:29 AM	#24
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	Well once again though it did not leak at the barbs. I ran it for a week and there were no leaks there. After briefly running water through it to attempt to see wtf happened the only place it was leaking was from the sides where the top bubbled up. I agree this whole ordeal is unuasual. If I was awake at the time I would be able to tell you exactly what happend. I can only speculate though. Dead Components Update: Motherboard IS dead. CPU is dead. Tested the sound card and its dead. My video card somehow IS working, at first it wasn't in my old p2-400. Put it in my fathers Dell though and it did. My seagate 30gigs are working, but my maxtor 40's won't pick up. I'm going to take them over sometime soon and see if its just my oldy comp.

06-14-2002, 10:09 AM	#25
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	The 700gph pump might be the source of what caused the problem. Because it's so powerfull, it might have started a leak. I understand that you tested the system, but pressure testing is what you needed, I think. You might be able to test your rig right now. Is the clear top still usefull, or did it melt? Can you put the block back together? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

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