Where can we buy valves like in the Swiftech systems?

Kevin · 10-09-2001, 12:29 PM

Ya know that swiftech bleed system that they show on their barebones system? That looks like a good way to fill a system w/out having a reservoir. I'm interested in implementing something like that in my Chilli Pro H2O cooling project in order to conserve some space.
-Kevin

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: Kevin ]

Joe · 10-09-2001, 01:01 PM

Kev dont link images off of outside sites please... thats a no no

Kevin · 10-09-2001, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe:
Kev dont link images off of outside sites please... thats a no no

Fixed it. Thx.

dantheman · 10-09-2001, 04:33 PM

I made one! Its really kinda easy and you can then put it wherever you want to inside of the case. I am working on putting it on the front of the case so I don't have to do anything really to change out fluids. Go to McMaster and get the parts, or your local plumbing store. You will need 3 valves, 2 Ts, and the ends to connect to your system.

Kevin · 10-09-2001, 05:31 PM

That's what I was saying... what kind of valves are they? Does McMaster carry plastic ones or just brass/steel like most of their other stuff?
-Kevin

Turbokeu · 10-10-2001, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kevin:
Ya know that swiftech bleed system that they show on their barebones system? That looks like a good way to fill a system w/out having a reservoir. I'm interested in implementing something like that in my Chilli Pro H2O cooling project in order to conserve some space.
-Kevin

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: Kevin ]

In petshops where they sell Eheim pumps you should be able to find or order plastic Eheim valves.
(see http://www.eheim.com)

I used them in my setup:

CD

[ 10-10-2001: Message edited by: Turbokeu ]

gmat · 10-10-2001, 08:47 AM

I have them in my setup as well. They're very good indeed ! No leak at all, good construction, and - like Eheim pumps - they have threaded inlets with adapters for various tubings. A bit on the expensive side though...

Kevin · 10-10-2001, 12:09 PM

I really don't have any petstores near me. I'll try www.petsmart.com or petwarehouse.com.
-Kevin

pHaestus · 10-18-2001, 01:42 PM

They definitely have these at petwarehouse:
http://www.petwarehouse.com/webstore...e?OpenDocument

They have the Eheim ones as well but you have to crosscheck the fittings on the eheim pumps to know which ones to get.

I know you already ordered your stuff at McMaster-Carr Kevin but I thought someone else might find these useful

10-23-2001, 02:00 AM

I love that resovoir... what is the brand/model#/where can I get one?

Kevin · 10-23-2001, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IronHelix:
I love that resovoir... what is the brand/model#/where can I get one?

The reservoir is awesome. Ya know why? Cuz it LOOKS like something you could buy at a store! The truth is he made it. I'm way lazy rigtht now, but if you search for his user name, you should be able to find the exact thread where he detailed how he made it.
-Kev

StarFox · 10-25-2001, 12:53 PM

The valves are all buyable at McMaster or even at Swiftech also. Or send me 10 bucks and I will sell you my unused set. 6 months ago I purchased complete Swiftech LiteOn FS020 Server Tower WaterCooled BareBones. However these "bleed and fill valves SUCK. Its a long process to fill then bleed the system. And the system is never 100% bleed out no matter how long you bleed. You can hear the air pockets in the system. After a month operating this Swiftech system I came up with something better. I have completely elminated the bleed and fill swiftech system and replaced it with a "homemade" PVC fill and self bleed reservoir. In doing so has eliminated a 1 1/2 feet of unneeded piping and really cleaned up the insides of my case. Anyone that knows anything about watercooling knows the less amount of piping the better. The shorter your system's piping is the higher the waterflow and the less chance of a failure or a waterleak.

As you can see in the first picture of my tower. The returning water enters half way into the reservoir and the pumps intake at the bottom of the pvc reservoir is always pulling pure water, any bubbles in the system rise to the top of the reservoir. Isn't gravity great? When you first fill it up and turn it on. You have to top it off a couple times because how much air the reservoir bleeds out over the first couple days. This system in use is constantly self bleeding. The 1/2" Brass plug on the top of the reservoir greatly simplfies filling the system up. No more attaching two hoses to two inlets, sticking them both into a gallon jug, making sure the gallon jug is on top of the tower. Then plugging the pump in to turn it on adjusting the two valves to fill setting... I think your getting the idea on how much of a mess Swiftech's bleed and fill system is. This reservoir is like a car, take the cap off and fill her up. You can't hear the pump running, and this inline pump/ reservoir smaller then most other watercooled systems. System lookes a lot better then having all that extra bleed and fill piping in the system too.

Last but not least. I give props to Paul Glosser for he is the original inventor of this pvc reservoir that works so well with Eheim Pumps. Here is his website and directions on how to build it. I think it cost me like 10 bucks total to build.
Thanks Paul.

heres the current specs on my system:

Asus A7V133Raid Bios 1006/FXD
WaterCooled AMD 1333C @ 1506
SwiftTech MCW462 WaterBlock
Corsair 512MB XMS150 CAS2 Ram
GeForce 2 Ultra 64 MB DDR Video Card
Unofficial 12.90 Detonator
Via 4.05 AGP 4x 133 in Turbo Mode Fast Write
3- 60 gig IBM 7200 rpm GXP HD's (180 gig)
1 is primary boot (c) / 2 - Raid-O (D)
Kenwood 72X (7 beam) cdrom (top)
TDK 16/10/40 CDRW (middle)
Digital-Doctor 5 fan/temp controller (Bottom)
LiteOn FS020 Server Tower (modified)
(6) Black Rounded Cables
Enermax 431Watt Dual Fan Pwr Supply
Klipsch 4.1 400W ThX 5 Speaker
SoundBlaster Audigy X-Gamer 5.1
5 x 11 inch radiator/ Eheim 1048 WaterPump
3-120 mm fans (2- Exh on Radiator /1 intake)
ViewSonic 21" Graphic Series G810 monitor
Razer BoomSlang 2000dpi Mouse w/ 3M Precise
Logitech WingMan Extreme USB joystick
Gravis Xterminator GamePad
RealTek 10/100 Lan Card / RoadRunner Cable Modem

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StarFox · 10-25-2001, 12:59 PM

Last but not least. I give props to Paul Glosser for he is the original inventor of this pvc reservoir that works so well with Eheim Pumps. Here is his website and directions on how to build it. I think it cost me like 10 bucks total to build.
Thanks Paul

StarFox · 10-25-2001, 01:01 PM

Picture of Pauls site doesn't want to post. Thats wierd anyways, here is the url go here.
http://dork0146.virtualave.net/page9.html

Kevin · 10-25-2001, 02:10 PM

Yah the more I have been thinking about it, the more that bleed setup just may not be worth it. However, i still haven't ruled it out. The res looks nice btw. Great job!

StarFox · 10-25-2001, 04:34 PM

I like Turbokeu's isolated reservoir quite a bit, thats an excellent idea. This has given me some ideas. All the valves, on the bottom of the case that dwarfs that pump and taking up all that space is overkill, and completely UN-Needed! You have that nice wide reservoir, just take off the cap and fill-er up I have done it half a dozen times with my system and it works perfect. Gourgeous setup, with your type of separated reservoir you can almost completely hide your pump if you simply eliminated all those valves and just put a 90 degree elbow into the return on the pump. You would eliminate like 8 to 10 fittings and might even pick up a 1 or 2 gph....... Awesome job, gourgeous work you just "over-engineered" it.

Kevin · 10-25-2001, 04:37 PM

Yah that's the one thing about Turbokeu's setup that is rather silly. Valves are not needed in addition to the reservoir. I actually like the reservoir being built into the pump idea a bit better.
-Kevin

WaterPog · 10-25-2001, 06:14 PM

that is basically what I did, I took Turbokeu's air trap, drilled and tapped a hole in the top for a pipe plug. Then I drilled a hole in the top of the case and mounted it with the "fill plug" so that I can top it off without any issues.

I really need to upload those damn pictures tonight....

10-09-2001, 12:29 PM	#1
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Where can we buy valves like in the Swiftech systems? Ya know that swiftech bleed system that they show on their barebones system? That looks like a good way to fill a system w/out having a reservoir. I'm interested in implementing something like that in my Chilli Pro H2O cooling project in order to conserve some space. -Kevin [ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: Kevin ] __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-09-2001, 01:01 PM	#2
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Kev dont link images off of outside sites please... thats a no no __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

10-09-2001, 05:31 PM	#5
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	That's what I was saying... what kind of valves are they? Does McMaster carry plastic ones or just brass/steel like most of their other stuff? -Kevin __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-10-2001, 12:09 PM	#8
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	I really don't have any petstores near me. I'll try www.petsmart.com or petwarehouse.com. -Kevin __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-18-2001, 01:42 PM	#9
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	They definitely have these at petwarehouse: http://www.petwarehouse.com/webstore...e?OpenDocument They have the Eheim ones as well but you have to crosscheck the fittings on the eheim pumps to know which ones to get. I know you already ordered your stuff at McMaster-Carr Kevin but I thought someone else might find these useful __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

10-09-2001, 04:33 PM	#4
dantheman Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 152	I made one! Its really kinda easy and you can then put it wherever you want to inside of the case. I am working on putting it on the front of the case so I don't have to do anything really to change out fluids. Go to McMaster and get the parts, or your local plumbing store. You will need 3 valves, 2 Ts, and the ends to connect to your system.

10-10-2001, 08:47 AM	#7
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	I have them in my setup as well. They're very good indeed ! No leak at all, good construction, and - like Eheim pumps - they have threaded inlets with adapters for various tubings. A bit on the expensive side though...

10-23-2001, 02:00 AM	#10
IronHelix Guest Posts: n/a	I love that resovoir... what is the brand/model#/where can I get one?

10-25-2001, 12:53 PM	#12
StarFox Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4	The valves are all buyable at McMaster or even at Swiftech also. Or send me 10 bucks and I will sell you my unused set. 6 months ago I purchased complete Swiftech LiteOn FS020 Server Tower WaterCooled BareBones. However these "bleed and fill valves SUCK. Its a long process to fill then bleed the system. And the system is never 100% bleed out no matter how long you bleed. You can hear the air pockets in the system. After a month operating this Swiftech system I came up with something better. I have completely elminated the bleed and fill swiftech system and replaced it with a "homemade" PVC fill and self bleed reservoir. In doing so has eliminated a 1 1/2 feet of unneeded piping and really cleaned up the insides of my case. Anyone that knows anything about watercooling knows the less amount of piping the better. The shorter your system's piping is the higher the waterflow and the less chance of a failure or a waterleak. As you can see in the first picture of my tower. The returning water enters half way into the reservoir and the pumps intake at the bottom of the pvc reservoir is always pulling pure water, any bubbles in the system rise to the top of the reservoir. Isn't gravity great? When you first fill it up and turn it on. You have to top it off a couple times because how much air the reservoir bleeds out over the first couple days. This system in use is constantly self bleeding. The 1/2" Brass plug on the top of the reservoir greatly simplfies filling the system up. No more attaching two hoses to two inlets, sticking them both into a gallon jug, making sure the gallon jug is on top of the tower. Then plugging the pump in to turn it on adjusting the two valves to fill setting... I think your getting the idea on how much of a mess Swiftech's bleed and fill system is. This reservoir is like a car, take the cap off and fill her up. You can't hear the pump running, and this inline pump/ reservoir smaller then most other watercooled systems. System lookes a lot better then having all that extra bleed and fill piping in the system too. Last but not least. I give props to Paul Glosser for he is the original inventor of this pvc reservoir that works so well with Eheim Pumps. Here is his website and directions on how to build it. I think it cost me like 10 bucks total to build. Thanks Paul. heres the current specs on my system: Asus A7V133Raid Bios 1006/FXD WaterCooled AMD 1333C @ 1506 SwiftTech MCW462 WaterBlock Corsair 512MB XMS150 CAS2 Ram GeForce 2 Ultra 64 MB DDR Video Card Unofficial 12.90 Detonator Via 4.05 AGP 4x 133 in Turbo Mode Fast Write 3- 60 gig IBM 7200 rpm GXP HD's (180 gig) 1 is primary boot (c) / 2 - Raid-O (D) Kenwood 72X (7 beam) cdrom (top) TDK 16/10/40 CDRW (middle) Digital-Doctor 5 fan/temp controller (Bottom) LiteOn FS020 Server Tower (modified) (6) Black Rounded Cables Enermax 431Watt Dual Fan Pwr Supply Klipsch 4.1 400W ThX 5 Speaker SoundBlaster Audigy X-Gamer 5.1 5 x 11 inch radiator/ Eheim 1048 WaterPump 3-120 mm fans (2- Exh on Radiator /1 intake) ViewSonic 21" Graphic Series G810 monitor Razer BoomSlang 2000dpi Mouse w/ 3M Precise Logitech WingMan Extreme USB joystick Gravis Xterminator GamePad RealTek 10/100 Lan Card / RoadRunner Cable Modem web page

10-25-2001, 12:59 PM	#13
StarFox Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4	Last but not least. I give props to Paul Glosser for he is the original inventor of this pvc reservoir that works so well with Eheim Pumps. Here is his website and directions on how to build it. I think it cost me like 10 bucks total to build. Thanks Paul

10-25-2001, 01:01 PM	#14
StarFox Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4	Picture of Pauls site doesn't want to post. Thats wierd anyways, here is the url go here. http://dork0146.virtualave.net/page9.html

10-25-2001, 02:10 PM	#15
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Yah the more I have been thinking about it, the more that bleed setup just may not be worth it. However, i still haven't ruled it out. The res looks nice btw. Great job! __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-25-2001, 04:34 PM	#16
StarFox Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 4	I like Turbokeu's isolated reservoir quite a bit, thats an excellent idea. This has given me some ideas. All the valves, on the bottom of the case that dwarfs that pump and taking up all that space is overkill, and completely UN-Needed! You have that nice wide reservoir, just take off the cap and fill-er up I have done it half a dozen times with my system and it works perfect. Gourgeous setup, with your type of separated reservoir you can almost completely hide your pump if you simply eliminated all those valves and just put a 90 degree elbow into the return on the pump. You would eliminate like 8 to 10 fittings and might even pick up a 1 or 2 gph....... Awesome job, gourgeous work you just "over-engineered" it.

10-25-2001, 04:37 PM	#17
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Yah that's the one thing about Turbokeu's setup that is rather silly. Valves are not needed in addition to the reservoir. I actually like the reservoir being built into the pump idea a bit better. -Kevin __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

10-25-2001, 06:14 PM	#18
WaterPog Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 50	that is basically what I did, I took Turbokeu's air trap, drilled and tapped a hole in the top for a pipe plug. Then I drilled a hole in the top of the case and mounted it with the "fill plug" so that I can top it off without any issues. I really need to upload those damn pictures tonight.... __________________ 1.4G AHYJA-Y @ 1.6G with H2O system. Ehime 1060, LiquidCool leviathan, Spir@l Block, all 1/2" It will post at 1725, that is where I want it to be stable....

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