w00t! I redid my water setup

DJ-Quack · 01-17-2003, 09:00 PM

I ditched the Chevette HC and went for a shorter but wider 92 Camaro HC. I didn't like the normal color, so I painted it black ;D.

here it is with the case opened...

I soldered some wire to the leads from where the PSU gets its AC power and hooked a molex up to them, and now the pump connects with a molex

.

and here's with the case closed up

Also, with my 8RDA+ I I'm getting 15° case temps with 25°c load on a 1900+ from MBM5 (at 1.75v)...is that right? What sensors should I be using? Winbond 2 for CPU and Winbond 1 for case temps?

jtroutma · 01-19-2003, 02:24 AM

I just have one question:

Question: How the heck do you fill that setup the way you have it, let alone how do you bleed the air out?

Looks nice and slick otherwise

DJ-Quack · 01-19-2003, 02:35 AM

Well uhm, I couldn't find a good res (all mine kept leaking, and I haven't gotten around to buying one). I don't have a fill/bleed system, so what I did was make sure there was absolutely no air in the system, shook out all the air bubbles, tilted stuff so there was only water in there. So yeah, that's how I did it

.

torchedlh · 01-21-2003, 02:48 AM

do you happen to know the part number of that heater core? because i also have an antec style case like yours and it looks like the heater core you have fits perfectly.

torchedlh · 01-21-2003, 02:53 AM

actually is this the one?
http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-453.htm

and since i'm a noob..... how exactly do you "sweat" the barbs on? do you use any solder? thanks

DJ-Quack · 01-21-2003, 04:24 AM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the one. I just went to the local auto parts store and asked for a 92 Camaro heatercore (a lot cheaper there anyway, almost half the price

). The metal tubing was hell to deal with though, I even bent some of the heatercore's fins

.

Those were poly barbs (all I could find, 1/2"x1/4" NPT barbs are hard to find

), so I couldn't solder them. I just sawed off the metal tubing as close to the tank as I could safely, and used JB Weld to keep them in place. The nice thing was that they fit in pretty tight already, so all it really took was a little bit of screwing and JB Weld to seal it (and to secure it on

). I tried JB Kwik on another heatercore, and I don't know if it was user error or what, but it didn't hold all that well (leaks galore ;[ ). If you didn't know, you can get JB Weld at a hardware or auto parts store.

One more thing, the heatercore in there is pretty tight fit, so you might have to sorta smash it in there

.

PsyKoRealm · 03-13-2003, 12:17 AM

Why did u paint it, that reduces its ability to dissapate the heat.

DJ-Quack · 03-13-2003, 12:18 AM

The inside didn't get much paint on it, just the face. It'll cool a little worse, but the difference will be negligible.

MadDogMe · 03-13-2003, 05:16 AM

Stove black heat dispersant paint is OK to use, and matt~black is 'teh bogs dollox ov 1337 k001'...

God!, I hate CS speek!...

CheeseBall · 03-14-2003, 10:16 PM

I looked into getting the 2-453 but an auto parts dude informed me it is 8 1/2" high (total) and that wouldn't fit. Also the 2-453 dosn't look like the one you have in your post. But maybe it is. How tall is your heatercore DJ-Quack? it might fit after all! Please post total dimensions.

DJ-Quack · 03-14-2003, 10:20 PM

Aw gee, no idea. It's all in my case and such. I believe it is 7.5 or 8" tall, and it's a tight squeeze like that. My Chevette HC was that 8.5" tall I believe, with the tanks, and it wouldn't fit in my current case.

UnloadeD · 03-15-2003, 07:54 AM

Nice job. About AC from your psu. I did the same, tapped into the psu switch for AC. If the psu is on, so is my pump. I also added an extra safety feature. If the pumps not plugged into the psu the computer wont turn on. Its very easy to do, you just take the green wire in psu that goes to the m/b and run it thru the 2 unused terminals on the molex like so:

If you want to run without pump plugged in, you can use a jumper or have a second molex making only the green side.

peace.
unloaded

DJ-Quack · 03-15-2003, 05:09 PM

Wow, that looks great. I think I'll try it sometime, once I can get around to re-opening my PSU and crap

.

CheeseBall · 03-15-2003, 08:11 PM

Hmm ok, but your SURE it is for the 92 Camero? I really wanted to use that one but didn't think it would fit. So right when I tell napa to order a chevette heatercore I find out it will fit. Err.

DJ-Quack · 03-16-2003, 01:20 AM

100% sure (unless the guy got me the wrong one :P). The conversation went something like this:
"Hey, you got a 92 camaro heatercore?"
"Let's see...is that with AC?"
"Uh...sure"
"Ok, it's 24.95"
"Can I see it?"
"Sure" *gets it*
"All right, I'll take it"

gaulhahn · 03-18-2003, 10:22 PM

Luv the pump safety setup UnloadeD, cheers for that! Its going to be part of my second WC setup when I ever get round to doing it!!

Oh yeah hullo to everybody here on the forums. First post here!! I usually hang at OCAU forums.

CheeseBall · 03-19-2003, 02:39 PM

Well I stoppe by NAPA and they had a 92 Camero HC. It measured 8 3/8" tall. Just abit too big for my case. It also dosn't look quite like yours but maybe that's just because of a different manufacturer? I dunno.

winewood · 03-19-2003, 03:09 PM

A late response...
goto www.svc.com and get new cables. For 11US shipped, you can eliminate that clutter, and improve your airflow to that rad. I found each cable to be 1.50 - 2.50 each. A STEAL considering Frys has them for 14 EACH. ohhhhhhh big savings. The case will look alot better and its a cheap upgrade.

DJ-Quack · 03-19-2003, 03:15 PM

I suppose, but what quality are the cables? I've read you can get data corruption if you have cheap cables that will come apart easily.

winewood · 03-19-2003, 03:39 PM

The cables realisticly are just as cheap as any ribbon cable. I am not getting errors, and frankly if you bought double the cables in case one is bad, then you will still be better off. Im just recommending trying them out. The plastic casing does slide a bit, but you can move it into position quite easily.

01-17-2003, 09:00 PM	#1
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	w00t! I redid my water setup I ditched the Chevette HC and went for a shorter but wider 92 Camaro HC. I didn't like the normal color, so I painted it black ;D. here it is with the case opened... I soldered some wire to the leads from where the PSU gets its AC power and hooked a molex up to them, and now the pump connects with a molex . and here's with the case closed up Also, with my 8RDA+ I I'm getting 15° case temps with 25°c load on a 1900+ from MBM5 (at 1.75v)...is that right? What sensors should I be using? Winbond 2 for CPU and Winbond 1 for case temps? __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

01-19-2003, 02:24 AM	#2
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	I just have one question: Question: How the heck do you fill that setup the way you have it, let alone how do you bleed the air out? Looks nice and slick otherwise __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250

01-19-2003, 02:35 AM	#3
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	Well uhm, I couldn't find a good res (all mine kept leaking, and I haven't gotten around to buying one). I don't have a fill/bleed system, so what I did was make sure there was absolutely no air in the system, shook out all the air bubbles, tilted stuff so there was only water in there. So yeah, that's how I did it . __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

01-21-2003, 04:24 AM	#6
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the one. I just went to the local auto parts store and asked for a 92 Camaro heatercore (a lot cheaper there anyway, almost half the price ). The metal tubing was hell to deal with though, I even bent some of the heatercore's fins . Those were poly barbs (all I could find, 1/2"x1/4" NPT barbs are hard to find ), so I couldn't solder them. I just sawed off the metal tubing as close to the tank as I could safely, and used JB Weld to keep them in place. The nice thing was that they fit in pretty tight already, so all it really took was a little bit of screwing and JB Weld to seal it (and to secure it on ). I tried JB Kwik on another heatercore, and I don't know if it was user error or what, but it didn't hold all that well (leaks galore ;[ ). If you didn't know, you can get JB Weld at a hardware or auto parts store. One more thing, the heatercore in there is pretty tight fit, so you might have to sorta smash it in there . __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

03-13-2003, 12:17 AM	#7
PsyKoRealm Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UC Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 38	Paint? Why did u paint it, that reduces its ability to dissapate the heat. __________________ Athlon T-Bird XP 1700+ (1.43@2.0) PURE HSF BABY!!!!!!! EPOX NForce2 EP-8RDA 256MB DDR400 300w PSU 20GIG Western Digital 40GIG Quantum Fireball MSI Gefore 4 Ti4200 @ 280 / 610 48X Lite-On @ 52X Fireware Flash 16X DVD SBLive! Value 10/100 LAN Zalman HSF

01-21-2003, 02:48 AM	#4
torchedlh Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sf, cali Posts: 18	do you happen to know the part number of that heater core? because i also have an antec style case like yours and it looks like the heater core you have fits perfectly.

01-21-2003, 02:53 AM	#5
torchedlh Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: sf, cali Posts: 18	actually is this the one? http://www.heatercore4u.com/2-453.htm and since i'm a noob..... how exactly do you "sweat" the barbs on? do you use any solder? thanks

03-13-2003, 12:18 AM	#8
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	The inside didn't get much paint on it, just the face. It'll cool a little worse, but the difference will be negligible. __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

03-13-2003, 05:16 AM	#9
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	Stove black heat dispersant paint is OK to use, and matt~black is 'teh bogs dollox ov 1337 k001'... God!, I hate CS speek!...

03-14-2003, 10:16 PM	#10
CheeseBall Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 176	I looked into getting the 2-453 but an auto parts dude informed me it is 8 1/2" high (total) and that wouldn't fit. Also the 2-453 dosn't look like the one you have in your post. But maybe it is. How tall is your heatercore DJ-Quack? it might fit after all! Please post total dimensions.

03-14-2003, 10:20 PM	#11
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	Aw gee, no idea. It's all in my case and such. I believe it is 7.5 or 8" tall, and it's a tight squeeze like that. My Chevette HC was that 8.5" tall I believe, with the tanks, and it wouldn't fit in my current case. __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

03-15-2003, 07:54 AM	#12
UnloadeD Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MidWest USA Posts: 176	Nice job. About AC from your psu. I did the same, tapped into the psu switch for AC. If the psu is on, so is my pump. I also added an extra safety feature. If the pumps not plugged into the psu the computer wont turn on. Its very easy to do, you just take the green wire in psu that goes to the m/b and run it thru the 2 unused terminals on the molex like so: If you want to run without pump plugged in, you can use a jumper or have a second molex making only the green side. peace. unloaded

03-15-2003, 05:09 PM	#13
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	Wow, that looks great. I think I'll try it sometime, once I can get around to re-opening my PSU and crap . __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

03-15-2003, 08:11 PM	#14
CheeseBall Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 176	Hmm ok, but your SURE it is for the 92 Camero? I really wanted to use that one but didn't think it would fit. So right when I tell napa to order a chevette heatercore I find out it will fit. Err.

03-16-2003, 01:20 AM	#15
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	100% sure (unless the guy got me the wrong one :P). The conversation went something like this: "Hey, you got a 92 camaro heatercore?" "Let's see...is that with AC?" "Uh...sure" "Ok, it's 24.95" "Can I see it?" "Sure" gets it "All right, I'll take it" __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

03-18-2003, 10:22 PM	#16
gaulhahn Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1	Luv the pump safety setup UnloadeD, cheers for that! Its going to be part of my second WC setup when I ever get round to doing it!! Oh yeah hullo to everybody here on the forums. First post here!! I usually hang at OCAU forums. Last edited by gaulhahn; 03-18-2003 at 10:53 PM.

03-19-2003, 02:39 PM	#17
CheeseBall Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 176	Well I stoppe by NAPA and they had a 92 Camero HC. It measured 8 3/8" tall. Just abit too big for my case. It also dosn't look quite like yours but maybe that's just because of a different manufacturer? I dunno.

03-19-2003, 03:09 PM	#18
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	A late response... goto www.svc.com and get new cables. For 11US shipped, you can eliminate that clutter, and improve your airflow to that rad. I found each cable to be 1.50 - 2.50 each. A STEAL considering Frys has them for 14 EACH. ohhhhhhh big savings. The case will look alot better and its a cheap upgrade. __________________ -winewood-

03-19-2003, 03:15 PM	#19
DJ-Quack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PCI slot 1 Posts: 43	I suppose, but what quality are the cables? I've read you can get data corruption if you have cheap cables that will come apart easily. __________________ Epox 8RDA+ Radeon 9700 Pro 256mb pc2700 Samsung, max timings Western Digital SE 80gb 16x Creative DVD-ROM 48x/12x/48x Lite On CD-RW Windows 2000 professional w00t

03-19-2003, 03:39 PM	#20
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	The cables realisticly are just as cheap as any ribbon cable. I am not getting errors, and frankly if you bought double the cables in case one is bad, then you will still be better off. Im just recommending trying them out. The plastic casing does slide a bit, but you can move it into position quite easily. __________________ -winewood-

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