no water block at all

siavash_s_s · 08-06-2003, 03:21 AM

this is probably a highly extremist way to cool , and i imagine dangerous too, (prolly better off getting a fridge for it) but why not cover the bits around the die with thin layer of glue or insulating stuff, then attach a plastic thing on top so that the water directly hits the cpu die, sorta like this

im assuming this will be a whole lot more effective then a block but i may be wrong here
any comments?

JCYC5 · 08-06-2003, 03:32 AM

Thats called "Direct Die Cooling"...

There are many threads on it around here...

siavash_s_s · 08-06-2003, 03:35 AM

right srry.... im new here
but does this offer the performance hit that it looks like it should?

Volenti · 08-06-2003, 07:53 AM

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...ghlight=direct

been there, done that, got the keyring to prove it

Phant0m51 · 08-06-2003, 08:19 AM

The problems outweigh the benefits.

Problems:

#1 If the water isn't pumping BEFORE you turn it on, the chip will mostlikely die.

#2 It will be extremely hard to get it to work properly.

#3 The 'glue' that holds the chip on there is water permeable, you'll have to find a way to insulate it from water, without retaining heat.

#4 Water running over the top of the chip will eventually erode the DIE to nothing.

Benefits:

#1 1-2* C better cooling than the best WB out there...

That's it.

siavash_s_s · 08-07-2003, 05:19 AM

ok dont do it that way.... got it
now i wanna know, if i have burned my amd 2200 like that becuase of noheatsink whatsoever (:shrug: ) will amd replace (there is arctic silver residue all over it too, i tried to mop it up with paint thinner but some still remains....) the chip or will they have a boohoo at me (this is assuming i sed it burned while working normally)

funktional · 08-07-2003, 06:30 AM

"1-2* C better cooling than the best WB out there..."

This project shows how well direct die cooling can perform:
http://www.upload.cooling-store.de/Fluidus/V1/start.htm

The best temperature difference he could reach with a commercial waterblock was 26,7°C, the best direct die cooler reached 5,7°C.

To avoid the other problems Phant0m51 mentioned i currently try this one:
http://www.wakuebau.de/index.php3?up...9&lower_cat=21

The hole in the bottom is a bit smaller than a T-Bred B die.
I applied the cooler with Silvergrease, the leak test ran for 7 days now and i didn't recognize any problems.

Ashhousewares · 08-07-2003, 09:41 AM

*Removed* And hes banned...

utabintarbo · 08-07-2003, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ashhousewares
*Removed*

A little harsh, eh?

Usually those who throw around homosexual epithets so vehemently have questions regarding their own sexuality. Is that a factor here?:shrug:

siavash_s_s · 08-08-2003, 06:29 PM

isnt there sumthing in the user agreement thing about that "language"

Administrator · 08-08-2003, 06:56 PM

No its not. We only filter one word on the forum. Using vulgarities as a personal insult though is not good. Its up to the Mods discretion on whether to allow the attacks stand or remove them based on the content and productivity of the thread.

I removed them in this case, and he’s been Banned.

siavash_s_s · 08-08-2003, 09:00 PM

excelent i wish i had the almighty power of a mod....
better leave it to stealing irc channels...

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08-06-2003, 03:21 AM	#1
siavash_s_s Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: here n there Posts: 194	no water block at all this is probably a highly extremist way to cool , and i imagine dangerous too, (prolly better off getting a fridge for it) but why not cover the bits around the die with thin layer of glue or insulating stuff, then attach a plastic thing on top so that the water directly hits the cpu die, sorta like this im assuming this will be a whole lot more effective then a block but i may be wrong here any comments? __________________ buy me a mill

08-06-2003, 03:32 AM	#2
JCYC5 Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 102	Thats called "Direct Die Cooling"... There are many threads on it around here...

08-06-2003, 03:35 AM	#3
siavash_s_s Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: here n there Posts: 194	right srry.... im new here but does this offer the performance hit that it looks like it should? __________________ buy me a mill

08-06-2003, 07:53 AM	#4
Volenti Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: in a nice cool spot Posts: 427	http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...ghlight=direct been there, done that, got the keyring to prove it __________________ feel free to icq/msn me, I'm always willing to toss around ideas.

08-06-2003, 08:19 AM	#5
Phant0m51 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 160	The problems outweigh the benefits. Problems: #1 If the water isn't pumping BEFORE you turn it on, the chip will mostlikely die. #2 It will be extremely hard to get it to work properly. #3 The 'glue' that holds the chip on there is water permeable, you'll have to find a way to insulate it from water, without retaining heat. #4 Water running over the top of the chip will eventually erode the DIE to nothing. Benefits: #1 1-2* C better cooling than the best WB out there... That's it.

08-07-2003, 06:30 AM	#7
funktional Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 17	"1-2* C better cooling than the best WB out there..." This project shows how well direct die cooling can perform: http://www.upload.cooling-store.de/Fluidus/V1/start.htm The best temperature difference he could reach with a commercial waterblock was 26,7°C, the best direct die cooler reached 5,7°C. To avoid the other problems Phant0m51 mentioned i currently try this one: http://www.wakuebau.de/index.php3?up...9&lower_cat=21 The hole in the bottom is a bit smaller than a T-Bred B die. I applied the cooler with Silvergrease, the leak test ran for 7 days now and i didn't recognize any problems.

08-07-2003, 09:41 AM	#8
Ashhousewares Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, Tx Posts: 6	Removed And hes banned...

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Administrator The Man Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 65,544	No its not. We only filter one word on the forum. Using vulgarities as a personal insult though is not good. Its up to the Mods discretion on whether to allow the attacks stand or remove them based on the content and productivity of the thread. I removed them in this case, and he’s been Banned.

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