Think my pump is strong

krisco · 10-17-2003, 05:57 PM

Im bought this kit on ebay 2 days ago for $60 Im still waiting for it to come its made by evercool http://www.evercool.com.tw/wav_02c.htm

I also want to cool my power supply and chip set and hard drive Im just wondering if I will have enough power to pump every were in my case.Im not really sure what all those number with my pump. Also Im looking to buy a handheld torch for soldering. Thanks

dogbait · 10-17-2003, 06:46 PM

70 l/h is pretty low, and it doesn't look like the pump can handle too much back pressure (think of it as a low torque pump) since the pump looks a bit small.

It will do for a cpu block, northbridge even, but nothing like a Swiftech block I'd wager. Maybe some small, low flow blocks'll do fine.

By comparison, the eheim 1046 pumps 300 l/h and that's considered a starting point, since when it's pumping through restrictions its flow becomes half or even less than that.

So you're looking at a much lower value than 70 l/h for that Evercool I'm afraid.

krisco · 10-17-2003, 07:25 PM

What do you think If I add another pump run to the other things like my power supply and harddrive. Then have the water from the pump run into my evercool and get cooled down. Think something like that would work. But My evercooled pump would just be pumping water to the cpu but cooling the water for the other pump to also.

Gooserider · 10-19-2003, 10:08 PM

I hope they kissed you, and promised to respect you in the morning before they took your money... You didn't get anything I would consider a bargain. (although the price wasn't bad as WC setups go)

As I recall the reviews I looked at when starting to investigate WC gear, that unit didn't seem to impress anyone greatly. Noise and thermal efficiency were about on a level with an OEM HSF, and the hassle factor was fairly high.

Looking at it with a bit more knowledge these days, I'm quite underwhelmed.

The pump - Wimpy is all I can say... I wouldn't try to use any sort of restrictive blocks, or add any additional blocks beyond the one that comes with it. As a comparison, your pump is rated 70 Liters per HOUR, with a 550mm (approx 20") max head. My Iwaki MD-20RT, which is only mildly overkill is rated at 30 liters per MINUTE, with a max head of 4+ METERS or 14 FEET...

The Rad - definitely small, and putting it in that fake drive unit looks to me like very likely to be bad for the airflow, plus it's just using case air to cool the rad, so you're going to need still more fans to get airflow through the case.

The block - a milled serpentine passage is a pretty lame design by modern standards. That they feel the need to have a supplemental cooling fan I think says all that is necessary about the quality of the watercooling!

They don't seem to specify the tubing size, but I suspect it is 1/4" or less, which again is only minimally adequate.

The fans - Tiny, Whiny, LOUD... Adding the noise levels of non identical fans is difficult, but I estimate that you will have about 40dBA w/ both fans on high, and 33dBA on low, PLUS the additional fans needed to get the heated air out of the case...

The res - Small capacity, as I recall the reviews also said it was difficult to fill.

My reccomendation would be to not even mess with this unit, but instead to start fresh and build a GOOD quality system using high grade parts. Any effort to use the parts from this kit is going to seriously compromise your ability to cool the system overall.

Gooserider

satanicoo · 10-20-2003, 07:05 AM

With 60 bucks you could get a Thermalright with a silent fan, cooling better, making less noise.

Better luck next time :shrug:

krisco · 10-20-2003, 11:54 AM

Well if thats the case Im just going to re-sell it and make my own kit. I allready have my cpu block figured out and my power supply cooling figured out. Im also going to get me a heat core from a car and make me some type of box that sits on top of my pc that holds my pump and cools the water plus I will have a fan controller hooked to it so I can controll the fan that blows on the heatcore.

dogbait · 10-20-2003, 04:49 PM

You should be able to recoup your costs on ebay easily I'd wager

Remember, start with a good foundation, a good pump (Iwaki is excellent if money's not a problem, otherwise eheim in my experience is also very good). The new Swiftech MCP600 pump is getting good recommendations, and seems to be a well built, powerful pump, which runs of 12v to boot. So you can run it off the PC PSU without worries. (That's what I'd get if I was starting from scratch)

CPU block you can make, or purchase for $40-50. Rad heater cores are also good and the cheapest of the three main components (pump, cpu block and rad), once you have these three main costly components then you're in business. Keep us posted on your progress.

10-17-2003, 05:57 PM	#1
krisco Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: USA, UtAH Posts: 14	Think my pump is strong Im bought this kit on ebay 2 days ago for $60 Im still waiting for it to come its made by evercool http://www.evercool.com.tw/wav_02c.htm I also want to cool my power supply and chip set and hard drive Im just wondering if I will have enough power to pump every were in my case.Im not really sure what all those number with my pump. Also Im looking to buy a handheld torch for soldering. Thanks

10-19-2003, 10:08 PM	#4
Gooserider Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Billerica, MA, USA Posts: 451	I hope they kissed you, and promised to respect you in the morning before they took your money... You didn't get anything I would consider a bargain. (although the price wasn't bad as WC setups go) As I recall the reviews I looked at when starting to investigate WC gear, that unit didn't seem to impress anyone greatly. Noise and thermal efficiency were about on a level with an OEM HSF, and the hassle factor was fairly high. Looking at it with a bit more knowledge these days, I'm quite underwhelmed. The pump - Wimpy is all I can say... I wouldn't try to use any sort of restrictive blocks, or add any additional blocks beyond the one that comes with it. As a comparison, your pump is rated 70 Liters per HOUR, with a 550mm (approx 20") max head. My Iwaki MD-20RT, which is only mildly overkill is rated at 30 liters per MINUTE, with a max head of 4+ METERS or 14 FEET... The Rad - definitely small, and putting it in that fake drive unit looks to me like very likely to be bad for the airflow, plus it's just using case air to cool the rad, so you're going to need still more fans to get airflow through the case. The block - a milled serpentine passage is a pretty lame design by modern standards. That they feel the need to have a supplemental cooling fan I think says all that is necessary about the quality of the watercooling! They don't seem to specify the tubing size, but I suspect it is 1/4" or less, which again is only minimally adequate. The fans - Tiny, Whiny, LOUD... Adding the noise levels of non identical fans is difficult, but I estimate that you will have about 40dBA w/ both fans on high, and 33dBA on low, PLUS the additional fans needed to get the heated air out of the case... The res - Small capacity, as I recall the reviews also said it was difficult to fill. My reccomendation would be to not even mess with this unit, but instead to start fresh and build a GOOD quality system using high grade parts. Any effort to use the parts from this kit is going to seriously compromise your ability to cool the system overall. Gooserider __________________ Designing system, will have Tyan S2468UGN Dual Athlon MOBO, SCSI HDDS, other goodies. Will run LINUX only. Want to have silent running, minimal fans, and water cooled. Probably not OC'c

10-17-2003, 06:46 PM	#2
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	70 l/h is pretty low, and it doesn't look like the pump can handle too much back pressure (think of it as a low torque pump) since the pump looks a bit small. It will do for a cpu block, northbridge even, but nothing like a Swiftech block I'd wager. Maybe some small, low flow blocks'll do fine. By comparison, the eheim 1046 pumps 300 l/h and that's considered a starting point, since when it's pumping through restrictions its flow becomes half or even less than that. So you're looking at a much lower value than 70 l/h for that Evercool I'm afraid.

10-17-2003, 07:25 PM	#3
krisco Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: USA, UtAH Posts: 14	What do you think If I add another pump run to the other things like my power supply and harddrive. Then have the water from the pump run into my evercool and get cooled down. Think something like that would work. But My evercooled pump would just be pumping water to the cpu but cooling the water for the other pump to also.

10-20-2003, 07:05 AM	#5
satanicoo Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: portugal Posts: 635	With 60 bucks you could get a Thermalright with a silent fan, cooling better, making less noise. Better luck next time :shrug:

10-20-2003, 11:54 AM	#6
krisco Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: USA, UtAH Posts: 14	Well if thats the case Im just going to re-sell it and make my own kit. I allready have my cpu block figured out and my power supply cooling figured out. Im also going to get me a heat core from a car and make me some type of box that sits on top of my pc that holds my pump and cools the water plus I will have a fan controller hooked to it so I can controll the fan that blows on the heatcore.

10-20-2003, 04:49 PM	#7
dogbait Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London, UK Posts: 70	You should be able to recoup your costs on ebay easily I'd wager Remember, start with a good foundation, a good pump (Iwaki is excellent if money's not a problem, otherwise eheim in my experience is also very good). The new Swiftech MCP600 pump is getting good recommendations, and seems to be a well built, powerful pump, which runs of 12v to boot. So you can run it off the PC PSU without worries. (That's what I'd get if I was starting from scratch) CPU block you can make, or purchase for $40-50. Rad heater cores are also good and the cheapest of the three main components (pump, cpu block and rad), once you have these three main costly components then you're in business. Keep us posted on your progress.

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