firearm silencers

[PlawsWorth]

I been checking around on some u.s. websites and found several that claims to sell silencers for example h&k usp. Is it really legal to sell silencers in america? What then are the rules and laws concerning thoose? Can they be buyed online from somewhere? In Sweden the only people that are allowed to own silencers are people that have a sensitive hearing or are deaf or something like that.

[Jason_The_Angry]

in america, if i am correct, you must obtain your class III federal firearms license. this involves a lot of money, time and effort. serious background checks, fingerprinting, paperwork, classes, etc etc. however, if you happen to obtain the license, you are allowed to puchace silencers, certain automatic weapons made before i believe 1985.

[Joe]

hehe Dejavu I thought I already replied to this thread

the miracle of server restores hehehe

[Blackeagle]

Jason has it right, it's a long a difficult road for those wanting a FFL III. For the most part such things are limited to military and law enforcement agencys. And the law enforcement people would have little to no use for silencers, although many such agencys do have full auto weapons for special use.

[iroc409]

lol, i'm not retyping my response.

in case you didn't read it plawsworth, you're not likely going to be able to obtain class 3 hardware from the states, at least not from your typical online gun stores. there are lots of laws on the importation and exportation of firearms, regardless of your country's legislation.

[PlawsWorth]

Originally Posted by Joe

hehe Dejavu I thought I already replied to this thread

the miracle of server restores hehehe

well I didnt looked for any replies until yesterday and then I read that the server had crashed and my post was gone...

[MadHacker]

Originally Posted by PlawsWorth

In Sweden the only people that are allowed to own silencers are people that have a sensitive hearing or are deaf or something like that.

Why would the deaf need silencers? If they are deaf they can't hear... Kinda defeats the point doen't it?

[Joe]

The simple response is:

You have no reason to own a silencer. There is no use for it that isnt evil.

Why would you need one, unless your motives are not that good in nature.

[BillA]

Originally Posted by Joe

The simple response is:

You have no reason to own a silencer. There is no use for it that isnt evil.

Why would you need one, unless your motives are not that good in nature.

ah Joe
you would suggest that there are NO people worth killing ?

the highest/lowest form of political commentary is assassination,
and the highest commitment by definition includes suicide

but the use of a silencer suggests that the desire is merely to kill and not be caught,
I too would suspect this is not for humankind's benefit

BTW, "evil" is a value judgement, not a universal truth

[Groth]

A silencer can be handy for those times when you want to kill your dinner, but don't want to startle the livestock or disturb the neighbors. And the flash suppression is good for avoiding momentary blindness when hunting at night.

[Joe]

Yeh you know what Groth people who come up with bullshit stories like that for reasons they need a silencer are pretty damn funny.

A knife does both those much better.

[Groth]

I wouldn't have earned diddly-squat during the winter when I was growing up if I had been hunting coyotes with a knife. As it was, the momentary blindness thing meant I wasted tons of time and froze my ass off trying to figure which direction they had run after being shot.

As to the disturbing the neighbors, yeah I never worried about that. Had a 2" cannon, too.

[LPorc]

Originally Posted by Jason_The_Angry

in america, if i am correct, you must obtain your class III federal firearms license.

As I understand it silencers aren't part of class III, they are even more restricted. US law considers them to be particularly evil devices. And note that legal ownership does not necessarily mean legal to use with this sort of thing, even for hunting at night surrounded by livestock you don't want to scare.

[LPorc]

Originally Posted by unregistered

ah Joe
you would suggest that there are NO people worth killing ?

the highest/lowest form of political commentary is assassination,
and the highest commitment by definition includes suicide

but the use of a silencer suggests that the desire is merely to kill and not be caught,
I too would suspect this is not for humankind's benefit

BTW, "evil" is a value judgement, not a universal truth

Yup, you're definitely an engineer...

Reminds me of a joke:

Three men, one of them an engineer, are sentenced to death by guillotine. They draw lots and the engineer is last. The executioner tests the guillotine on a melon, chopping it cleanly in two. The executioner asks the first man if he wants to be face up or face down, with or without a blindfold, he says face down, no blindfold, he figures it would be quick and clean, and he could almost pretend it wasn't happening. He's placed on the table, neck in the block. The executioner pulls the rope, and the blade shwooshes down, stopping an inch above the man's neck. He is removed from the apparatus, which is tested again with a melon, which is chopped cleanly in two. The man is freed by the presiding official, for this must surely be divine intervention!

The second man is asked if he wants to be face up or face down, and says he wants to be face up, but blindfolded so that it will be as if he has just lain down to sleep with his eye shade. He is blindfolded and placed on the table, neck in the block. The executioner pulls the cord, and the blade whooshes down, only to stop an inch from the man's neck. He is removed from the apparatus, and it is tested again with a melon, which is chopped cleanly in two. This man is also freed by the presiding official, for surely as miraculous as it may be, this must also be divine intervention.

The engineer is asked if he wants to be face up or face down, blindfolded or not. He says, "Face up, no blindfold, I want to see how this thing works!" He is placed on the table, neck in the stock. As the executioner begins to tighten the stock, the engineer suddenly exclaims, "Oh, I see why you're not getting the expected results! Since a melon is larger than a neck you don't tighten the stock as much, so it does not flex and bind the blade. Tighten it just like before, then back off a half turn and let's see what happens!"

[MadHacker]

Originally Posted by Joe

The simple response is:

You have no reason to own a silencer. There is no use for it that isnt evil.

Why would you need one, unless your motives are not that good in nature.

Other then the paradox it would cause...
And the impossibility of time travel... (for now)
Would it be evil to silently shoot Hitler?
Would that not be a good natured motive?

[#Rotor]

So what exactly then is the point of making them so illegal..... bad guys don't particularly give a hoot when it comes to being lawful in their conduct anyhow. I can't imagine them saying to themselves..." I'm bad.... but not that bad!! I will skip on using my silencer tonight "

one other thing.... since cars are by far more lethal than guns, on average. I wonder if I could argue this no silencer rule the next time a cop pulls me over..... [I'm joking OK, no really I am...]

[iroc409]

LOL, comparing guns and cars

anyways, i'm with joe. i see no reason for an individual to use a silencer. LE/military, there's plenty of uses, but i just don't see it necessary for civilians.

and there's a very, very simple way to get around the muzzle flash when hunting at night. when you pull the trigger, blink your eyes. you don't see the flash, and you can keep going.

and most silencers are still loud enough to spook nearby livestock.

[Butcher]

Rotor: on the other hand it means they can arrest someone if they catch them with a silencer rather than having to try and prove other crimes.

As for cars vs guns; cars have other uses than killing...

[Tempus]

so do guns. Its called target shooting.

[Joe]

with a silencer?! hehe I call BS.

[msv]

Being a hobby target shooter I don´t see any need for a silencer. Hell, most of the fun is the bang, the recoil and the smell of the smoke. I can alomst feel the hair grow on my chest (ever told You I´m a bit immature?).
A silencer would remove much of the fun. No noise, no muzzle flash... Boring.
regards
Mikael S.

[TerraMex]

Hell, most of the fun is the bang, the recoil and the smell of the smoke.

Sounds like some dates i had.
Brr.

[iroc409]

Originally Posted by msv

Being a hobby target shooter I don´t see any need for a silencer. Hell, most of the fun is the bang, the recoil and the smell of the smoke. I can alomst feel the hair grow on my chest (ever told You I´m a bit immature?).
A silencer would remove much of the fun. No noise, no muzzle flash... Boring.
regards
Mikael S.

ever notice if you're out shooting with someone that when firing a weapon that it's not as loud as if you're standing next to someone firing the same weapon? kinda wierd.

i think i'm investing in some nice hearing protection next time i go out. those WWII-era large caliber rifles can be incredibly loud sometimes :/

lol... but not to the point i'd want to put a silencer on a mauser or nagant <!>

if you're sport shooting somewhere that you want a silencer for it, you probably shouldn't be shooting there

[Groth]

Okay, you've all convinced me.

So...who wants to sign my petition to outlaw automobile mufflers? Cars would be a lot less dangerous and wouldn't be use for evil purposes or by evil people. Besides, half the fun of driving is the noise and the smoke. And if you're driving somewhere that you want a muffler, you probably shouldn't be driving there at all (a bicycle works better and is quiet like a knife).

[opus13]

i got mine about a year ago via my neighbor (he's licensed as resale & manufacturing) and i love it. they arent that expensive to manufacture or get licensed for. the licensing costs are the same as any other class III item, $200.00. depending on where you live, it can be quite easy. here in colorado the law enf agencies really dont care if you have it "if you ask". its the people that they dont know about that makes them uneasy.

i have found that i can maintain better groupings on the range for longer periods of time when i have it mounted. there is an obvious difference in the barrel weight of the weapon, but once accounted for it is quite easy to work with. i attribute the longevity to not as much 'chatter' going back towards my face (my receiver is padded as well) which elaves me less fatigued as the day goes on.

if you are a regular shooter of a smaller caliber (<308) i certainly recommend them for entended sessions at the range.

my 2 cents.

/edit : i can spell, i just cant type