Shuttle Watercooling returned to

DeadEye · 05-02-2004, 07:03 PM

I have been having a rethink since my first post, and have purchased a Lycor L20 and a Black Ice Micro radiator. I guess you guys are more used to these components so should maybe be easier for you this time.

I want to build my own blocks for this project if possible and would like advice on the best design to:
a) Make efficient use of the pump and rad (considering the rads small size)
b) A design that could be made mostly on a lathe would be nice, although I have milling capabilities also if required otherwise.

Also a final question, in 'air cooling' aluminium with a copper insert is used to combine the properties of the two materials, why is this not done with water cooling.

Thanks.

pHaestus · 05-02-2004, 09:56 PM

It's done in air cooling to keep weight below AMD and Intel recommended limits not for any other performance reason. This is rarely an issue with wbs (though a few people have sent me some big hunks of copper).

pdf27 · 05-03-2004, 04:01 AM

Also, Aluminium + Copper + Water = Galvanic Corrosion!

naS · 05-03-2004, 04:41 AM

mmm , most rads are out off aluminium , how can u counter the effect with the copper block ?

pippin88 · 05-03-2004, 06:54 AM

No, most rads are not aluminium. Not the ones we use anyway.

naS · 05-03-2004, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pippin88

No, most rads are not aluminium. Not the ones we use anyway.

speeking as one that rips his rad outa cars , not buying in 200$

Etacovda · 05-03-2004, 08:12 AM

Most people around here do rip them out of cars, and im yet to pull one that isn't copper ( i have 5 of them

)

SlaterSpeed · 05-03-2004, 08:36 AM

99% of them are alu here in europe. Its very hard to find a good copper heatercore.

As for a block that can be made on a lathe try serching for the block used with the zalman resorator or what ever that thing is called. IIRC thats a ok design for low flow and can be made on a lathe.

arterius · 05-03-2004, 11:19 AM

Ebay is the place you can easily get some copper heatercores in Europe. I just moved from a radiator to a heatercore and I am truly impressed with its performance. I get most of my heatercores for 15 Euro + shipping in Germany.

DeadEye · 05-03-2004, 11:32 AM

Thanks for replies so far, I will go with a copper design and have a few ideas in mind. A couple of questions again though.

Firstly it is fairly clear from a lot of the designs here that fairly thin bases of 1-2mm is common at the point directly above the die. However what about the mass of the block, is there any benefit (either way) of having less or more copper in the block.

Secondly, with the above in mind and also the use of a smaller radiator that the Shuttle design limits, would there be any advantage in any access copper being machined into fine deep fins to give it some air assistance to cooling. Rather like an air cooled cylinder of a motorcycle or model aircraft engine.

Finally is there any free or demo CAD systems that can be downloaded to use for the designing, or I will have to do some basic ideas in Paintshop Pro.

Thanks again

SlaterSpeed · 05-03-2004, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadEye

Secondly, with the above in mind and also the use of a smaller radiator that the Shuttle design limits, would there be any advantage in any access copper being machined into fine deep fins to give it some air assistance to cooling. Rather like an air cooled cylinder of a motorcycle or model aircraft engine.

I like the idea. It cant be bad can it

05-02-2004, 07:03 PM	#1
DeadEye Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Nr Oxford, UK Posts: 41	Shuttle Watercooling returned to I have been having a rethink since my first post, and have purchased a Lycor L20 and a Black Ice Micro radiator. I guess you guys are more used to these components so should maybe be easier for you this time. I want to build my own blocks for this project if possible and would like advice on the best design to: a) Make efficient use of the pump and rad (considering the rads small size) b) A design that could be made mostly on a lathe would be nice, although I have milling capabilities also if required otherwise. Also a final question, in 'air cooling' aluminium with a copper insert is used to combine the properties of the two materials, why is this not done with water cooling. Thanks.

05-02-2004, 09:56 PM	#2
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	It's done in air cooling to keep weight below AMD and Intel recommended limits not for any other performance reason. This is rarely an issue with wbs (though a few people have sent me some big hunks of copper). __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

05-03-2004, 04:01 AM	#3
pdf27 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Horsham, UK Posts: 140	Also, Aluminium + Copper + Water = Galvanic Corrosion! __________________ Member of the paramilitary wing of CAMRA

05-03-2004, 08:36 AM	#8
SlaterSpeed Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 234	99% of them are alu here in europe. Its very hard to find a good copper heatercore. As for a block that can be made on a lathe try serching for the block used with the zalman resorator or what ever that thing is called. IIRC thats a ok design for low flow and can be made on a lathe. __________________ aka. slater3333uk - The self proclaimed 'Middle Player' 'Liquified'

05-03-2004, 04:41 AM	#4
naS Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: israel Posts: 63	mmm , most rads are out off aluminium , how can u counter the effect with the copper block ?

05-03-2004, 06:54 AM	#5
pippin88 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 285	No, most rads are not aluminium. Not the ones we use anyway.

05-03-2004, 08:12 AM	#7
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	Most people around here do rip them out of cars, and im yet to pull one that isn't copper ( i have 5 of them )

05-03-2004, 11:19 AM	#9
arterius Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: europe Posts: 18	Ebay is the place you can easily get some copper heatercores in Europe. I just moved from a radiator to a heatercore and I am truly impressed with its performance. I get most of my heatercores for 15 Euro + shipping in Germany.

05-03-2004, 11:32 AM	#10
DeadEye Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Nr Oxford, UK Posts: 41	Thanks for replies so far, I will go with a copper design and have a few ideas in mind. A couple of questions again though. Firstly it is fairly clear from a lot of the designs here that fairly thin bases of 1-2mm is common at the point directly above the die. However what about the mass of the block, is there any benefit (either way) of having less or more copper in the block. Secondly, with the above in mind and also the use of a smaller radiator that the Shuttle design limits, would there be any advantage in any access copper being machined into fine deep fins to give it some air assistance to cooling. Rather like an air cooled cylinder of a motorcycle or model aircraft engine. Finally is there any free or demo CAD systems that can be downloaded to use for the designing, or I will have to do some basic ideas in Paintshop Pro. Thanks again

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