How's about this for "Heath Robinson" ?

mrbingley · 11-06-2002, 07:01 AM

I've made this external rad & res to mount on my Lian-Li 7 case, not a lot of room in these cases.
I didn't want to remove the hard drive caddy from the case because I have 4 drives in there. So the only thing that will be in the case is the waterblock & the pump.
I've designed it so that 2 X 80mm fans inside the case will hopefully cool the rad OK.
The long pipe is the "res" & I've got a water chiller with something similar to a kettle element made from brake pipe that I will be able to drop inside the res in summer if I feel I need a bit of extra cooling.
It looks a bit weird & maybe there's too many bends but I'm hoping it's going to do the job OK.

Cheers
Chris.

g.l.amour · 11-06-2002, 07:22 AM

judging the size from the chair its standing against, it looks way bigger that it is in reality. it might not even look that ghetto when mounted at the back of your case. might not get too stellar cooling out of it though.

post some pics of the finished product, u got me curious.

mrbingley · 11-06-2002, 11:04 AM

Will do g.l.amour.
The "res" is 18 inches tall and is made from 28mm copper tubing, on the top I'm putting a "stop-end compression fitting", in case I need to move the case I'll only need to tighten this up and it will be a completely sealed unit. The shroud I made from brass, so with everything outside the case being made from either copper or brass his should help a bit in assisting the fans by dispersing the heat to the air.
The system I have at the moment has a "Land Rover" heater core, which is mounted outside the case in its original car box. with pump & res attached.
The biggest limiting factor that hits me with temps is the size of the room my PCs are in which measures 9' X 9', so doesn't take too long to warm up.

Cheers
Chris.

nexxo · 11-06-2002, 12:59 PM

Actually, it sort of looks pretty well engineered. Polish that copper and it will look rather good. Not so much Heath-Robinson as Isambard Brunel.

mrbingley · 11-08-2002, 07:16 AM

nexco

I take that compliment with great pride, I've voted for Isambard in the "Great Briton" prog on the telly.

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-09-2002, 04:33 AM

How come you have the res 'divorced' from the HC?, I see only one in/outlet on the res as well, how will it curculate/work?. any reason for not joining rad to res?...

mrbingley · 11-09-2002, 07:19 AM

"MadDogMe"
Yes sorry for how it looks, I was in rush to get a picture up. The inlet (which I've just soldered in) to the res is level with the top of the shroud.
So the order is "bottom outlet of res - - pump inlet - - pump outlet - - inlet pipe of rad - - outlet pipe of rad - - waterblock inlet - - waterblock outlet - - top inlet of res". The water will circulate upwards in the rad to try and eliminate any air blockages & with the rad opening up to 18mm cross pipes & 15mm vertical pipes will slow the circulation slightly to allow the fans to extract a bit more heat.
I hope that makes it a bit clearer. I'm hoping to install it this weekend, so will post some pictures when I've done it.

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-09-2002, 07:29 AM

Quote:

pipes will slow the circulation slightly to allow the fans to extract a bit more heat.

It does'nt work like that, I thought it did to, but rads need flow exactly like a block does, to transfer heat from water to rad~Cu properly. have you read BillAs rad roundup at overclockers.com?, very enlightening. 2.5GPM is 'optimum' (ballpark figure) for rads...

nexxo · 11-10-2002, 02:41 PM

@ Mrbingley: yeah, good ol' Isambard kicked some serious ass!

mrbingley · 11-11-2002, 04:55 PM

I've installed the new system ( not without mishap, splashed some water in the case and screwed my IDE controller card, thought I'd dried it out properly

).
The temps show a CPU temp increase of about 5C, which I more or less expected. But the strange thing is the system temp, which has gone down by about 4C, which seems odd as the pump is now inside the case and is generating more heat.
This leads me to believe the rad is not up to the job, but for a fiver it was worth the try.
I'm thinking of investing in a "Black Ice Pro", which shouldn't need too much alteration to make it fit my existing setup. I'll fabricate another shroud to suit.
I'll post some pics of what I've done shortly.

Cheers
Chris.

bigben2k · 11-11-2002, 05:01 PM

Too bad. Note to self: stay away from the Land Rover HCs!

I wouldn't go to the expense of a BI just yet. You've come such a long way, now find a good heatercore, and get even better results than a BI would give ya!

Hop to it man!

mrbingley · 11-11-2002, 05:30 PM

" bigben2k "
Thanks for replying.

The new setup didn't include the "Land Rover" heatercore ( which was fine, but too big to hang on the case ), but a motorbike cooler which I suppose I really knew was too small and not the proper configuration. 2 X 18mm cross pipes & 3 X 15mm vertical pipes, I think the water is going through the rad too quickly for any real heat extraction to take place. I suppose at 60mph + on a bike it gets plenty of air to extract the heat

.

As far as the BIP is concerned, it just seems about the right size and with it being more or less just a smaller version of proper heatercore maybe it should be OK.
All heatercores I've looked at are far too big for my aim of having the whole assembly attached to or inside my case.

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-12-2002, 04:42 AM

The Abyss is the same size (2x120mm fans) but twice as thick. costs £65 available in the UK from OverclockedPC.co.uk (OCPC) . it's big enough that you'd need minimal airflow going over it for respectable cooling. I got the little Sister 'The Deep' on the way cause I could'nt fit an Abyss incase without major restructuring

(WTX ideal!), same with the car HC I have now...

PS, water flowing slower through the rad really does'nt work like you(and Me!)'d think it does. check out BillA's (AKA unregistered) article for the truth, notice performance increase on graphs as flow is increased...

mrbingley · 11-12-2002, 06:19 AM

"MadDogMe"
I think you mean the "The Deep" model, which seems to be about the same width X height, but as you say twice as deep.
Looks very good and would only cost me about another £9 over the "Black Ice Pro".
I think it's the rad which is the stumbling block at the moment, because I'm here with case temps of 28C and CPU temp of 41C.
With the previous setup I had case temps of 32C and CPU temps of 37C. So I think with the proper rad I should be on my way to getting it about right.
Blowing air through at the moment are 2 X cheapo 80mm fans which must be responsible for the reduction in case temps, but the rad is borking the job by not releasing the heat effectively.
I think I'll give it another week to let the system bed in, but will probably get one of those "The Deep" rads, so that I'm ready for next summer

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-12-2002, 08:40 AM

I thought the black ice was the first one they made, the 1x120mm fan one, then the BIP (bip

) was the big one? 2x120mm fan?, then the BIX was the 1x120 but double thickness, there's a BIX(2?,extreme~extreme??

) that's like the Abyss for size out now I've heard, but I've not seen it yet...

Would the Abyss not fit?, if I could fit it I'd go with it in a shot!!

...

The Deep fits perfectly at the front bottom of the case drawing cool air in, quiet as well with a 120mm @ 7Volt

. seems a shame after the work you've done though, if you're gonna put it out side still I'd go Abyss with 120mm or 92mm fans drawing cool air in, and have a 120mm as a blowhole at 7V or tweaked down slightly with a variable resistor...

mrbingley · 11-12-2002, 09:13 AM

I've ordered a "Deep" rad and my thinking is now going along the lines of keeping the watercooling setup as is with case and moving my other PC's innards into it, a Pent III 1GHZ which doesn't need as much cooling as my Athlon 2000+. Then bringing back into use my full tower case so that everything should fit completely inside.
I'm in the process of making another waterblock similar to the last one, so I should need just some more tubing and a few fittings and of course another pump.
What set off as an exercise in seeing how ("cheaply") I could make my own watercooling system is rapidly eating up funds

Anyways I'm enjoying myself

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-12-2002, 09:45 AM

What kindof block is it?, did you post about it before?(pics?)...

You could/should still put the biggest fans you can fit blowing onto the luverly Cu rad/res setup, 92's for sure, 120's for best

. 80mm don't blow much at the best of times, let alone warm case air!. have you got a big/decent fan blowing into the case as well?...

big fans, but nice and quiet, I'm gonna play with my two 120mm YSTechs when they arrive to see if 7V or Variable resistors give the best noise~perfomance ratio. I don't mind the noise of air rushing through the rad, cause it's deep and soothing. it's whirry fan noise I hate. if I had my own house I'd do what BladeRunner has done and bury a giant res, maybe put a passive huge rad on the return line though, depends what kind of 24/7 water temps he gets...

Maybe make it (the res) out of Cu and have the mains water supply flowing around it in a giant water jacket!!

...

mrbingley · 11-12-2002, 10:36 AM

"MadDogMe"
The block is one I made myself, it's tapped for 1/4" BSP with the inlet in the centre then works its way round in a sort of square spiral, about 14mm deep and 10mm wide.
I've got a couple of 120mm fans which I used on the "Land Rover" setup. All the fans in the setup are controlled by rheostats, I bought one of those 5 1/4" bay models from Kustom PCs, works a treat with controlling the fans speeds, can have them right down till they're nearly stalling.
If I decide to go ahead and re-use my tower case I can make shrouds and have 2 X 120mm fans in a push-pull formation all inside the case, obviously with the air venting out of the case. There'll even be enough room to make a new res and have the filler poking through the back near the very top of the case.
So I'll have the pump at the bottom of the case and the res and rad at the top.

Cheers
Chris.

mrbingley · 11-15-2002, 06:18 AM

Just a few pics of the finished setup.
The rad has not been a success I'm afraid, so now I'm just waiting for the "Abyss Deep" rad to arrive before I strip it down and start again.

Cheers
Chris.

MadDogMe · 11-15-2002, 08:01 AM

I don't like the look of it now it's fitted to be brutaly honest

. It looked like it had something going for it as a component, but fitted it looks..., odd?. Have you seen the 'old' tube res that OCPC used to do?. I think it looked better than the new version. something like that would be an idea if you absolutly MUST have a reservoir. I prefer the idea of a closedloop with a fillpoint/airtrap combined...

I tried to order a Deep but they were out of stock :shrug: , so I'm revising my options while I have the chance. I still wish I could fit an Abyss in my rig, but for the work it'd take I could put my 19x22 (without barbs) Cu HeaterCore in there. I like the deep/abyss low pressure drop though. heater cores are restrictive from what I've gleened...

11-06-2002, 11:04 AM	#3
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	Will do g.l.amour. The "res" is 18 inches tall and is made from 28mm copper tubing, on the top I'm putting a "stop-end compression fitting", in case I need to move the case I'll only need to tighten this up and it will be a completely sealed unit. The shroud I made from brass, so with everything outside the case being made from either copper or brass his should help a bit in assisting the fans by dispersing the heat to the air. The system I have at the moment has a "Land Rover" heater core, which is mounted outside the case in its original car box. with pump & res attached. The biggest limiting factor that hits me with temps is the size of the room my PCs are in which measures 9' X 9', so doesn't take too long to warm up. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-06-2002, 12:59 PM	#4
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	Actually, it sort of looks pretty well engineered. Polish that copper and it will look rather good. Not so much Heath-Robinson as Isambard Brunel. __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

11-08-2002, 07:16 AM	#5
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	nexco I take that compliment with great pride, I've voted for Isambard in the "Great Briton" prog on the telly. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-09-2002, 07:19 AM	#7
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	"MadDogMe" Yes sorry for how it looks, I was in rush to get a picture up. The inlet (which I've just soldered in) to the res is level with the top of the shroud. So the order is "bottom outlet of res - - pump inlet - - pump outlet - - inlet pipe of rad - - outlet pipe of rad - - waterblock inlet - - waterblock outlet - - top inlet of res". The water will circulate upwards in the rad to try and eliminate any air blockages & with the rad opening up to 18mm cross pipes & 15mm vertical pipes will slow the circulation slightly to allow the fans to extract a bit more heat. I hope that makes it a bit clearer. I'm hoping to install it this weekend, so will post some pictures when I've done it. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-10-2002, 02:41 PM	#9
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	@ Mrbingley: yeah, good ol' Isambard kicked some serious ass! __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

11-06-2002, 07:22 AM	#2
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	judging the size from the chair its standing against, it looks way bigger that it is in reality. it might not even look that ghetto when mounted at the back of your case. might not get too stellar cooling out of it though. post some pics of the finished product, u got me curious.

11-09-2002, 04:33 AM	#6
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	How come you have the res 'divorced' from the HC?, I see only one in/outlet on the res as well, how will it curculate/work?. any reason for not joining rad to res?...

11-11-2002, 04:55 PM	#10
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	I've installed the new system ( not without mishap, splashed some water in the case and screwed my IDE controller card, thought I'd dried it out properly ). The temps show a CPU temp increase of about 5C, which I more or less expected. But the strange thing is the system temp, which has gone down by about 4C, which seems odd as the pump is now inside the case and is generating more heat. This leads me to believe the rad is not up to the job, but for a fiver it was worth the try. I'm thinking of investing in a "Black Ice Pro", which shouldn't need too much alteration to make it fit my existing setup. I'll fabricate another shroud to suit. I'll post some pics of what I've done shortly. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-11-2002, 05:01 PM	#11
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Too bad. Note to self: stay away from the Land Rover HCs! I wouldn't go to the expense of a BI just yet. You've come such a long way, now find a good heatercore, and get even better results than a BI would give ya! Hop to it man! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

11-11-2002, 05:30 PM	#12
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	" bigben2k " Thanks for replying. The new setup didn't include the "Land Rover" heatercore ( which was fine, but too big to hang on the case ), but a motorbike cooler which I suppose I really knew was too small and not the proper configuration. 2 X 18mm cross pipes & 3 X 15mm vertical pipes, I think the water is going through the rad too quickly for any real heat extraction to take place. I suppose at 60mph + on a bike it gets plenty of air to extract the heat . As far as the BIP is concerned, it just seems about the right size and with it being more or less just a smaller version of proper heatercore maybe it should be OK. All heatercores I've looked at are far too big for my aim of having the whole assembly attached to or inside my case. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-12-2002, 04:42 AM	#13
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	The Abyss is the same size (2x120mm fans) but twice as thick. costs £65 available in the UK from OverclockedPC.co.uk (OCPC) . it's big enough that you'd need minimal airflow going over it for respectable cooling. I got the little Sister 'The Deep' on the way cause I could'nt fit an Abyss incase without major restructuring (WTX ideal!), same with the car HC I have now... PS, water flowing slower through the rad really does'nt work like you(and Me!)'d think it does. check out BillA's (AKA unregistered) article for the truth, notice performance increase on graphs as flow is increased...

11-12-2002, 06:19 AM	#14
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	"MadDogMe" I think you mean the "The Deep" model, which seems to be about the same width X height, but as you say twice as deep. Looks very good and would only cost me about another £9 over the "Black Ice Pro". I think it's the rad which is the stumbling block at the moment, because I'm here with case temps of 28C and CPU temp of 41C. With the previous setup I had case temps of 32C and CPU temps of 37C. So I think with the proper rad I should be on my way to getting it about right. Blowing air through at the moment are 2 X cheapo 80mm fans which must be responsible for the reduction in case temps, but the rad is borking the job by not releasing the heat effectively. I think I'll give it another week to let the system bed in, but will probably get one of those "The Deep" rads, so that I'm ready for next summer Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-12-2002, 08:40 AM	#15
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	I thought the black ice was the first one they made, the 1x120mm fan one, then the BIP (bip ) was the big one? 2x120mm fan?, then the BIX was the 1x120 but double thickness, there's a BIX(2?,extreme~extreme?? ) that's like the Abyss for size out now I've heard, but I've not seen it yet... Would the Abyss not fit?, if I could fit it I'd go with it in a shot!! ... The Deep fits perfectly at the front bottom of the case drawing cool air in, quiet as well with a 120mm @ 7Volt . seems a shame after the work you've done though, if you're gonna put it out side still I'd go Abyss with 120mm or 92mm fans drawing cool air in, and have a 120mm as a blowhole at 7V or tweaked down slightly with a variable resistor...

11-12-2002, 09:13 AM	#16
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	I've ordered a "Deep" rad and my thinking is now going along the lines of keeping the watercooling setup as is with case and moving my other PC's innards into it, a Pent III 1GHZ which doesn't need as much cooling as my Athlon 2000+. Then bringing back into use my full tower case so that everything should fit completely inside. I'm in the process of making another waterblock similar to the last one, so I should need just some more tubing and a few fittings and of course another pump. What set off as an exercise in seeing how ("cheaply") I could make my own watercooling system is rapidly eating up funds Anyways I'm enjoying myself Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-12-2002, 09:45 AM	#17
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	What kindof block is it?, did you post about it before?(pics?)... You could/should still put the biggest fans you can fit blowing onto the luverly Cu rad/res setup, 92's for sure, 120's for best . 80mm don't blow much at the best of times, let alone warm case air!. have you got a big/decent fan blowing into the case as well?... big fans, but nice and quiet, I'm gonna play with my two 120mm YSTechs when they arrive to see if 7V or Variable resistors give the best noise~perfomance ratio. I don't mind the noise of air rushing through the rad, cause it's deep and soothing. it's whirry fan noise I hate. if I had my own house I'd do what BladeRunner has done and bury a giant res, maybe put a passive huge rad on the return line though, depends what kind of 24/7 water temps he gets... Maybe make it (the res) out of Cu and have the mains water supply flowing around it in a giant water jacket!! ...

11-12-2002, 10:36 AM	#18
mrbingley Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: West Yorkshire. UK. Posts: 39	"MadDogMe" The block is one I made myself, it's tapped for 1/4" BSP with the inlet in the centre then works its way round in a sort of square spiral, about 14mm deep and 10mm wide. I've got a couple of 120mm fans which I used on the "Land Rover" setup. All the fans in the setup are controlled by rheostats, I bought one of those 5 1/4" bay models from Kustom PCs, works a treat with controlling the fans speeds, can have them right down till they're nearly stalling. If I decide to go ahead and re-use my tower case I can make shrouds and have 2 X 120mm fans in a push-pull formation all inside the case, obviously with the air venting out of the case. There'll even be enough room to make a new res and have the filler poking through the back near the very top of the case. So I'll have the pump at the bottom of the case and the res and rad at the top. Cheers Chris. __________________ Epox 8K3A+ Athlon XP 2000+ 256 MB generic RAM GF2 MX twinview Home made water cooling setup

11-15-2002, 08:01 AM	#20
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	I don't like the look of it now it's fitted to be brutaly honest . It looked like it had something going for it as a component, but fitted it looks..., odd?. Have you seen the 'old' tube res that OCPC used to do?. I think it looked better than the new version. something like that would be an idea if you absolutly MUST have a reservoir. I prefer the idea of a closedloop with a fillpoint/airtrap combined... I tried to order a Deep but they were out of stock :shrug: , so I'm revising my options while I have the chance. I still wish I could fit an Abyss in my rig, but for the work it'd take I could put my 19x22 (without barbs) Cu HeaterCore in there. I like the deep/abyss low pressure drop though. heater cores are restrictive from what I've gleened...

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)