New stuff from Swiftech.

jaydee · 08-23-2003, 10:44 AM

http://www.swiftnets.com/Media/8-21-03.htm

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Introducing the MCW5002™ series of water-blocks with 1/2" barb fittings"..designed for extreme microprocessor cooling applications, and maximum flow rate, where 1/2" ID (5/8" OD) tubing is desired. Available for AMD®, Intel® Pentium® 4, Xeon™ , and in thermoelectric version for Intel® Pentium® 4

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http://www.swiftnets.com/Media/8-15-03.htm

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Introducing Swiftech's new FBK525™ fill-and-bleed kit. This product will complement the upcoming public release of our new MCP600™ 12 v dc pump.

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http://www.swiftnets.com/Media/8-15-03-2.htm

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We are proud and excited to introduce our new MCP600™ pump. This is the first industrial 12 Volts DC pump to be offered to the computer industry.

bigben2k · 08-23-2003, 12:25 PM

That looks like a much better pump. The MCP300 I believe may have lacked in reliability/durability.

But I'm not convinced that the did the electrical work required to prevents spikes and power reversals from hitting the PSU, like we did for the Johnson pump. Buyer beware!

Also, with a dead head (TDH?) of 2.2 meters, it's definitely comparable to an Eheim 1250's 2.0 meters, but what's the flow rate?

Since87 · 08-23-2003, 12:44 PM

Definitely impressive specs for the pump.

Quote:

Maintenance free brushless motor, with 2 year warranty

A brushless motor won't produce the spikes that the Johnson pump does.

pHaestus · 08-23-2003, 12:49 PM

I like all of this stuff. No mention of a new radiator though (still going with the BI micro in their kits?) I need to bug Bill for a full kit to play with I guess

BillA · 08-23-2003, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
. . . .
But I'm not convinced that the did the electrical work required to prevents spikes and power reversals from hitting the PSU, like we did for the Johnson pump. Buyer beware!
. . . .

readers beware !
Ben is posting his FOOLish thoughts and speculations

if you have a question -> ask it
do you now see how stupid that statement was ?
more reading, less posting Ben

lots of info on the pump here

pHaestus · 08-23-2003, 01:07 PM

Direct link to OCAU thread (complete with some performance figures from Bill/Swiftech):

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...hreadid=198781

joemac · 08-23-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally quoted by bigben2k
But I'm not convinced that the(y) did the electrical work required to prevents spikes and power reversals from hitting the PSU, like we did for the Johnson pump.

If the pump has a brushless motor then there is no need to worry about voltage spikes. That is a nice pump and can’t help but wonder where is it that they are getting it from.

winewood · 08-23-2003, 03:24 PM

Good looking pump. If the price is right and my block benifits, I would like to test one out.
BigBen2k, I think its perfectly understandable and acceptable to be skeptical. Ignorance of a product that is not for sale and openly analyzed is understandable. Foolishness is when your are faced with facts and ignore the truth. I don't think that word applies.

Good question: Are these custom made or repackaged and resold?

babyeater · 08-23-2003, 04:02 PM

As i only have a hotmail e-mail a/c i can't register for ocau and hence view the posts there.
Could someone please post the performance of this pump here.
As it only uses 7 watts and has a max head of 2.2Meters which seems very good. Thats half the wattage of my maxijet with an extra .7 meters head .
It also seems nice and compact which is another bonus for me.

pHaestus · 08-23-2003, 04:27 PM

Bill:

Feel free to threaten me with lawsuits if dissatisfied with the following:

Also see

http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/atta...=&postid=29732

BillA · 08-23-2003, 04:46 PM

here is the 1/2" data

note the shortfall of the 2 Eheim pumps
reality hurts

babyeater · 08-24-2003, 08:01 AM

Thats for the info men.

pHaestus · 08-24-2003, 01:05 PM

Bill did you generate that P-Q curve yourself? If so, what is the method you use to do so? I should give that a go with the pumps I have around the casa.

BillA · 08-24-2003, 01:35 PM

no, that is from the mfgrs data
I have verified it at 2 flow rates by summing the flow resistances of the system components to predict the flow rate and it seems accurate (±5% ?)
- but really accurate values are needed for each item

next time I have it on I'll measure the deadhead pressure (the easy part)

what you need is to generate a head loss curve for your flow meter,
then put that as directly as possible on the pump discharge after your throttling valve - set horizontally
now read the pressure across the pump inlet and outlet and correct for your meter
hmm, I think you'll need the pressure drop across the valve also

winewood · 08-24-2003, 01:49 PM

Quote:

no, that is from the mfgrs data

so the swiftech pumps are not custom made, but a resold pump w/ swiftys name and color scheme. Its not a custom change, or the mfgrs data wouldnt apply. The million dollar question.. whos is it? Did swifty also add the foam to the bottom of it? (that is foam on the bottom isnt it?)

BrianW · 08-24-2003, 01:52 PM

I only wish they would offer a chipset tec block. That would be neat.

Bill. how does it compare, noise wise, to the eheim 1250? That is the only pump I have heard, or not heard ever since I mounted it suspended from rubber bicycle tube.

BrianW

BillA · 08-24-2003, 02:21 PM

BrianW

in a couple of weeks or so (??), ck new product announcements
Eheim is better for no noise, but lower pressure/flow capability

BrianW · 08-24-2003, 02:29 PM

Nice, that was the only thing holding me back from running all three blocks tec. Thanks, I will wait.

BrianW

satanicoo · 08-24-2003, 02:42 PM

Can this pump run inline?
--> "Anyway iwakis are still better right?"

EDIT: Stupid question. Ignore it.

BrianW · 08-24-2003, 03:05 PM

Better is way too broad. You need to know what you need or require to know what is better for you.

BrianW

Blackeagle · 08-24-2003, 04:06 PM

Nice to have you drop in Bill.

Some nice looking blocks there. The lower to the base cap for higher velocity in the blocks is real nice along with the large barbs to allow the least head loss.

Is the base's cooling surface the same diamond pattern as that used in the 5000?

And are you free to post further charts and figures on the performance curve & C/W?

Again, great to see you stop in!

BillA · 08-24-2003, 04:40 PM

same baseplate, changed top
- do you not recall the question you asked back in that old thread ?

the 3 relevant graphs are on the Swistech site under MCW5002
but the only things I will post are new product graphs once they have been announced

LOTS to come in the weeks ahead

BrianW · 08-25-2003, 01:08 AM

Any hope for an AMD tec variant?

BrianW

08-23-2003, 12:25 PM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	That looks like a much better pump. The MCP300 I believe may have lacked in reliability/durability. But I'm not convinced that the did the electrical work required to prevents spikes and power reversals from hitting the PSU, like we did for the Johnson pump. Buyer beware! Also, with a dead head (TDH?) of 2.2 meters, it's definitely comparable to an Eheim 1250's 2.0 meters, but what's the flow rate? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

08-23-2003, 03:24 PM	#8
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	Good looking pump. If the price is right and my block benifits, I would like to test one out. BigBen2k, I think its perfectly understandable and acceptable to be skeptical. Ignorance of a product that is not for sale and openly analyzed is understandable. Foolishness is when your are faced with facts and ignore the truth. I don't think that word applies. Good question: Are these custom made or repackaged and resold? __________________ -winewood-

08-24-2003, 01:52 PM	#16
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	I only wish they would offer a chipset tec block. That would be neat. Bill. how does it compare, noise wise, to the eheim 1250? That is the only pump I have heard, or not heard ever since I mounted it suspended from rubber bicycle tube. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg) Last edited by BrianW; 08-24-2003 at 01:57 PM.*

08-24-2003, 02:29 PM	#18
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Nice, that was the only thing holding me back from running all three blocks tec. Thanks, I will wait. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

08-24-2003, 02:42 PM	#19
satanicoo Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: portugal Posts: 635	Can this pump run inline? --> "Anyway iwakis are still better right?" EDIT: Stupid question. Ignore it. Last edited by satanicoo; 08-24-2003 at 03:11 PM.

08-23-2003, 12:49 PM	#4
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I like all of this stuff. No mention of a new radiator though (still going with the BI micro in their kits?) I need to bug Bill for a full kit to play with I guess

08-23-2003, 01:07 PM	#6
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Direct link to OCAU thread (complete with some performance figures from Bill/Swiftech): http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...hreadid=198781

08-23-2003, 04:02 PM	#9
babyeater Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 42	As i only have a hotmail e-mail a/c i can't register for ocau and hence view the posts there. Could someone please post the performance of this pump here. As it only uses 7 watts and has a max head of 2.2Meters which seems very good. Thats half the wattage of my maxijet with an extra .7 meters head . It also seems nice and compact which is another bonus for me.

08-23-2003, 04:27 PM	#10
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Bill: Feel free to threaten me with lawsuits if dissatisfied with the following: Also see http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Forums/atta...=&postid=29732

08-23-2003, 04:46 PM	#11
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	here is the 1/2" data note the shortfall of the 2 Eheim pumps reality hurts

08-24-2003, 08:01 AM	#12
babyeater Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 42	Thats for the info men.

08-24-2003, 01:05 PM	#13
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Bill did you generate that P-Q curve yourself? If so, what is the method you use to do so? I should give that a go with the pumps I have around the casa.

08-24-2003, 01:35 PM	#14
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	no, that is from the mfgrs data I have verified it at 2 flow rates by summing the flow resistances of the system components to predict the flow rate and it seems accurate (±5% ?) - but really accurate values are needed for each item next time I have it on I'll measure the deadhead pressure (the easy part) what you need is to generate a head loss curve for your flow meter, then put that as directly as possible on the pump discharge after your throttling valve - set horizontally now read the pressure across the pump inlet and outlet and correct for your meter hmm, I think you'll need the pressure drop across the valve also

08-24-2003, 02:21 PM	#17
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	BrianW in a couple of weeks or so (??), ck new product announcements Eheim is better for no noise, but lower pressure/flow capability

08-24-2003, 03:05 PM	#20
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Better is way too broad. You need to know what you need or require to know what is better for you. BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

08-24-2003, 04:06 PM	#21
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Nice to have you drop in Bill. Some nice looking blocks there. The lower to the base cap for higher velocity in the blocks is real nice along with the large barbs to allow the least head loss. Is the base's cooling surface the same diamond pattern as that used in the 5000? And are you free to post further charts and figures on the performance curve & C/W? Again, great to see you stop in!

08-24-2003, 04:40 PM	#22
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	same baseplate, changed top - do you not recall the question you asked back in that old thread ? the 3 relevant graphs are on the Swistech site under MCW5002 but the only things I will post are new product graphs once they have been announced LOTS to come in the weeks ahead

08-25-2003, 01:08 AM	#23
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Any hope for an AMD tec variant? BrianW __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

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