My WB: EK-MCW

Eddy_EK · 03-06-2005, 06:43 AM

I would like to show you my own made WB.
What do you think about the WB?

For AMD XP:

And for AMD 64 and P4:

And a little coloured:

Thanks for your comments

HenryHL · 03-06-2005, 07:01 AM

WoW.... !!!!!!!!!!!

For looks she gets a 9 out of 10 from me. Any idea about her performance?

jaydee · 03-06-2005, 11:46 AM

Got cracks written all over the top. Other than that looks like a combination of a few other designs. Nice machine work. Send one to pH for review.

cougem · 03-06-2005, 11:57 AM

Very nice, very sexy. I really hope it doesn't crack, it'd be a great injustice.

Did you make two blocks then, or just 2 top plates? Or more maybe? How come?

tong · 03-06-2005, 12:09 PM

just 1 question. CAN I COPY IT?

Eddy_EK · 03-06-2005, 01:05 PM

cougem:
I have made a small series of those WB. I am sure that it wont crack. The acrylic top is strong enought (12mm thick).

tong:
silly question!

jaydee:
I see what you mean; mostly DD TDX WB, but i can tell you that i have made WB with only one outlet years ago... That is before DD TDX.

HenryHL:
I have tested prototype on my own simulator with 100W and it preforms better than Asetek Antarcica.

jaydee · 03-06-2005, 01:25 PM

I have to belive your morphling1. Same basic design and your from the same country.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=5464

Also what's with the MCW part? I belive that's one of Swiftech's terms.

Eddy_EK · 03-06-2005, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydee116

I have to belive your morphling1. Same basic design and your from the same country.

Yes, I know morphling1. He lives near me. We had some great discussion about WB design. He is a really great guy, but right now wery bussy with his job.

nikhsub1 · 03-06-2005, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydee116

I have to belive your morphling1. Same basic design and your from the same country.

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=5464

Also what's with the MCW part? I belive that's one of Swiftech's terms.

Was thinking the exact same thing.

tong · 03-06-2005, 03:30 PM

still didn;t asnwer my question lol

jaydee · 03-06-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tong

still didn;t asnwer my question lol

Well if you can copy it you must have some CAD skills so why not make your own variant? If I were to do it I would make those channels into pins instead.

Eddy_EK · 03-06-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee116

...so why not make your own variant?

Agree...

Anyway... I wouldn't agree with pins because if you have some kind of a wall the heat spreads along the wall so the heat exchange is beter

Cathar · 03-06-2005, 04:43 PM

So what's with using the Swiftech brand-name MCW moniker?

jaydee · 03-06-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddy_EK

Agree...

Anyway... I wouldn't agree with pins because if you have some kind of a wall the heat spreads along the wall so the heat exchange is beter

I have done enough experiments on the subject to convince myself pins are better.

buzzby · 03-06-2005, 04:55 PM

what equipment did you use to make those and are you selling?

Eddy_EK · 03-06-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathar

So what's with using the Swiftech brand-name MCW moniker?

If I tell you honestly, I did not knew or I did not knoledge about Swiftech MCW moniker, because I was thinking of MICRO CHANNEL WAVE.

I investigated a little bit and discovered that Swiftech nidnt mean micro channel wave and that swiftech hasn't trade mark on MCW but on: MCW6000™, MCW20™... (I'm glad

)

Eddy_EK · 03-06-2005, 05:25 PM

jaydee116: I have also made the tests and:

the block above is about 2 or more °C worst than block below.

For that I am posetitvely sure.
And the channel height and the base thickness were the same.

Moto7451 · 03-06-2005, 07:10 PM

I think it may be a good idea to change the name to something else just to avoid any problems. trademarking aside, if someone wanted to get one of your blocks & saw the MCW part as being related to Swiftech they would surf over to their site instead of yours. Then because they did not see this block they may either check somewhere else or just buy an MCW6002 because thats probably going to be seen as a related product to the uneducated buyer.

EK-Wave would sound good.

jaydee · 03-06-2005, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddy_EK

jaydee116: I have also made the tests and:

the block above is about 2 or more °C worst than block below.

For that I am posetitvely sure.
And the channel height and the base thickness were the same.

If it is 2C then your testing method/equipment needs work. Also the pins are way to big in that one you did there. Make them 2-3 times smaller. Guess you havn't seen the Nexxos XP internals?

Eddy_EK · 03-07-2005, 02:58 AM

jaydee: I must dissapoint you

I have also tested pte pins simmilar to nexxxos xp, and it didn't work well. The best result I get was with the "shower" inlet.

Here are the pictures:

Eddy_EK · 03-07-2005, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydee116

If it is 2C then your testing method/equipment needs work. Also the pins are way to big in that one you did there. Make them 2-3 times smaller. Guess you havn't seen the Nexxos XP internals?

Anyway I have CPU simulator. I test WB with equipment with resolution 0,03 °C, and the results are statisticly comparable.

Cathar · 03-07-2005, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddy_EK

jaydee: I must dissapoint you

I have also tested pte pins simmilar to nexxxos xp, and it didn't work well. The best result I get was with the "shower" inlet.

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The NexXxoS XP packs over 5x as many pins into the same area as the block you pictured there.

Incoherent · 03-07-2005, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddy_EK

Anyway I have CPU simulator. I test WB with equipment with resolution 0,03 °C, and the results are statisticly comparable.

Nice machine work.
Any details about your testing setup?

Eddy_EK · 03-07-2005, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incoherent

Nice machine work.
Any details about your testing setup?

Ia m sory not to take pictures as I tested. In fact I am finnishing it, so I hope it would soon include the water flow sensor too. The temperatures (and water flow) are monitored and stored on computer (MS Excel). I have the copper stock with 100W heater. The stock is simmilar to Joe Cittarellas. I am using Hydor L30 pump and 1/2" ID tubes. The radiator is custom made for one 12cm fan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathar

The NexXxoS XP packs over 5x as many pins into the same area as the block you pictured there.

Yes but it was the reply for Jaydee that said the pins should be smaller. I don't have the machinery to do that kind of operation.

jaydee · 03-07-2005, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddy_EK

Ia m sory not to take pictures as I tested. In fact I am finnishing it, so I hope it would soon include the water flow sensor too. The temperatures (and water flow) are monitored and stored on computer (MS Excel). I have the copper stock with 100W heater. The stock is simmilar to Joe Cittarellas. I am using Hydor L30 pump and 1/2" ID tubes. The radiator is custom made for one 12cm fan.

Yes but it was the reply for Jaydee that said the pins should be smaller. I don't have the machinery to do that kind of operation.

So you don't know the flow rate when testing yet? What pump are you using? I would guess your design is not better than the MCW6000 or my R-Type block that both use pins about as big as that last pic.

03-06-2005, 06:43 AM	#1
Eddy_EK Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Slovenia Posts: 94	My WB: EK-MCW I would like to show you my own made WB. What do you think about the WB? For AMD XP: And for AMD 64 and P4: And a little coloured: Thanks for your comments __________________ EK Water Blocks

03-06-2005, 07:01 AM	#2
HenryHL Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 7	WoW.... !!!!!!!!!!! For looks she gets a 9 out of 10 from me. Any idea about her performance? __________________ Life is bittersweet, women like semisweet, and I can't find my keys...

03-06-2005, 11:57 AM	#4
cougem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge Uni Posts: 176	Very nice, very sexy. I really hope it doesn't crack, it'd be a great injustice. Did you make two blocks then, or just 2 top plates? Or more maybe? How come? __________________ www.ENDGAME.info - Because you know it rocks

03-06-2005, 01:05 PM	#6
Eddy_EK Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Slovenia Posts: 94	cougem: I have made a small series of those WB. I am sure that it wont crack. The acrylic top is strong enought (12mm thick). tong: silly question! jaydee: I see what you mean; mostly DD TDX WB, but i can tell you that i have made WB with only one outlet years ago... That is before DD TDX. HenryHL: I have tested prototype on my own simulator with 100W and it preforms better than Asetek Antarcica. __________________ EK Water Blocks

03-06-2005, 05:25 PM	#17
Eddy_EK Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Slovenia Posts: 94	jaydee116: I have also made the tests and: the block above is about 2 or more °C worst than block below. For that I am posetitvely sure. And the channel height and the base thickness were the same. __________________ EK Water Blocks

03-06-2005, 11:46 AM	#3
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Got cracks written all over the top. Other than that looks like a combination of a few other designs. Nice machine work. Send one to pH for review.

03-06-2005, 12:09 PM	#5
tong Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ludlow, MA Posts: 89	just 1 question. CAN I COPY IT?

03-06-2005, 01:25 PM	#7
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I have to belive your morphling1. Same basic design and your from the same country. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=5464 Also what's with the MCW part? I belive that's one of Swiftech's terms.

03-06-2005, 03:30 PM	#10
tong Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ludlow, MA Posts: 89	still didn;t asnwer my question lol

03-06-2005, 04:43 PM	#13
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	So what's with using the Swiftech brand-name MCW moniker?

03-06-2005, 04:55 PM	#15
buzzby Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: at home Posts: 35	what equipment did you use to make those and are you selling?

03-06-2005, 07:10 PM	#18
Moto7451 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA, CA Posts: 53	I think it may be a good idea to change the name to something else just to avoid any problems. trademarking aside, if someone wanted to get one of your blocks & saw the MCW part as being related to Swiftech they would surf over to their site instead of yours. Then because they did not see this block they may either check somewhere else or just buy an MCW6002 because thats probably going to be seen as a related product to the uneducated buyer. EK-Wave would sound good.

03-07-2005, 02:58 AM	#20
Eddy_EK Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Slovenia Posts: 94	jaydee: I must dissapoint you I have also tested pte pins simmilar to nexxxos xp, and it didn't work well. The best result I get was with the "shower" inlet. Here are the pictures: __________________ EK Water Blocks

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