24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment

ricecrispi · 03-17-2006, 03:17 AM

I heard Coolingworks and Bill have been design a new RAD, 2x120mm and possible 3x120mm that is designed towards really silent cooling?

Is this true or just silly rumors? Anyone have some tidbits? Nothing on google yet or coolingworks website

Brandon_Tyler · 03-17-2006, 07:29 AM

You can see for yourself @ wwww.jab-tech.com Theyhave both the double and triple rads in stock.

- Brandon

Lothar5150 · 03-17-2006, 10:18 AM

ricecrispi,

Both are double row rads at 12 FPI

oh and they are 22T and 32T

ex. 22T= two fans two rows threaded

ricecrispi · 03-17-2006, 11:10 AM

Thanks for the info. Wow they are on sale too! $60 is very competitive price!

Heard it was a 9 FPI rad. Was that true at one point? Did it make any substantial difference in performance or noise levels comparing 9 FPI to 12 FPI. Are any of them out for testing?

Coolingworks.com website is also updated. GJ Lothar.
EDIT:
AW, I thought the 12~12cm.

Brians256 · 03-17-2006, 12:27 PM

Is this new? I thought that Coolingworks had this out for a while, but I may be thinking of an older design. Lothar, can you talk a little about this and how you see it contrast/compare to other rads? Marci, if you'd like to respond it would be nice to see the different manufacturers talk about the products.

I will edit out anything that I think is a non-techical jab at any of the companies involved, though. I am sure we can all work together to ensure that this does not devolve into a flame fest.

Lothar5150 · 03-17-2006, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricecrispi

Thanks for the info. Wow they are on sale too! $60 is very competitive price!

Heard it was a 9 FPI rad. Was that true at one point? Did it make any substantial difference in performance or noise levels comparing 9 FPI to 12 FPI. Are any of them out for testing?

Coolingworks.com website is also updated. GJ Lothar.
EDIT:
AW, I thought the 12~12cm.

No we went with 12 FPI based on Bill's recommendations. He has a done a lot of research and development on radiators. I doubt you will get much from Bill he has had it with people questioning his integrity. None are out for review. I'd be happy to offer all three versions for review. But if it is going to be a test bench review I want someone with competence and the proper test bench to perform the testing.

Brians256 · 03-17-2006, 12:53 PM

Thank you, Lothar.

Lothar5150 · 03-17-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brians256

Is this new? I thought that Coolingworks had this out for a while, but I may be thinking of an older design. Lothar, can you talk a little about this and how you see it contrast/compare to other rads? Marci, if you'd like to respond it would be nice to see the different manufacturers talk about the products.

I will edit out anything that I think is a non-techical jab at any of the companies involved, though. I am sure we can all work together to ensure that this does not devolve into a flame fest.

Actually I've never had an issue with Marci. He has never attacked me personally and IMHO he makes a very nice product.

BTW cute kid

bigben2k · 03-17-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothar5150

...None are out for review. I'd be happy to offer all three versions for review. But if it is going to be a test bench review I want someone with competence and the proper test bench to perform the testing.

Other than Bill, I don't know anyone who's got a testbench for radiator testing; do you?

Am still working on mine.

jaydee · 03-17-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothar5150

But if it is going to be a test bench review I want someone with competence and the proper test bench to perform the testing.

Define what you think is a proper test bench and what traits one must poses to be competent?

Brians256 · 03-17-2006, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothar5150

Actually I've never had an issue with Marci. He has never attacked me personally and IMHO he makes a very nice product.

I wasn't really concerned about Marci. But others often feel the need to jump right in. Call me paranoid, but I finally feel free to stomp on some senseless behavior.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothar5150

BTW cute kid

Thanks! That's Deborah and she just turned 2.

Brians256 · 03-17-2006, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothar5150

But if it is going to be a test bench review I want someone with competence and the proper test bench to perform the testing.

C'mon, I've got a RIO pump and MBM! Do I need more?

ricecrispi · 03-17-2006, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothar5150

No we went with 12 FPI based on Bill's recommendations. He has a done a lot of research and development on radiators. I doubt you will get much from Bill he has had it with people questioning his integrity.

Completely understand that. Testbenchs getting the microscope inspection these days.

Hey, Where are you loccated in HB?

Lothar5150 · 03-19-2006, 01:09 PM

bigben2k- I think Bill is the only one right now

Brians256-

ricecrispi-On Main Street about four blocks from the pier

Lothar5150 · 03-19-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

Define what you think is a proper test bench and what traits one must poses to be competent?

Caled thermometers, coolant inlet/outlet with 0.01° resolution

ricecrispi · 03-19-2006, 03:01 PM

DAMN! Rent must be a bitch if you are that close to downtown.

You must be across from JAX and down the street from fire depratment

bigben2k · 03-19-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothar5150

Caled thermometers, coolant inlet/outlet with 0.01° resolution

Dandy; I'm on my way to that.

I'll be in touch in ~3 months or so.

Marci · 03-20-2006, 04:41 AM

No comments to add really - made to CoolingWorks usual standards etc, should be peachy... higher fpi than us but thinner core... swings n roundabouts for marginal results these days. There's only so far tweaking a design will get you and we're all coming up to the same line... much as Willlie was saying back in the PA-related threads of the day...

Anyways - below 10fpi - tricky to get good output without major tooling reworks... lot of "scrap" rads produced... hard to retain integrity, stop the core from twisting etc - not enough rigidity and the lower the FPI, the messier each row-end tends to end up being... anyone releasing sub-10fpi rads is an unlikely event imo. Was the 12T not also 12FPI? Is this nothing new other than a footprint increase? Can't recall offhand and FPI not listed on the site...

If merely a footprint extension, then find testing results for 12T and extrapolate for 2x120 and 3x120. Bill already showed that doing so rings true to test results when he tested HE Series - only ever tested single and double, extrapolated triple... so extrapolation can easily avoid any need for testing if results exist for 1x120 and all other specs match other than length.

Lothar5150 · 03-20-2006, 06:55 AM

The 12T was 16.5 FPI thus extrapolation is not appropriate

Marci · 03-20-2006, 06:59 AM

Oh well...

Lothar5150 · 03-20-2006, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricecrispi

DAMN! Rent must be a bitch if you are that close to downtown.

You must be across from JAX and down the street from fire depratment

I'm a couple of blocks up from there...but yes it is a very expensive area.

Brians256 · 03-20-2006, 09:58 AM

Interesting, guys. Thanks.

03-17-2006, 03:17 AM	#1
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment I heard Coolingworks and Bill have been design a new RAD, 2x120mm and possible 3x120mm that is designed towards really silent cooling? Is this true or just silly rumors? Anyone have some tidbits? Nothing on google yet or coolingworks website

03-17-2006, 07:29 AM	#2
Brandon_Tyler Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: D-FW, Texas Posts: 26	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment You can see for yourself @ wwww.jab-tech.com Theyhave both the double and triple rads in stock. - Brandon

03-17-2006, 10:18 AM	#3
Lothar5150 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Surf City USA Posts: 433	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment ricecrispi, Both are double row rads at 12 FPI oh and they are 22T and 32T ex. 22T= two fans two rows threaded Last edited by Lothar5150; 03-17-2006 at 10:52 AM.

03-17-2006, 11:10 AM	#4
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment Thanks for the info. Wow they are on sale too! $60 is very competitive price! Heard it was a 9 FPI rad. Was that true at one point? Did it make any substantial difference in performance or noise levels comparing 9 FPI to 12 FPI. Are any of them out for testing? Coolingworks.com website is also updated. GJ Lothar. EDIT: AW, I thought the 12~12cm.

03-17-2006, 12:27 PM	#5
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment Is this new? I thought that Coolingworks had this out for a while, but I may be thinking of an older design. Lothar, can you talk a little about this and how you see it contrast/compare to other rads? Marci, if you'd like to respond it would be nice to see the different manufacturers talk about the products. I will edit out anything that I think is a non-techical jab at any of the companies involved, though. I am sure we can all work together to ensure that this does not devolve into a flame fest.

03-17-2006, 12:53 PM	#7
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment Thank you, Lothar.

03-19-2006, 01:09 PM	#14
Lothar5150 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Surf City USA Posts: 433	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment bigben2k- I think Bill is the only one right now Brians256- ricecrispi-On Main Street about four blocks from the pier

03-19-2006, 03:01 PM	#16
ricecrispi Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: california Posts: 429	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment DAMN! Rent must be a bitch if you are that close to downtown. You must be across from JAX and down the street from fire depratment

03-20-2006, 04:41 AM	#18
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment No comments to add really - made to CoolingWorks usual standards etc, should be peachy... higher fpi than us but thinner core... swings n roundabouts for marginal results these days. There's only so far tweaking a design will get you and we're all coming up to the same line... much as Willlie was saying back in the PA-related threads of the day... Anyways - below 10fpi - tricky to get good output without major tooling reworks... lot of "scrap" rads produced... hard to retain integrity, stop the core from twisting etc - not enough rigidity and the lower the FPI, the messier each row-end tends to end up being... anyone releasing sub-10fpi rads is an unlikely event imo. Was the 12T not also 12FPI? Is this nothing new other than a footprint increase? Can't recall offhand and FPI not listed on the site... If merely a footprint extension, then find testing results for 12T and extrapolate for 2x120 and 3x120. Bill already showed that doing so rings true to test results when he tested HE Series - only ever tested single and double, extrapolated triple... so extrapolation can easily avoid any need for testing if results exist for 1x120 and all other specs match other than length. __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

03-20-2006, 06:55 AM	#19
Lothar5150 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Surf City USA Posts: 433	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment The 12T was 16.5 FPI thus extrapolation is not appropriate

03-20-2006, 06:59 AM	#20
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment Oh well... __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

03-20-2006, 09:58 AM	#22
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: 24T-36T coolingworks rads? Anyone comment Interesting, guys. Thanks.

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