to shim or not to shim THAT is the question.

[dannzig] · 01-23-2002, 03:30 AM

Im selling of my old computer and starting all over again.... planning, modifying everything to fit my needs....

Chieftec DX-01B-D Dragon Super MidiTower Black
EPoX EP-8KHA+
AMD Athlon XP 1600+
Crucial Unbuffered Non-parity DDR 512mb (2*256mb)
ASUS V7100 Pro GeForce2 MX400 64Mb
LITE-ON LTR-24102B CD-RW 24x10x40x "Burn Proof"
Seagate Barracuda IV 40.0Gb 7200rpm

this will be the base of my new system. im keeping my h2o setup from my old rig and will modify it to fit in the new case. im going for the unmodified outside look

i know only a mx card.... but im really not the gamer type of guy.... i would rather have brutish memory performance and cpu power for doing various thing that i like to put my computer through....

my question for you guys is this. are there chims for the xp processor ? i live in sweden and havent got the ability to pay over the web w/ creditcard and such. i know that shims are training wheels and bla bla bla.... but i would rather have my processor alive and be a total looser than beeing one of the [h]ard guys that really dont care about what happens to their system.

im asking this mainly because i like to put some extra pressure on my chips to have perfect contact with the wb...

maybe i can use the chim i have for my current athlon/duron ( ? )
would REALLY appreciate and answer from you guys .... cream of the crop h2o cooler dudes

regards

iceheart · 01-23-2002, 05:31 AM

I wouldn't use one... If you don't do something really stupid it's really quite impossible to crack the core.

DigitalChaos · 01-23-2002, 06:41 AM

umm i think i remember seeing a shim for the XP's... i forget where... try searching google... ill update you if i find it

Butcher · 01-23-2002, 06:51 AM

what block are you using? Blocks with good mountings make it very hard to chip the core.

iceheart · 01-23-2002, 09:00 AM

And to answer the question, nope the AXP SMD thingies are on different places.

[dannzig] · 01-23-2002, 09:40 AM

okey... i´d better be really really carefull then

im using a home made big bore wb with a plexi clamping device that uses the socketa mounting holes around the socket.

Brad · 01-23-2002, 01:11 PM

shims are horrible. do you know how many people have had their shims ride up on the core cracking it, or up onto one of those 4 feet. Or moving a bit and shorting out the bridges, leaving lovely black marks everywhere.

don't use a shim

sloppycoder · 01-24-2002, 12:26 PM

lol if your thick enough to fit your w/b with the mobo in the case AND the case upright then the shim could rise up. you deserve to lose a cpu if you do that though!

i use a coolerguys mica shim (nonconductor) so it cant short bridges.

i dont see why not to use one of these, i got mine to stop evil hsf unit's with stupidly tight clips from killing my second thunderbird. a coolermaster killed my first one, i put it on right but the pressure was insane, i swear if the clip had snapped as i was mounting it the screwdriver would have gone through the mobo, tray, case wall and about an inch into my desk!

slop

DigitalChaos · 01-24-2002, 12:41 PM

LOL yeah those damn HSF clips suck... thats the reason i bought my shim... also its nice for the waterblock when im taking tubes on and off.... all the excess non balanced stress would have chipped my die if i didnt have a shim...

if you get one of the shims that have holes for the little feet on your processor... then just put it on there... and move it around and see if the shim comes close to anything it can short out... if it does... then file it down a bit

Joe · 01-24-2002, 02:31 PM

GIRLS USE SHIMS!!!

hehehe Kyle and lil Stevie at ocp get all upset when I say that. Even with shims those tech monkeys smoke anything thats given to them. So I dont think that its the shim or lack of a shim but the skill of the person mounting the block/HSF.

Learn how to mount a block or HSF the right way and dont worry about shims, they are training wheels for the kiddies. Might as well just get a MAC if you are going to use a shim.

Edit:

Also the deal about taking hoses on and off... I have done that a number of times with no shim. You just need to BE CAREFUL. I have kept a 1.4Ghz Tbird alive for the past 6 or 7 months, and mounted stuff on it more than 100 times in different rigs. Its NOT HARD, you just cant be a goon when you work with the stuff.

Brad · 01-24-2002, 03:01 PM

/me had been waiting for Joe to find this thread

WebMasta33 · 01-24-2002, 03:46 PM

I like my shim. But I've just always had one.

I was a noob to mountin a HSF when I purchesed this computer. I wanted the SK-6 (back in August of 00') and I read stories about shims, and how they were the "universal solution". I've never tried it without a shim.

I have a copper shim, as long as you line it up right, I don't see how you can move it...
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LMAO... You do know your sponcers at the top of the page carry Annodized XP shims???

mrcandy224 · 01-24-2002, 03:56 PM

I must say.. you can have your opinion.. BUT, I suggest buying the purple XP shim from www.highspeedpc.com, seems to be best, plus no chance of smearing that nice unlocking job you did.

WebMasta33 · 01-24-2002, 04:10 PM

I still say to shim is to be safe... BTW, MrCandy... You put a comma after the .com in your URL there.

Brad · 01-24-2002, 04:35 PM

the only ways to chip a core is by putting the waterblock on an angle, or sliding the waterblock around once it is mounted.

a shim wont fix the sliding around thing, but it will fix mounting it on an angle. Now, all you need to do is just keep the block level.

keep it level, and it is damned near impossible to crack/chip a core

resago · 01-24-2002, 07:46 PM

no shims. as far as mounting goes, you can't get much worse than a thermaltake volcano 2, and I mount those things all day long at work on durons(smaller cores than t-birds and xp), Never had a problem, just use common sense.

LiquidCool · 01-24-2002, 09:10 PM

The volcanoIIs are hard?

I have a screwdriver filed down to fit perfectly into the clip. I built over 30 PCs around christmas time with the volcanoII.

Now I put a volcano7 on the other day and THAT sucked. It was like putting a 350 in a VW bug...

DarkEdge · 01-24-2002, 09:17 PM

I never used a shim. Never needed to until... I was gaming away on DoD and all of a sudden there was a couple screen glitches, and then black. Everything was still on too. After checking all my hardware, testing diffrent things, I took off my waterblock and guess what I found? The top portion of my duron was chipped.

It wasn't from mounting, it had been on the duron 3+ months. Hadn't gone to any lans either.

So being rather pissed off, I went to Axion Tech (They sell DANGER DEN items now) bought a 1.4 tbird and a non-conductive shim.

Didn't want to, but I wasn't going to let something this FUBAR happen again.

01-23-2002, 03:30 AM	#1
[dannzig] Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 98	to shim or not to shim THAT is the question. Im selling of my old computer and starting all over again.... planning, modifying everything to fit my needs.... Chieftec DX-01B-D Dragon Super MidiTower Black EPoX EP-8KHA+ AMD Athlon XP 1600+ Crucial Unbuffered Non-parity DDR 512mb (2*256mb) ASUS V7100 Pro GeForce2 MX400 64Mb LITE-ON LTR-24102B CD-RW 24x10x40x "Burn Proof" Seagate Barracuda IV 40.0Gb 7200rpm this will be the base of my new system. im keeping my h2o setup from my old rig and will modify it to fit in the new case. im going for the unmodified outside look i know only a mx card.... but im really not the gamer type of guy.... i would rather have brutish memory performance and cpu power for doing various thing that i like to put my computer through.... my question for you guys is this. are there chims for the xp processor ? i live in sweden and havent got the ability to pay over the web w/ creditcard and such. i know that shims are training wheels and bla bla bla.... but i would rather have my processor alive and be a total looser than beeing one of the [h]ard guys that really dont care about what happens to their system. im asking this mainly because i like to put some extra pressure on my chips to have perfect contact with the wb... maybe i can use the chim i have for my current athlon/duron ( ? ) would REALLY appreciate and answer from you guys .... cream of the crop h2o cooler dudes regards __________________ \|father of ebba - www.ebba.da.ru\| at7max/d700/256/80/ti4200

01-23-2002, 06:51 AM	#4
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	what block are you using? Blocks with good mountings make it very hard to chip the core. __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

01-23-2002, 09:00 AM	#5
iceheart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Yonder Posts: 318	And to answer the question, nope the AXP SMD thingies are on different places. __________________ "If the majority is smarter than you, does that make everyone else a geek, or does it make you retarded?" - pHaestus

01-23-2002, 09:40 AM	#6
[dannzig] Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sweden Posts: 98	okey... i´d better be really really carefull then im using a home made big bore wb with a plexi clamping device that uses the socketa mounting holes around the socket. __________________ \|father of ebba - www.ebba.da.ru\| at7max/d700/256/80/ti4200

01-24-2002, 02:31 PM	#10
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	GIRLS USE SHIMS!!! hehehe Kyle and lil Stevie at ocp get all upset when I say that. Even with shims those tech monkeys smoke anything thats given to them. So I dont think that its the shim or lack of a shim but the skill of the person mounting the block/HSF. Learn how to mount a block or HSF the right way and dont worry about shims, they are training wheels for the kiddies. Might as well just get a MAC if you are going to use a shim. Edit: Also the deal about taking hoses on and off... I have done that a number of times with no shim. You just need to BE CAREFUL. I have kept a 1.4Ghz Tbird alive for the past 6 or 7 months, and mounted stuff on it more than 100 times in different rigs. Its NOT HARD, you just cant be a goon when you work with the stuff. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

01-23-2002, 05:31 AM	#2
iceheart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Yonder Posts: 318	I wouldn't use one... If you don't do something really stupid it's really quite impossible to crack the core.

01-23-2002, 06:41 AM	#3
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	umm i think i remember seeing a shim for the XP's... i forget where... try searching google... ill update you if i find it

01-23-2002, 01:11 PM	#7
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	shims are horrible. do you know how many people have had their shims ride up on the core cracking it, or up onto one of those 4 feet. Or moving a bit and shorting out the bridges, leaving lovely black marks everywhere. don't use a shim

01-24-2002, 12:26 PM	#8
sloppycoder Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 31	lol if your thick enough to fit your w/b with the mobo in the case AND the case upright then the shim could rise up. you deserve to lose a cpu if you do that though! i use a coolerguys mica shim (nonconductor) so it cant short bridges. i dont see why not to use one of these, i got mine to stop evil hsf unit's with stupidly tight clips from killing my second thunderbird. a coolermaster killed my first one, i put it on right but the pressure was insane, i swear if the clip had snapped as i was mounting it the screwdriver would have gone through the mobo, tray, case wall and about an inch into my desk! slop

01-24-2002, 12:41 PM	#9
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	LOL yeah those damn HSF clips suck... thats the reason i bought my shim... also its nice for the waterblock when im taking tubes on and off.... all the excess non balanced stress would have chipped my die if i didnt have a shim... if you get one of the shims that have holes for the little feet on your processor... then just put it on there... and move it around and see if the shim comes close to anything it can short out... if it does... then file it down a bit

01-24-2002, 03:01 PM	#11
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	/me had been waiting for Joe to find this thread

01-24-2002, 03:46 PM	#12
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	I like my shim. But I've just always had one. I was a noob to mountin a HSF when I purchesed this computer. I wanted the SK-6 (back in August of 00') and I read stories about shims, and how they were the "universal solution". I've never tried it without a shim. I have a copper shim, as long as you line it up right, I don't see how you can move it... ---------------------------- LMAO... You do know your sponcers at the top of the page carry Annodized XP shims??? __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 =========== Last edited by WebMasta33; 01-24-2002 at 03:54 PM.

01-24-2002, 03:56 PM	#13
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	I must say.. you can have your opinion.. BUT, I suggest buying the purple XP shim from www.highspeedpc.com, seems to be best, plus no chance of smearing that nice unlocking job you did. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-24-2002, 04:10 PM	#14
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	I still say to shim is to be safe... BTW, MrCandy... You put a comma after the .com in your URL there. __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

01-24-2002, 04:35 PM	#15
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	the only ways to chip a core is by putting the waterblock on an angle, or sliding the waterblock around once it is mounted. a shim wont fix the sliding around thing, but it will fix mounting it on an angle. Now, all you need to do is just keep the block level. keep it level, and it is damned near impossible to crack/chip a core

01-24-2002, 07:46 PM	#16
resago Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: state of denial Posts: 488	no shims. as far as mounting goes, you can't get much worse than a thermaltake volcano 2, and I mount those things all day long at work on durons(smaller cores than t-birds and xp), Never had a problem, just use common sense. __________________ 2.4Ghz Compaq Workstation 2.8Ghz Custom 2700+ Custom still running 2000!!!! Help with Coding www.resago.com

01-24-2002, 09:10 PM	#17
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	The volcanoIIs are hard? I have a screwdriver filed down to fit perfectly into the clip. I built over 30 PCs around christmas time with the volcanoII. Now I put a volcano7 on the other day and THAT sucked. It was like putting a 350 in a VW bug...

01-24-2002, 09:17 PM	#18
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	I never used a shim. Never needed to until... I was gaming away on DoD and all of a sudden there was a couple screen glitches, and then black. Everything was still on too. After checking all my hardware, testing diffrent things, I took off my waterblock and guess what I found? The top portion of my duron was chipped. It wasn't from mounting, it had been on the duron 3+ months. Hadn't gone to any lans either. So being rather pissed off, I went to Axion Tech (They sell DANGER DEN items now) bought a 1.4 tbird and a non-conductive shim. Didn't want to, but I wasn't going to let something this FUBAR happen again.

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