Eheim inside or outside of the reservoir

[Nomad2000]

If you have room enough, what is better - Eheim 1250 inside the reservoir or outside of it?
Thank everybody.
Leon

[Cyco-Dude]

if you have room, probably outside...

[Skydiver]

Eheim say you get the best performance by submerging thier submergable pumps. You must also ensure the pump is run wet as the water lubricates the bearings, and submerging mostly guarantees this. But you will add the heat generated by the pump to the water. Your choice, mine is in the res.

[Haddy]

outside...ehiem puts off some heat...i thought all their pumps where inline??:shrug: :shrug:

[redleader]

Eheim say you get the best performance by submerging thier submergable pumps.

Thats nonsense. It will be a little cooler, but otherwise the same.

You must also ensure the pump is run wet as the water lubricates the bearings, and submerging mostly guarantees this.

What bearings?

Just wondering, have you ever looked at a magdrive pump? They are totally sealed. From the pumps perspective, submerged will be the same as inline. Its not like they have gapeing holes that let coolant leak out the sides if not submerged.

The only advantage of submerged is easy purging, though with a res inline is really easy too. Meanwhile the heat issue is BS. Even inline 80% of the heat is going into the coolant.

Do whats easiest.

[ondaedg]

Eheim's do not use the same drive system as a Danner so you can not compare them as far as bearings or lack thereof.

[Skydiver]

Wow, so much venom. I can't find the comment on performance so maybe that is not accurate. The impellor spindle on the Eheims runs in a ceramic bearing that is lubricated by the water being pumped, that is why they have to be primed before use - so the bearing surface gets some lubricant.

I haven't done any testing on differences in heat added to water between inline and submerged configuration. You quote 80%, would you care to present your test setup and measurments taken to validate this? Or is it bs?

[ECUPirate]

Originally posted by Haddy
outside...ehiem puts off some heat...i thought all their pumps where inline??:shrug: :shrug:

the pumps run inline or submersible. In fact, you can remove the intake nozzle from the pump and install a little blue filter (included) inside of the light gray part, where the intake is. It sucks water in, and shoots it onto your girlfriends white t-shirt.

[Brad]

ECU, the GF won't be wearing anything, let alone a tshirt

[Crobe]

Even inline 80% of the heat is going into the coolant.

Did you know that 37% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

[ECUPirate]

Originally posted by Brad
ECU, the GF won't be wearing anything, let alone a tshirt

...yeah, a but if I had said something about shooting 'it' onto your GF's bare, naked breasts, Joe might have gotten uppity.
We all know how he feels about boobs...

[Haddy]

boob obsessed is he.......

[ondaedg]

Did you know that 37% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Is this one of those 37%? :P

[Crobe]

Is this one of those 37%? :P

hehe, I'm glad somebody got it

[ECUPirate]

hehe.. I had a boob as my avatar, but I was warned that Joe'd have a fit. There were a few homosexual rumors floating around for a bit, but I think that's mostly been sorted out.. ... it was a nice tit... Ask Brad...

[ECUPirate]

tell you what...
here it is for your viewing pleasure... (don't view this if you're at work...)


99% of all chicks will swear it's fake.

[Haddy]

who cares if its fake...its still luvable

[Brad]

that tit is sooo good. nicely tanned, shaped, and the centre bit is great too. I wish I had the girl attached to that tit

[redleader]

Wow, so much venom.

Ack I did come off as a dick there. Sorry, no offense intended.

I can't find the comment on performance so maybe that is not accurate. The impellor spindle on the Eheims runs in a ceramic bearing that is lubricated by the water being pumped, that is why they have to be primed before use - so the bearing surface gets some lubricant.

When you said bearings, I though "ball bearings". Anyway I see what you are saying, so yes the coolant does lubricate it, but it doesn't matter if its submerged or not.

You quote 80%, would you care to present your test setup and measurments taken to validate this? Or is it bs?

BS of course. I'm not sure how I could simulate the resistance of a cooling setup, minimize heat loss and measure acturately enough to derive a good figure for watts. However my 1250 runs fairly cool to the touch (much much cooler then a hard disk nearby with more air flow and much less power radiated). Therefore I reasoned that 4/5 of the heat was entering the coolant.

Regardless with heatercores easily handleing several hundred watts, the difference between 10 or 20w is irrelevent.

Eheim's do not use the same drive system as a Danner so you can not compare them as far as bearings or lack thereof.

I've never opened a Danner, I was refering to the generic class of pumps with an impellor floating on a magnetic field. Is this the wrong name ?:shrug:

[Gnozo]

What about EMI? My Eheim 1048 puts out alot of EMI. I actually bought the pump, because I've heard that they were shielded. So wouldn't it help a little bit to put it in a reservoir? Perhaps one made of ordinary steel? Or thick plastic?