Maze 3

Del · 04-25-2002, 12:52 AM

I just recently received my Maze 3, and to my dismay, it had the countersunk bolts, and it resulted in cracking.
I have decided to make a new top for the Maze 3 out of copper and I have attached the blueprints below.
I am wondering if anyone could check these figures and maybe fix them.
I also need to know what size tap I would need to use the 1/4 npt 1/2 inch barbs?
I assume I have to drill 7/16 " holes.
Would anyone know whether it would be possible to get thick copper sheets, (thick enough for the top) at the local hardware store? I live in Canada.

I also had to lap the block, as it was very concave in the center.

However, I am still satisifed with the block, as it has been machined very well, and

Thanks for your help.

Edit: I fixed the image, so this should correspond to the actual..
I can't believe I missed that.

ECUPirate · 04-25-2002, 01:23 AM

all I know is this... the block isn't symmetrical. It must be installed with the Danger Den logo facing down. If you turn the block around, the long edge will overlap the plastic part of the ZIF socket. This tells me that the mounting holes aren't even on both sides. check their distances from the long edge to be sure.

zoson · 04-25-2002, 01:33 AM

Hey guys, my maze3 arrived a few days ago, but I've been busy with other matters (roasted mobo and xp1800+) )(*@%)(!*%(@)! but anyway. My top also had countersunk screws. The top was severely cracked. I had a radial crack that went from the bottom right countersunk screw to the right barb. The top leaks because of this.
The base of my block was flat, I checked it against an architect's slide rule, and no lapping was needed. Although the corners of my block were tapered... They slanted inwards as you went from top to bottom, which I thought was odd. DD trying to save materials?
I would offer pictures, but my computer is in such bad shape right now that I don't even have USB.
-Zoson

Brad · 04-25-2002, 03:57 AM

Del, that pic looks to be fairly accurate. ECU - thats why it's 5/16 on one side and 3/16 on the other.

Zos, really bad luck to have a Maze3 that leaks out of the box

ECUPirate · 04-25-2002, 11:20 AM

wow. I totally didn't see that other measurement.. sorry. :shrug:

UpAllNight · 04-25-2002, 11:40 AM

a 7/16 drilled hole is the proper size for a 1/4 npt tap...that is not a regular tap...its tapered and they are called a 1/4 pipe tap...its not a 1/4-20 standard tap

ambient · 04-25-2002, 12:06 PM

why not just take the top off and trace it on a piece of paper? lol

DigitalChaos · 04-25-2002, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zoson
Although the corners of my block were tapered... They slanted inwards as you went from top to bottom, which I thought was odd. DD trying to save materials?

cmon... HOW could they save materials this way?

this stuff happens when you lap blocks.. the sand paper doesnt lay PERFECTLY flat... so the very edged gets a little more worn down.

Del · 04-26-2002, 01:25 AM

Does anyone know where i could get a 3" x 2 1/16" x 3/8" piece of copper?

ECUPirate · 04-26-2002, 01:29 AM

look at http://www.mcmaster.com , under metals, copper, sheet, and then pick your size. You'll probably have to buy a square foot, but you can check.

Fixittt · 04-26-2002, 06:00 PM

www.onlinemetals.com

Del · 04-26-2002, 06:14 PM

do they sell copper blocks in this size at hardware stores?

and also, on the mcmaster website, I was wondering what size tap i get, the 1/4"-18 NPT or the 1/2"-14 NPT.

What is messing me up is the use of the " sign... I thought that NPT was a pipe measurement, not a size.

Fixittt · 04-26-2002, 06:30 PM

1/4 in NPT (Nation pipe thread)

Del · 04-27-2002, 05:40 PM

I went to the local hardware store and picked up a 1/4-18 NF tap...
Will this work?
Edit: On further inspection, I found that it said on the tap 1/4-18 NPT, but the packaging said NF.

Anyways, onto another question.
I'm going to do this on a 1/4 piece of copper, as opposed to a 3/8 piece of lucite that dangerden used. This is because the 1/4 x 3 1/2 pieces of copper are on clearance at onlinemetals. Anyways, my question is, how deep should i go with the tap. I tried the tap out on the holes tapped in dangerden's lucite top and i found it would only go halfway until it started taking out plastic. Does this mean i should only go halfway with my tap into the copper?

Thanks for your help

04-25-2002, 01:23 AM	#2
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	all I know is this... the block isn't symmetrical. It must be installed with the Danger Den logo facing down. If you turn the block around, the long edge will overlap the plastic part of the ZIF socket. This tells me that the mounting holes aren't even on both sides. check their distances from the long edge to be sure. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-25-2002, 01:33 AM	#3
zoson Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: X Posts: 204	Hey guys, my maze3 arrived a few days ago, but I've been busy with other matters (roasted mobo and xp1800+) )(@%)(!%(@)! but anyway. My top also had countersunk screws. The top was severely cracked. I had a radial crack that went from the bottom right countersunk screw to the right barb. The top leaks because of this. The base of my block was flat, I checked it against an architect's slide rule, and no lapping was needed. Although the corners of my block were tapered... They slanted inwards as you went from top to bottom, which I thought was odd. DD trying to save materials? I would offer pictures, but my computer is in such bad shape right now that I don't even have USB. -Zoson __________________ Core i7 930 @ 4254Hz 22x193 \| ASUS R3E 901 BIOS \| 12GB Mushkin Blackline 3x4GB @ 1547MHz 7-8-7-24-1N \| Lian Li PC-A10B 2x EVGA GTX275 SLI @ 720/1266/1566 \| 2x 80GB Intel X25-M G2 SSD Raid 0 \| 3x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint 7.2K Raid 5 \| Corsair 950TX H2O \| Enzotech Sapphire Rev.A \| EK-FB RE3 \| Swiftech - 2x MCW60/GTX275 Unisink, MCP655b, MCRes Micro.v2 \| 3x HWLabs SR1-120 あなたの神への弓 Time isn't wasted, when you're gettin' wasted.

04-25-2002, 03:57 AM	#4
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	Del, that pic looks to be fairly accurate. ECU - thats why it's 5/16 on one side and 3/16 on the other. Zos, really bad luck to have a Maze3 that leaks out of the box __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

04-25-2002, 11:20 AM	#5
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	wow. I totally didn't see that other measurement.. sorry. :shrug: __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-25-2002, 11:40 AM	#6
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	a 7/16 drilled hole is the proper size for a 1/4 npt tap...that is not a regular tap...its tapered and they are called a 1/4 pipe tap...its not a 1/4-20 standard tap __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

04-25-2002, 12:06 PM	#7
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	why not just take the top off and trace it on a piece of paper? lol __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

04-26-2002, 01:25 AM	#9
Del Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5	Does anyone know where i could get a 3" x 2 1/16" x 3/8" piece of copper?

04-26-2002, 01:29 AM	#10
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	look at http://www.mcmaster.com , under metals, copper, sheet, and then pick your size. You'll probably have to buy a square foot, but you can check. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-26-2002, 06:00 PM	#11
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	www.onlinemetals.com __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

04-26-2002, 06:14 PM	#12
Del Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5	do they sell copper blocks in this size at hardware stores? and also, on the mcmaster website, I was wondering what size tap i get, the 1/4"-18 NPT or the 1/2"-14 NPT. What is messing me up is the use of the " sign... I thought that NPT was a pipe measurement, not a size.

04-26-2002, 06:30 PM	#13
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	1/4 in NPT (Nation pipe thread) __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

04-27-2002, 05:40 PM	#14
Del Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5	I went to the local hardware store and picked up a 1/4-18 NF tap... Will this work? Edit: On further inspection, I found that it said on the tap 1/4-18 NPT, but the packaging said NF. Anyways, onto another question. I'm going to do this on a 1/4 piece of copper, as opposed to a 3/8 piece of lucite that dangerden used. This is because the 1/4 x 3 1/2 pieces of copper are on clearance at onlinemetals. Anyways, my question is, how deep should i go with the tap. I tried the tap out on the holes tapped in dangerden's lucite top and i found it would only go halfway until it started taking out plastic. Does this mean i should only go halfway with my tap into the copper? Thanks for your help Last edited by Del; 04-27-2002 at 10:04 PM.

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