should I get a spir@l block?

mkosem · 08-21-2001, 03:00 PM

anyone have any info on them? I'm not too keen to their performance. Joe, will you be including that block in the roundup?

--Matt

Mumrik · 08-21-2001, 04:30 PM

1) The best place for info on that block is the [H]ardforum, just do a search, or ask Fixittt (he makes the blocks)

The block has not yet been tested anywhere

2) In your other thread Joe said that Fixittt was sending him one, I guess that means it will be tested as soon as possible..

mkosem · 08-21-2001, 04:43 PM

ahh yes, thank you for reminding me. I have poor short term memory for some reason(probably the water wetter fumes)

--Matt

Eldraad · 08-21-2001, 08:17 PM

Actually, I have block #8 of the "Window" version (ordered a full copper but he Upgraded my order). I had been using an aluminum block and a copper based block (looks like the polyblock but home made) and the temps went down to an idle/surf temp of 103F in an 84F room...on a T-Bird 1.2 at 1.4 something (vid card doen't like the 1.5 plus area). I was seeing 125F with a WBK38 and around 116F with my version of the polyblock.

In other words..I am very glad I made the purchase (first time for the web). I got it mainly because I was following the threads when fixittt first started posting the design and thought that it HAD to be good.

It weighs a TON however. I switched from nylon mounting bolts (four hole mount on motherboard)to the steel ones as I was sure the weight of the block would break them! It is very heavy. I can't compare it with Dangerden or any others for you But can only say I am glad I bought the Spiral block. Fixittt did state that the blocks were unlapped and you would need a little bit of time with the sandpaper...I spent all of three minutes sanding, used radio shack goop and am very happy. Sooo, I really hope the review comes along soon for those who are in agony waiting to see which block to get, be it Fixittt's or Dangerden or other.

By the way:
1.2 T-bird at 1.4 (vid card has problems at 1.5 plus)
MSI K7T turbo (no raid)
235 gal fish tank pump (but good head height)
6 1/4 X 6 1/2 Heatercore (autozone $26)
3/8 ID tubing

...just incase someone wanted to know.

GuyBFF · 08-22-2001, 02:04 AM

Hey Eldraad, why would your video card not like 1.5g? Are you not able to increase your multiplier so as not to raise bus speeds higher than your video card "likes"?

Eldraad · 08-22-2001, 09:22 AM

I am not really sure why. I do not seem to have a bios setting for 1/4, 1/2 etc speed dividers. I begin to get what I assume are artifacts (dotted lines and remains of images etc) When I sit above 1.5. The block can handle the higher speed and the extra heat from the raised voltage but very quicky the video goes up the spout to screen locks as well, although sounds are heard okay. I will be trying the AGP Drive forece in the bios just need to pull the system apart so I can clear the bios all the time. I SHOULD update the bios as it is the first shiiped when the board came out. BUT, once burned twice shy etc, had bios problems with original system and ended up buying a replacement from Badflash.com so I want to try what I have before flashing.

Eldraad · 08-22-2001, 09:24 AM

Humm didn't see the edit button...
The vid card is an eVGA Geforce2 MX-400 64 meg core speed 200 Mhz and memory speed 334 Mhz not overclocked by NVmax.

GuyBFF · 08-22-2001, 06:24 PM

I'm just saying if the 1.2ghz was originally running at 133 mhz x 9 and your cranking the FSB to 155 x 9 to get 1400, your AGP would go from 66 to 77!

Try raising the multiplier from 9 to 11 so you can keep the FSB at low 136 to reach 1500, and not affect the AGP bus. To the video card this wouldn't look any different than stock (well, 2mhz more).

If this runs stable then experiment with other combinations of higher FSB' and lower multipliers to overclock the bus as much as the memory, cards and motherboard will handle (which greatly affects performance).

How is the cooling going? Has anything helped?

resago · 08-23-2001, 01:57 PM

you can use an old turbo button hooked up to the clear bios jumper to make reseting the bios easy.

dantheman · 08-24-2001, 10:09 AM

Resago, that is the smartest thing I have ever heard. I have my turbo button turning on my comptuer right now, but heck, my old on button could do that! whoo whoO! /me runs off to install his on button as a bios reset switch

LiquidCool · 08-24-2001, 11:28 AM

Just make sure not to hit it while it's running!

mkosem · 08-24-2001, 11:47 AM

huh, my radeon is fine with the agp bus at 100mhz(can you say...BX?). I can't understand why these nVidia cards are so sensitive to the bus speed.

--Matt

08-21-2001, 03:00 PM	#1
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	should I get a spir@l block? anyone have any info on them? I'm not too keen to their performance. Joe, will you be including that block in the roundup? --Matt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

08-21-2001, 04:43 PM	#3
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	ahh yes, thank you for reminding me. I have poor short term memory for some reason(probably the water wetter fumes) --Matt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

08-21-2001, 08:17 PM	#4
Eldraad Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 12	Actually, I have block #8 of the "Window" version (ordered a full copper but he Upgraded my order). I had been using an aluminum block and a copper based block (looks like the polyblock but home made) and the temps went down to an idle/surf temp of 103F in an 84F room...on a T-Bird 1.2 at 1.4 something (vid card doen't like the 1.5 plus area). I was seeing 125F with a WBK38 and around 116F with my version of the polyblock. In other words..I am very glad I made the purchase (first time for the web). I got it mainly because I was following the threads when fixittt first started posting the design and thought that it HAD to be good. It weighs a TON however. I switched from nylon mounting bolts (four hole mount on motherboard)to the steel ones as I was sure the weight of the block would break them! It is very heavy. I can't compare it with Dangerden or any others for you But can only say I am glad I bought the Spiral block. Fixittt did state that the blocks were unlapped and you would need a little bit of time with the sandpaper...I spent all of three minutes sanding, used radio shack goop and am very happy. Sooo, I really hope the review comes along soon for those who are in agony waiting to see which block to get, be it Fixittt's or Dangerden or other. By the way: 1.2 T-bird at 1.4 (vid card has problems at 1.5 plus) MSI K7T turbo (no raid) 235 gal fish tank pump (but good head height) 6 1/4 X 6 1/2 Heatercore (autozone $26) 3/8 ID tubing ...just incase someone wanted to know. __________________ If at first you don't succeed get a bigger hammer...then blow the sucker up!

08-22-2001, 02:04 AM	#5
GuyBFF Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Winnipeg, MB, CA Posts: 242	Hey Eldraad, why would your video card not like 1.5g? Are you not able to increase your multiplier so as not to raise bus speeds higher than your video card "likes"? __________________ A7V8X Danger Den Maze II Danner Mag Drive 350 Heater Core Style Rad Thunderbird 1400 (Soon Barton) 512mb PC2700 CL2 Promise SX4000 Raid 5 w/256mb PC133 Cache 4x40gb Western Digital 7200hdd Plus More...

08-22-2001, 09:22 AM	#6
Eldraad Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 12	I am not really sure why. I do not seem to have a bios setting for 1/4, 1/2 etc speed dividers. I begin to get what I assume are artifacts (dotted lines and remains of images etc) When I sit above 1.5. The block can handle the higher speed and the extra heat from the raised voltage but very quicky the video goes up the spout to screen locks as well, although sounds are heard okay. I will be trying the AGP Drive forece in the bios just need to pull the system apart so I can clear the bios all the time. I SHOULD update the bios as it is the first shiiped when the board came out. BUT, once burned twice shy etc, had bios problems with original system and ended up buying a replacement from Badflash.com so I want to try what I have before flashing. __________________ If at first you don't succeed get a bigger hammer...then blow the sucker up!

08-21-2001, 04:30 PM	#2
Mumrik Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 39	1) The best place for info on that block is the [H]ardforum, just do a search, or ask Fixittt (he makes the blocks) The block has not yet been tested anywhere 2) In your other thread Joe said that Fixittt was sending him one, I guess that means it will be tested as soon as possible..

08-22-2001, 09:24 AM	#7
Eldraad Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 12	Humm didn't see the edit button... The vid card is an eVGA Geforce2 MX-400 64 meg core speed 200 Mhz and memory speed 334 Mhz not overclocked by NVmax. __________________ If at first you don't succeed get a bigger hammer...then blow the sucker up!

08-22-2001, 06:24 PM	#8
GuyBFF Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Winnipeg, MB, CA Posts: 242	I'm just saying if the 1.2ghz was originally running at 133 mhz x 9 and your cranking the FSB to 155 x 9 to get 1400, your AGP would go from 66 to 77! Try raising the multiplier from 9 to 11 so you can keep the FSB at low 136 to reach 1500, and not affect the AGP bus. To the video card this wouldn't look any different than stock (well, 2mhz more). If this runs stable then experiment with other combinations of higher FSB' and lower multipliers to overclock the bus as much as the memory, cards and motherboard will handle (which greatly affects performance). How is the cooling going? Has anything helped? __________________ A7V8X Danger Den Maze II Danner Mag Drive 350 Heater Core Style Rad Thunderbird 1400 (Soon Barton) 512mb PC2700 CL2 Promise SX4000 Raid 5 w/256mb PC133 Cache 4x40gb Western Digital 7200hdd Plus More...

08-23-2001, 01:57 PM	#9
resago Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: state of denial Posts: 488	you can use an old turbo button hooked up to the clear bios jumper to make reseting the bios easy. __________________ 2.4Ghz Compaq Workstation 2.8Ghz Custom 2700+ Custom still running 2000!!!! Help with Coding www.resago.com

08-24-2001, 10:09 AM	#10
dantheman Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 152	Resago, that is the smartest thing I have ever heard. I have my turbo button turning on my comptuer right now, but heck, my old on button could do that! whoo whoO! /me runs off to install his on button as a bios reset switch

08-24-2001, 11:28 AM	#11
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	Just make sure not to hit it while it's running!

08-24-2001, 11:47 AM	#12
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	huh, my radeon is fine with the agp bus at 100mhz(can you say...BX?). I can't understand why these nVidia cards are so sensitive to the bus speed. --Matt

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