Really cheap SCSI (not an ad!!!)

Arcturius · 10-12-2002, 12:05 AM

Again this is not an ad.

I just found a deal that some of you guys might be interested in.

Moderators: please let me know if this fits better in another area.

DEAL:
I was just reading storagereview.com, and noticed they had a promo going with hypermicro.com, where you get a bare LSI Logic ultra160 host adapter with any UltraStar 36Z15 they offer.
The catch is that you have to enter SR-Z15 in the comments section of your order, don't forget that!

<edit>After reading Joe's words of wisdom, you will need to get a terminator in addition to the cable, since the card is a whitebox model--bare card, nothing else.</edit>

Get it here: www.hypermicro.com
A pic of the adapter (or at least one with the same chip) is here(different vendor!): http://www.pcprogress.com/product.asp?m1=pw&pid=LSIU160

Here's the page for the 36Z15: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/ultra/ul36z15.htm

Good luck everybody! I'm off to try to talk the missus into letting me replace my old, clunky 9ZX.

Joe · 10-12-2002, 10:41 AM

Nice! But you will need a Terminator. I have run and worked with SCSI for the last 14 years, and Termpwr is NOT the same as termination of the channel. No multimode (SE/LVD) drives come with full bus termination anymore since you need to have an Active LVD terminator for the bus.

But still nice! ( since I got like 5 ot 6 extra terminators at work

)

bigben2k · 10-12-2002, 11:37 AM

Not bad. I had to check out the SR review about the drive, and I'll pass on this one, but I'll probably regret it later.

Notes: drive runs very hot. OEM comes with 1 year warranty ($129), otherwise comes with 5 year warranty ($199). Prices are for 18GB unit, is also available in 37 GB.

Brad · 10-14-2002, 02:26 AM

they are very nice drives for sure, but they just run too damned hot for my tastes, especially with only a one year warranty...

Although I haven't pricewatch'ed it, this deal probably isn't too good overall, bearing in mind you have to buy a cable, and have 4 years less warranty

Arcturius · 10-14-2002, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
they are very nice drives for sure, but they just run too damned hot for my tastes, especially with only a one year warranty...

Although I haven't pricewatch'ed it, this deal probably isn't too good overall, bearing in mind you have to buy a cable, and have 4 years less warranty

Good point, Brad. The cable is pretty cheap (3-position :controller, drive, terminator, PVC insulated cable is $12), but the terminator is $30. I have this stuff laying around, so I just took it for granted that these things couldn't be too expensive.

I did the legwork for you, and since the deal only applies to five different drives, I'll list them with the lowest PriceWatch price for everybody's convenience, and then I'll shut up. It looks like they're on the low end for price, but not necessarily by a lot.

18.4GB, 68 pin interface 1Y warranty: $129, PW: $126: Axion QuickSell
18.4GB, SCA2 w/68 pin adapter, 5Y warranty: $179, PW:Lowest is HyperMicrosystems by $7
36.7GB, 68 pin interface 1Y warranty: $229, PW:Lowest is HM by $11
36.7GB, SCA2 w/68 pin adapter, 1Y warranty: $199, PW:N/A
36.7GB, SCA2 w/68 pin adapter, 5Y warranty: $329, PW:Lowest is HM by $34

Moderators: please let me know if I'm overstepping any bounds by listing prices (or with this thread in general)

Arcturius · 11-03-2002, 03:16 PM

Well, I got one a few days ago, and I must say I am very pleased.
The drive runs much cooler than I expected--by the super-scientific index finger method, the 36GB model runs about at warm as my 60GB IBM 120GXP.
It is very quiet (much quieter than my 7200 and 5400 RPM Maxtors) but the noise it does make is very high pitched. (About 15kHz

) Seeks are loud, but not as nearly loud as my DGVS09U.

The controller is a LSI8955U, with a LSI53C1010 chip. The documentation I was able to find lists it as a single channel 64-bit 66MHz PCI card, but the docs also say the card is supposed to have a LSI53C1000 chip. It is supposed to be backwards compatible with 32-bit 66MHz PCI, but works fine (so far) in a 32-bit 33MHz PCI slot, for me.
The card's BIOS shows two channels, though, and both Win98 and W2K install the drivers twice, once for each channel. (well, W2K does; Win98 hangs when trying to install the drivers for the second channel...)
The card has one internal 68-pin and one external 68-pin header, but the PCB layout can accomodate another 68-pin and a 50-pin internal header. I haven't had a chance to do any testing to see if the installed headers are actually on separate channels (which I would doubt), or if I'll have to do some soldering to access the second channel.

10-12-2002, 12:05 AM	#1
Arcturius Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin Posts: 294	Really cheap SCSI (not an ad!!!) Again this is not an ad. I just found a deal that some of you guys might be interested in. Moderators: please let me know if this fits better in another area. DEAL: I was just reading storagereview.com, and noticed they had a promo going with hypermicro.com, where you get a bare LSI Logic ultra160 host adapter with any UltraStar 36Z15 they offer. The catch is that you have to enter SR-Z15 in the comments section of your order, don't forget that! <edit>After reading Joe's words of wisdom, you will need to get a terminator in addition to the cable, since the card is a whitebox model--bare card, nothing else.</edit> Get it here: www.hypermicro.com A pic of the adapter (or at least one with the same chip) is here(different vendor!): http://www.pcprogress.com/product.asp?m1=pw&pid=LSIU160 Here's the page for the 36Z15: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/ultra/ul36z15.htm Good luck everybody! I'm off to try to talk the missus into letting me replace my old, clunky 9ZX. Last edited by Arcturius; 10-14-2002 at 06:33 PM.

10-12-2002, 10:41 AM	#2
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Nice! But you will need a Terminator. I have run and worked with SCSI for the last 14 years, and Termpwr is NOT the same as termination of the channel. No multimode (SE/LVD) drives come with full bus termination anymore since you need to have an Active LVD terminator for the bus. But still nice! ( since I got like 5 ot 6 extra terminators at work) __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

10-12-2002, 11:37 AM	#3
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Not bad. I had to check out the SR review about the drive, and I'll pass on this one, but I'll probably regret it later. Notes: drive runs very hot. OEM comes with 1 year warranty ($129), otherwise comes with 5 year warranty ($199). Prices are for 18GB unit, is also available in 37 GB. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

10-14-2002, 02:26 AM	#4
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	they are very nice drives for sure, but they just run too damned hot for my tastes, especially with only a one year warranty... Although I haven't pricewatch'ed it, this deal probably isn't too good overall, bearing in mind you have to buy a cable, and have 4 years less warranty __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

11-03-2002, 03:16 PM	#6
Arcturius Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin Posts: 294	Well, I got one a few days ago, and I must say I am very pleased. The drive runs much cooler than I expected--by the super-scientific index finger method, the 36GB model runs about at warm as my 60GB IBM 120GXP. It is very quiet (much quieter than my 7200 and 5400 RPM Maxtors) but the noise it does make is very high pitched. (About 15kHz ) Seeks are loud, but not as nearly loud as my DGVS09U. The controller is a LSI8955U, with a LSI53C1010 chip. The documentation I was able to find lists it as a single channel 64-bit 66MHz PCI card, but the docs also say the card is supposed to have a LSI53C1000 chip. It is supposed to be backwards compatible with 32-bit 66MHz PCI, but works fine (so far) in a 32-bit 33MHz PCI slot, for me. The card's BIOS shows two channels, though, and both Win98 and W2K install the drivers twice, once for each channel. (well, W2K does; Win98 hangs when trying to install the drivers for the second channel...) The card has one internal 68-pin and one external 68-pin header, but the PCB layout can accomodate another 68-pin and a 50-pin internal header. I haven't had a chance to do any testing to see if the installed headers are actually on separate channels (which I would doubt), or if I'll have to do some soldering to access the second channel.

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