Is my Jagged Edge WB out of date?

[mmakay]

I've been using my original Jagged Edge waterblock from BeCooling forever. I was wondering if trying something more up to date would net me any notable gains. I'm already setup for 3/8" so I'm not really interested in going to 1/2" any time soon. Building my own block is a real possibility, but only if it's going to gain me something. (The workshop is stocked with drillpress and Dremel, but no mill....)

The rig is an Athlon XP box with the following:
- '97 Escort Heatercore w/ 2 shrouded 120mm fans
- 3/8" Tygon throughout
- Mag 5 pump
- Northbridge & GPU blocks parallel to cpu

[The Overclocker]

yes, it used to be a good waterblock but since then there have been much better waterblocks made, however i do no not recomend upgrading to an expensive shop-bought waterblock is your is still doinging what it is mean to.

making one is still a posability, as rotors blocks are made with a drill press and dremal, for details construction tips on making a block like his look at this: http://www.overclockers.com/tips997/ (and look at the c/w rating of 0.07!)

[Since87]

All the evidence to date points to Cathar's White Water block being the best block you can buy, by a large margin. (I'm eagerly awaiting BillA's performance testing data.)

I believe he will ship it with 3/8" barbs. You can probably PM him for details.

[BillA]

Originally posted by The Overclocker
. . . . (and look at the c/w rating of 0.07!)

Owenator is a friend of mine,
but that is a REALLY genuine stupid number

suggest you NOT quote such things, because then YOU look stupid also

EDIT: BTW, I have that particular wb to test as part of JoeC's "Roundup" on OC,
2 weeks or so, several other wbs ahead of it

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by unregistered
Owenator is a friend of mine,
but that is a REALLY genuine stupid number

suggest you NOT quote such things, because then YOU look stupid also

EDIT: BTW, I have that particular wb to test as part of JoeC's "Roundup" on OC,
2 weeks or so, several other wbs ahead of it

i do agree that it is a stupid number, but he may be getting those tempratures in his computer, and if so then by his measurements a c/w of 0.07 is true

i dont agree that it makes me look stupid, all i am doping is quoting from the article - the sign as my avatar saying 'im with stupid' makes me look stupid

i dont think you have published the results for you test, when do you plan to, and would you are gree that this type of waterblock is, (when compared to the other types of waterblock that can be made with this tooling) the best option and will give the best performance?

i think it will, which is why i recomended it - the c/w of 0.07 may not be true, but it probably is a better waterblock then the jagged edge (i can provide one if you want to test it)

[BillA]

Originally posted by The Overclocker
i do agree that it is a stupid number, but he may be getting those tempratures in his computer, and if so then by his measurements a c/w of 0.07 is true
. . . .

you might want to cogitate on what you said here
what does "true" mean ?

I suggest:
IF true
then
NOT stupid

so . . . .

[mmakay]

Sounds like I need to start planning a block of my own. I've been trolling the custom block posts, I just need to sketch something out and obtain some copper. Anybody know a place in Dallas, TX that sells scrap or cut-offs cheap??

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by unregistered
you might want to cogitate on what you said here
what does "true" mean ?

I suggest:
IF true
then
NOT stupid

so . . . .

putting a great waterblock on a 10 watt source will probably result in a temprature difference that is almost not noticable (and porbably withing the error margin of the equipment used to measure it)

so.....

this would end up with a c/w of 0

this measurement would be true

but looking at the meathod then we would soon see the test was not fair, yet the result would seem correct,

just as the multihole waterblock maked by own would seem to get a c/w of 0.07 as measured by him, this does not suggest he is wrong, just his test itsn't good.

[airspirit]

The Jagged Edge is a perfectly acceptable block, if you don't mind running 3/8". I use two (Black Edge) in a duplex cooling system and they function fine.

[mmakay]

Originally posted by airspirit
The Jagged Edge is a perfectly acceptable block, if you don't mind running 3/8". I use two (Black Edge) in a duplex cooling system and they function fine.

"Perfectly acceptable" isn't really my goal. I'm looking for "as good as any 3/8" block" or I'll change it. Hey, if I can drop a few degrees, I want to.

[jtroutma]

I use to have the "jagged edge" and upgraded to the TC-4. I was very happy with the results. Cant quote actual drops in temps but I do know that it was worth it (I think about 2-3C; dont quote me though)

I personally like the 4 mounting holes approach a LOT better than the clamps I had to use with the "jagged edge." That alone was worth the extra money, and the block just looked cooler

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by jtroutma
I use to have the "jagged edge" and upgraded to the TC-4. I was very happy with the results. Cant quote actual drops in temps but I do know that it was worth it (I think about 2-3C; dont quote me though)

I personally like the 4 mounting holes approach a LOT better than the clamps I had to use with the "jagged edge." That alone was worth the extra money, and the block just looked cooler

i have always made my own hold downs, i am also planning to replace the top by desoldering it and replacing it with a large top incorperating the 4 holes

i feel a thick (5mm) acrilic hold down between the barbs works very well.

bear in mind that the jagged edge cam out neer the top in joes tests. yuo must be prepared to spend alot of money to get a better one

[mmakay]

Originally posted by The Overclocker
bear in mind that the jagged edge cam out neer the top in joes tests. yuo must be prepared to spend alot of money to get a better one

True, but those tests are a year old, and even then many of the blocks were not the latest models. Until we get part two of the test (didn't I hear that was coming soon?) I have to trust the experience and advice of others.....

[MadDogMe]

No offense to Joe meant!, but if that roundup was tested the same way that produced a result of 0.07C/W for the JE then I would completly discount it. H2o testing has been pushed a long way forward by BillA since then, I'd wait on the word of the man that no~one argues with (and wins ) before putting any greenbacks on it ...

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by MadDogMe
No offense to Joe meant!, but if that roundup was tested the same way that produced a result of 0.07C/W for the JE then I would completly discount it. H2o testing has been pushed a long way forward by BillA since then, I'd wait on the word of the man that no~one argues with (and wins ) before putting any greenbacks on it ...

well, if you had bothered to read the article/review then yupo would have realsied that it had been done very well, definatly the best waterblock roundup i have seen and very close to the quality of billA's reviews

waterblock testing hasn't moved on at all, it shouldn't move on, just get more accurate

also, i belive that all the waterblocks featured in that round up WERE the latest models, so the Z3 in the test is exactly the same as any other Z3, same with the jagged egde waterbloc - it is still being sold now by becooling, but the have changed the name because it is now powercoated.

[mmakay]

Originally posted by The Overclocker
also, i belive that all the waterblocks featured in that round up WERE the latest models, so the Z3 in the test is exactly the same as any other Z3, same with the jagged egde waterbloc - it is still being sold now by becooling, but the have changed the name because it is now powercoated.

The review starts with this:

Due to the extreme lag in getting this review posted, many of these blocks are "ancient" and over 6 - 7 months old. _ Some are not even sold anymore, some are. _ With that considered the data for all the blocks is still very valid as it will help to show which designs excel in different areas. _ We are testing the block design, not the block name or MFG so age is irrelevant._ Some of the surfaces on the blocks may look oxidized and tarnished. Many of these were tested almost 4 months ago and have tarnished since then.

That's why I said that many of the blocks were out of date, even then. Yes, I know the Jagged Edge is still the same block being sold today, but that doesn't tell me how it compares to a Maze3 or TC-4 or etc., etc. ....

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by mmakay
The review starts with this:



That's why I said that many of the blocks were out of date, even then. Yes, I know the Jagged Edge is still the same block being sold today, but that doesn't tell me how it compares to a Maze3 or TC-4 or etc., etc. ....

oh, sorry, i agree with that - the way you phrased the post before with ' many of the blocks were not the latest models' made me confused. because a certan model is still the same model eg. a Z3 is still a Z3, it is just old now

all i was saying is that it was a good block, so i there is not so much of an eugancy to upgrade than if you had a crappy old waterblock

[The Overclocker]

Originally posted by mmakay
The review starts with this:



That's why I said that many of the blocks were out of date, even then. Yes, I know the Jagged Edge is still the same block being sold today, but that doesn't tell me how it compares to a Maze3 or TC-4 or etc., etc. ....

oh, sorry, i agree with that - the way you phrased the post before with ' many of the blocks were not the latest models' made me confused. because a certan model is still the same model eg. a Z3 is still a Z3, it is just old now

all i was saying is that it was a good block, so i there is not so much of an eugancy to upgrade than if you had a crappy old waterblock