Am I forked, I have a Z4 WB

psychofunk · 02-19-2003, 10:17 PM

I just read about battery effect or something and someone here did a test and the pics looked pretty nasty. The block in the pics looks different but it is still called the Z4. Am I ****ed, what will happen? Will all of my components get eatin or will only the block be eaten, or is this newer version better than the old?

Blackeagle · 02-19-2003, 10:51 PM

Aluminum has risks, that is why so many avoid it.

But using Purple Ice or other additives like it can minimize the risks so long as you change the water regulerly (6 months). And if the water goes dark (check it regulerly) that is your warning of sh!t's happening.

Was the thread titled, "No more aluminum" in the block makers forum? Some scary pixs in that one indeed.

Brad · 02-20-2003, 01:44 AM

if you've got a Z4 your main concern isn't battery effect, the main problem is that it performs like a piece of shit. Put it in the bin, buy a DDen or Swifty

psychofunk · 02-20-2003, 02:22 AM

Hard OCP showed that it performed almost as good as those that you mentioned, is Hard OCP full of it?

Volenti · 02-20-2003, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psychofunk
Hard OCP showed that it performed almost as good as those that you mentioned, is Hard OCP full of it?

Do you really want us to answer that?

Spamz0r · 02-20-2003, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Volenti
Do you really want us to answer that?

LOL

/insert cs audio

*fire in the hole

Blackeagle · 02-20-2003, 03:15 PM

You guys are a hoot.

Or perhaps it's [H] that's the real hoot.

jaydee · 02-20-2003, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psychofunk
I just read about battery effect or something and someone here did a test and the pics looked pretty nasty. The block in the pics looks different but it is still called the Z4. Am I ****ed, what will happen? Will all of my components get eatin or will only the block be eaten, or is this newer version better than the old?

Which version do you have? They sold 4 versions that I know of and I think there was another recently. All labled Z4, all with the same top but different bases. The tops are anodized to prevent corrosion and the battery effect, and tthey do use aluminum barbs. They do a pretty good job ot "preventing" corrosion. But preventing is only that, expect it to wear through sooner or later.

Here they still show the copper base:
http://www.cpufx.com/Merchant2/merch...tegory_Code=UC

AND then on their OTHER site:
http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...tegory_Code=WB

They had an e design for a while aswell and I am not going to get into how they came up with that.

Rayman2k2 · 02-20-2003, 06:22 PM

guys, dont make fun of [H].

psychofunk · 02-20-2003, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaydee116
Which version do you have? They sold 4 versions that I know of and I think there was another recently. All labled Z4, all with the same top but different bases. The tops are anodized to prevent corrosion and the battery effect, and tthey do use aluminum barbs. They do a pretty good job ot "preventing" corrosion. But preventing is only that, expect it to wear through sooner or later.

Here they still show the copper base:
http://www.cpufx.com/Merchant2/merch...tegory_Code=UC

AND then on their OTHER site:
http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...tegory_Code=WB

They had an e design for a while aswell and I am not going to get into how they came up with that.

I have the newest version, it does however have a copper base it is just like coated in silver stuff. I know this because I had to lap to make it 100% flat. I just want it to work for me for like 5 or 6 months as I have just recently dumped several benjis ($100's) into upgrades and I can't let go of another $50 for 1C or 2C.

As for HardOCP, hell yeah I wan't you to tell me if they are full of it. I am not a website guru and if they are full of it I want to know so that I can stop reading their reviews. I can't possible try every item out there so I rely on reviews to help guide me into the top 5 or so and then make my decision based on...hell I don't know, depends, the bottom line is if they are full of it I want to know.

When they let ATI have it for cheating on benchmarks I was really impressed as that to me is like saying, yeah we need your free stuff but **** it and **** you we won't back you cheatin asses.

jaydee · 02-21-2003, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psychofunk
I just want it to work for me for like 5 or 6 months

Fear not, it should be fine. Keep an eye on the water color. If the hose starts turning white it would be a good time to clean it and start with fresh distilled water and water wetter or equivelent.

Alaric_2000 · 02-21-2003, 05:36 AM

It's not a question of if they're full of it or not. You're a bloody fool if you rely on one source for all of your information. The [H] is a great site, but a lot of the 'l337's out there seem to have issues with them. When it comes to reviews, benchmarking, testing, etc., it's important to gather enough information to make your own decision. If you see results in line with one another then 9 times out of 10 they're accurate. The [H] is not a one-stop-shop, it's a piece of the bigger puzzle.

Quote:

Originally posted by psychofunk
I have the newest version, it does however have a copper base it is just like coated in silver stuff. I know this because I had to lap to make it 100% flat. I just want it to work for me for like 5 or 6 months as I have just recently dumped several benjis ($100's) into upgrades and I can't let go of another $50 for 1C or 2C.

As for HardOCP, hell yeah I wan't you to tell me if they are full of it. I am not a website guru and if they are full of it I want to know so that I can stop reading their reviews. I can't possible try every item out there so I rely on reviews to help guide me into the top 5 or so and then make my decision based on...hell I don't know, depends, the bottom line is if they are full of it I want to know.

When they let ATI have it for cheating on benchmarks I was really impressed as that to me is like saying, yeah we need your free stuff but **** it and **** you we won't back you cheatin asses.

psychofunk · 02-22-2003, 01:34 AM

Ahh damn it, well it not as if you can't already tell that I am a green horn but WTF does 'l337's mean? Please don't throw rocks a few tomato's some cabage okay but no rocks.

genesis · 02-22-2003, 03:15 AM

1337 = Leet = elite

Term born of the Hacker/Warez scene I believe. There's many variations of it.

pHaestus · 02-22-2003, 10:13 AM

HardOCP's expert tester has made statements that things such as the water temperature don't matter when testing waterblocks and that expensive, accurate testing "looks ghetto". I would place more weight on a review in a forum by a 14 year old with nothing but the in socket thermistor and his fingertip to measure temperatures. Why? Because that teen isnt making his living by handing out "Editor's Choice" awards.

As for the Z4, it's probably a pretty decent block. I think fixxitt and jaydee redesigned it for them in our forums pro bono

I dont use cpufx stuff for same reason I dont use OCZ ram. Their company's practices seem less than honest to me. Since that is the case, I can't comment from experience on their block.

I would suggest antifreeze instead of water wetter when mixing metals, however.

Brad · 02-23-2003, 11:59 AM

I don't use och stuff for the same reason I don't drive a lada. I like performance

Rayman2k2 · 02-23-2003, 01:25 PM

what kinda temps do you get with the Z4?

Pritorian · 02-23-2003, 01:42 PM

Hi guy´ s

Ivé got a Z4 Water block... i bought it becuase of the fact that i didn´t know any better then.. hehehe...

But i must say that i´m pretty happy with the block and it´s performs is pretty much OK...

it´s about 1 to 2c over å DD water block that a freind of mine has, not that bad...

Ivé used it almost a year now an there is now signs of any batterie effect starting or any ware on the plating inside...

Iv´e used only distilled water and Antifreez and it works great

All inn all i would say it´s a middel of the pack block..

Just one thing i had to do was changed the clamping bolts and nuts because they kept snaping off when they where put togheter a bit tight, LOL
Using steel now with nylon washers and it works great...

-P-

nexxo · 02-24-2003, 12:03 PM

Some people with Z4s seem pretty happy with its performance. Having said that, there's always better around.

Whatever the metals you use in your system, however, you can prevent the battery effect by just grounding (i.e. connecting to GND, or, say the metal case frame) the metal components (block, rad, res?) involved with a wire.

Pritorian · 02-24-2003, 12:25 PM

Grounde youre WB??

Are u sure about that?
Iv´e never heard about that done to a WB before...
Seen it on some HSF in some OEM computers (mostly Compaq ) but thats about it...

Anybody treid this?
:shrug:

-P-

nexxo · 02-24-2003, 12:35 PM

Should work. Battery effect doesn't take place if the two metals involved are in contact with each other. Grounding is a way of accomplishing that. Now most mobo mounting holes have a soldered edge, which is typically connected to the GND on the mobo. You mount a WB with metal screws, chances are you already ground the waterblock anyway. Rads often are mounted in a way that makes conductive contact with the case (through metal screws) so that one is taken care of too. Same with a metal res.

This does not deal with corrosion of course, so you still need an additive in your coolant to protect against that.

Arcturius · 02-24-2003, 12:44 PM

Did anyone else get that weird, deja vu feeling?

Quote:

Originally posted by nexxo
Should work. Battery effect doesn't take place if the two metals involved are in contact with each other. Grounding is a way of accomplishing that. Now most mobo mounting holes have a soldered edge, which is typically connected to the GND on the mobo. You mount a WB with metal screws, chances are you already ground the waterblock anyway. Rads often are mounted in a way that makes conductive contact with the case (through metal screws) so that one is taken care of too. Same with a metal res.

This does not deal with corrosion of course, so you still need an additive in your coolant to protect against that.

nexxo · 02-24-2003, 01:04 PM

I did for a second, browser posted my earlier post twice! Luckily I managed to correct that. As for the idea, I'm sure this forum has been here many, many times...

02-19-2003, 10:17 PM	#1
psychofunk Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 365	Am I forked, I have a Z4 WB I just read about battery effect or something and someone here did a test and the pics looked pretty nasty. The block in the pics looks different but it is still called the Z4. Am I ****ed, what will happen? Will all of my components get eatin or will only the block be eaten, or is this newer version better than the old?

02-20-2003, 01:44 AM	#3
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	if you've got a Z4 your main concern isn't battery effect, the main problem is that it performs like a piece of shit. Put it in the bin, buy a DDen or Swifty __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-20-2003, 06:22 PM	#9
Rayman2k2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 190	guys, dont make fun of [H]. __________________ -Insert Signature Here-

02-23-2003, 11:59 AM	#16
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I don't use och stuff for the same reason I don't drive a lada. I like performance __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-23-2003, 01:25 PM	#17
Rayman2k2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 190	what kinda temps do you get with the Z4? __________________ -Insert Signature Here-

02-19-2003, 10:51 PM	#2
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Aluminum has risks, that is why so many avoid it. But using Purple Ice or other additives like it can minimize the risks so long as you change the water regulerly (6 months). And if the water goes dark (check it regulerly) that is your warning of sh!t's happening. Was the thread titled, "No more aluminum" in the block makers forum? Some scary pixs in that one indeed.

02-20-2003, 02:22 AM	#4
psychofunk Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 365	Hard OCP showed that it performed almost as good as those that you mentioned, is Hard OCP full of it?

02-20-2003, 03:15 PM	#7
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	You guys are a hoot. Or perhaps it's [H] that's the real hoot.

02-22-2003, 01:34 AM	#13
psychofunk Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 365	Ahh damn it, well it not as if you can't already tell that I am a green horn but WTF does 'l337's mean? Please don't throw rocks a few tomato's some cabage okay but no rocks.

02-22-2003, 03:15 AM	#14
genesis Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UBC Posts: 13	1337 = Leet = elite Term born of the Hacker/Warez scene I believe. There's many variations of it.

02-22-2003, 10:13 AM	#15
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	HardOCP's expert tester has made statements that things such as the water temperature don't matter when testing waterblocks and that expensive, accurate testing "looks ghetto". I would place more weight on a review in a forum by a 14 year old with nothing but the in socket thermistor and his fingertip to measure temperatures. Why? Because that teen isnt making his living by handing out "Editor's Choice" awards. As for the Z4, it's probably a pretty decent block. I think fixxitt and jaydee redesigned it for them in our forums pro bono I dont use cpufx stuff for same reason I dont use OCZ ram. Their company's practices seem less than honest to me. Since that is the case, I can't comment from experience on their block. I would suggest antifreeze instead of water wetter when mixing metals, however.

02-23-2003, 01:42 PM	#18
Pritorian Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 201	Hi guy´ s Ivé got a Z4 Water block... i bought it becuase of the fact that i didn´t know any better then.. hehehe... But i must say that i´m pretty happy with the block and it´s performs is pretty much OK... it´s about 1 to 2c over å DD water block that a freind of mine has, not that bad... Ivé used it almost a year now an there is now signs of any batterie effect starting or any ware on the plating inside... Iv´e used only distilled water and Antifreez and it works great All inn all i would say it´s a middel of the pack block.. Just one thing i had to do was changed the clamping bolts and nuts because they kept snaping off when they where put togheter a bit tight, LOL Using steel now with nylon washers and it works great... -P- __________________ Boo!

02-24-2003, 12:03 PM	#19
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	Some people with Z4s seem pretty happy with its performance. Having said that, there's always better around. Whatever the metals you use in your system, however, you can prevent the battery effect by just grounding (i.e. connecting to GND, or, say the metal case frame) the metal components (block, rad, res?) involved with a wire. __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

02-24-2003, 12:25 PM	#20
Pritorian Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 201	Grounde youre WB?? Are u sure about that? Iv´e never heard about that done to a WB before... Seen it on some HSF in some OEM computers (mostly Compaq ) but thats about it... Anybody treid this? :shrug: -P- __________________ Boo!

02-24-2003, 12:35 PM	#21
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	Should work. Battery effect doesn't take place if the two metals involved are in contact with each other. Grounding is a way of accomplishing that. Now most mobo mounting holes have a soldered edge, which is typically connected to the GND on the mobo. You mount a WB with metal screws, chances are you already ground the waterblock anyway. Rads often are mounted in a way that makes conductive contact with the case (through metal screws) so that one is taken care of too. Same with a metal res. This does not deal with corrosion of course, so you still need an additive in your coolant to protect against that. __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness" Last edited by nexxo; 02-24-2003 at 12:41 PM.

02-24-2003, 01:04 PM	#23
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	I did for a second, browser posted my earlier post twice! Luckily I managed to correct that. As for the idea, I'm sure this forum has been here many, many times... __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

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