Water-X CPU Water Cooler

bigben2k · 02-03-2003, 10:29 AM

Did anyone catch this:
http://www.1coolpc.com/waterx.htm

I think it's garbage... Anyone else?

gmat · 02-03-2003, 10:46 AM

How the hell is it supposed to work ??

Anyway all i see is a standard heatsink, far above the CPU so it will be less efficient than a conventional HS with similar design (folded fins).

Now that i think about it... [H] could do a [H]yper review about that [H]yper looking product ....

pHaestus · 02-03-2003, 10:47 AM

Not to even get into a discussion of things like "would it cool worth a crap?", I have a question:

Isn't it a pretty bad idea to put a vibration source (magnetic pump) on top of your CPU?

Can't say I would do that...

Kevin · 02-03-2003, 11:59 AM

Not sure if I'd want a mag drive pump sitting on top of my CPU, so close to my memory / harddrive...
-Kev

golovko · 02-03-2003, 12:14 PM

looks pretty shitty to me. i dont see how that pump could produce that much flow and that tiny ass heatsink/rad (whatever it is) could dissipate the heat produced by a modern cpu. plus, is that copper and aluminum in the same loop, doesnt that cause battery effect?

Roscal · 02-03-2003, 02:12 PM

A "review" here -> http://www.hartware.net/review.html?id=282 (Cooler King CP100 / german

)

It's ~14-15°C higher than a SLK800 on a XP 2200+ no o/c, so it's a poor rad very ugly

bigben2k · 02-03-2003, 02:42 PM

It's a diaphragm pump

jaydee · 02-03-2003, 02:49 PM

The one in this review http://www.hartware.net/review.html?id=282 must be a older version than the one in Bens link??? The one in bens link look like the Copper fins go much higher in the air.

Still though, just a bad thing. That mounting clip looks like a AMD CPU disaster in the works aswell.

bigben2k · 02-03-2003, 02:58 PM

I think you're right! But given that "the fan is a low noise 26.5cfm 60x20mm", who really cares?

There's no way it can perform significantly better than the one in the review.

It's simply a very, very bad product! It's more of an example of what people will do for a buck. Note how it's sold on consignment only: if the word gets around, no one will buy it, and the orders will be cancelled.

gone_fishin · 02-03-2003, 09:11 PM

That just goes to show that when you take individual pieces of sh*t and pile it up...........

mfpmax · 02-08-2003, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gone_fishin
That just goes to show that when you take individual pieces of sh*t and pile it up...........

You put it in a bag and set it on fire?

joemac · 02-08-2003, 07:35 PM

great idea wonder if this can be made to work.

winewood · 02-08-2003, 08:40 PM

I like the concept though. Thinks like vibration can be countered and compensated for. Thinking outside the box shouldn't automatically be branded. (Although I respect you guys opinion greatly) I am encouraged by this design that the multiple components that are currently separate can be effectively combined, albeit effective may come later down the road.

I would like to see some of the pro's make suggestions on possible improvements. Do you guys really think that if improved upon, this may or could work with some alterations?

I was impressed with the low profile of the unit personally. But, think its a waste of time if it can't beat the best non-water systems. But the idea is exciting.

jaydee · 02-08-2003, 08:51 PM

The only way this will work is if they make it a hell of a lot bigger. Which is obviously not going to be an option as it wouldn't fit. There is just not enough there to properly cool a 65+ watt heat load. if they upped the CFM on that fan to 80 or so that might help, but then it would be defeating the pourpose.

My opinion anyway.

joemac · 02-08-2003, 09:18 PM

I agree the unit needs to be a lot bigger. I don’t think vibration from the pump is such a problem. I think this pump is setup a lot like a fan and I cannot remember the last time I worried about the vibration from a fan.

gone_fishin · 02-09-2003, 10:07 AM

Seeing how cheap midtower or even full tower cases are these days, I think the best all in one aproach would be to integrate everything needed into the case itself and sell it that way. This has been attempted with products like the koolance but if I remember correctly that particular one fell short because of less than adequate componants and their orientation.

golovko · 02-09-2003, 12:17 PM

i agree with jaydee, this thing would have to be much larger to do any real kind of cooling, to the point where it would be unrealistic to attach it solely to the cpu socket. i think besides this things size, its key flaws are its rate of heat removal and the rate at which the heat is dissipated from the coolant. gone_fishin has a good point too. i think the only way this "stock watercooling" stuff is going to work is along the lines of the koolance setups.

Brad · 02-10-2003, 02:22 AM

that looks like complete shit.

maybe ocz will buy them out, get it running at DDR500, 3.8 volts, and put copper heat spreaders on the sides?

Leuf · 02-10-2003, 06:44 AM

Aren't heat pipes a much better approach for such a beast?

Here's a wacky idea. What if you packaged the radiator/ pump/ reservoir into an ATX sized PSU container, and sold it along with a waterblock and a watercooled PSU packaged into a 5 1/4 drive container. That probably isn't feasible or able to be done for reasonable cost either, but it would work in any atx case without any modding required.

winewood · 02-10-2003, 03:03 PM

What if....
Make the thing with good parts. This will increase the size dramatically. Make a support structure to hold unit up and inplace.. such as a telescopic pole that fits between mobo and case. Cut hole in case so heatsink can pop out of side. This way you can remove case door and still have unit mounted and stable. This way you remove the most heat adding component from the case.
This way you don't have to use junk, and you can still have 1 self contained unit. If you break it into 2 units or areas, this defeats the entire concept of one unit water cooling machine.

OR do like gone_fishin suggests and throw away the unit

then just make a case topper or case that has an area using GOOD parts. After all junk + junk only yeilds neatly stacked junk.

bigben2k · 02-10-2003, 03:50 PM

Xmas tree ornament...

airspirit · 02-10-2003, 06:20 PM

Problem one: mixing copper and aluminum. This is a good primer for Joe Sixpack in galvanic corrosion.

Problem two: an aluminum base. Right there, it is going to be nearly impossible for it to perform better than a normal copper aircooler. Why the extra weight?

Problem three: Low volume of coolant. That stuff is going to get very hot very quick, and because of --

Problem four: a miniscule radiator and 60mm fan (what the loud howler monkey fsck were they thinking?) will not be able to adequately cool the coolant.

Problem five: You're wasting power and allowing a submerged pump to further heat the coolant that is contained ON the die.

Therefore: The coolant will get very fscking hot, and in the end will serve to keep the CPU temp higher than a mediocre copper HSF could (and the HSF would probably be quieter). Is it any wonder that most every normal HSF in that review did better than that piece of crap?

If this had a documentary made about it, it would be titled "When Retards Strike" or "Emeril Meets AMD!" or "Who Wants To Be A Fscktard?".

bigben2k · 02-10-2003, 06:49 PM

#3 - low volume of coolant is not an issue. You could add a 10 gallon res in your rig, but it's only going to delay the time it takes to reach the balance point, where the rad dissipates the heat at the same rate as it's being put in.

But granted it'll reach that point a lot faster than we're used to!

I don't think that the pump is submerged, is it?

Who cares...

Xmas tree ornaments!

Coolingstuff · 02-11-2003, 04:20 PM

$53.99 at here It's CHEAPER! than
$60.00.I think, this guy is orginal.

joemac · 02-11-2003, 06:06 PM

I have to agree with everyone that thinks the case setup is the way to go. The problem with the Koolance unit was the radiator they were using was not adequate. I gather this not from owning one but by some of the reviews I have read. As for a submerge pump adding so much heat to a unit that it is render useless? I don’t know I never had a submerge pump add so much heat to a system where I felt it was an issue for me.
It takes a lot of money to create a cooling system for market whether it is an air or water system. Any one who knows of a review of this product please post.
Maybe [H] can do a review a least we will get plenty of pictures.

02-03-2003, 10:29 AM	#1
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02-03-2003, 11:59 AM	#4
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Not sure if I'd want a mag drive pump sitting on top of my CPU, so close to my memory / harddrive... -Kev __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

02-03-2003, 02:42 PM	#7
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02-03-2003, 02:58 PM	#9
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I think you're right! But given that "the fan is a low noise 26.5cfm 60x20mm", who really cares? There's no way it can perform significantly better than the one in the review. It's simply a very, very bad product! It's more of an example of what people will do for a buck. Note how it's sold on consignment only: if the word gets around, no one will buy it, and the orders will be cancelled. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-08-2003, 08:40 PM	#13
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	I like the concept though. Thinks like vibration can be countered and compensated for. Thinking outside the box shouldn't automatically be branded. (Although I respect you guys opinion greatly) I am encouraged by this design that the multiple components that are currently separate can be effectively combined, albeit effective may come later down the road. I would like to see some of the pro's make suggestions on possible improvements. Do you guys really think that if improved upon, this may or could work with some alterations? I was impressed with the low profile of the unit personally. But, think its a waste of time if it can't beat the best non-water systems. But the idea is exciting. __________________ -winewood-

02-03-2003, 10:46 AM	#2
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	How the hell is it supposed to work ?? Anyway all i see is a standard heatsink, far above the CPU so it will be less efficient than a conventional HS with similar design (folded fins). Now that i think about it... [H] could do a [H]yper review about that [H]yper looking product ....

02-03-2003, 10:47 AM	#3
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Not to even get into a discussion of things like "would it cool worth a crap?", I have a question: Isn't it a pretty bad idea to put a vibration source (magnetic pump) on top of your CPU? Can't say I would do that...

02-03-2003, 12:14 PM	#5
golovko Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Purdue University, USA Posts: 141	looks pretty shitty to me. i dont see how that pump could produce that much flow and that tiny ass heatsink/rad (whatever it is) could dissipate the heat produced by a modern cpu. plus, is that copper and aluminum in the same loop, doesnt that cause battery effect?

02-03-2003, 02:12 PM	#6
Roscal Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: North of France Posts: 198	A "review" here -> http://www.hartware.net/review.html?id=282 (Cooler King CP100 / german ) It's ~14-15°C higher than a SLK800 on a XP 2200+ no o/c, so it's a poor rad very ugly

02-03-2003, 02:49 PM	#8
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	The one in this review http://www.hartware.net/review.html?id=282 must be a older version than the one in Bens link??? The one in bens link look like the Copper fins go much higher in the air. Still though, just a bad thing. That mounting clip looks like a AMD CPU disaster in the works aswell.

02-03-2003, 09:11 PM	#10
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	That just goes to show that when you take individual pieces of sh*t and pile it up...........

02-08-2003, 07:35 PM	#12
joemac Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 339	great idea wonder if this can be made to work.

02-08-2003, 08:51 PM	#14
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	The only way this will work is if they make it a hell of a lot bigger. Which is obviously not going to be an option as it wouldn't fit. There is just not enough there to properly cool a 65+ watt heat load. if they upped the CFM on that fan to 80 or so that might help, but then it would be defeating the pourpose. My opinion anyway.

02-08-2003, 09:18 PM	#15
joemac Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 339	I agree the unit needs to be a lot bigger. I don’t think vibration from the pump is such a problem. I think this pump is setup a lot like a fan and I cannot remember the last time I worried about the vibration from a fan.

02-09-2003, 10:07 AM	#16
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	Seeing how cheap midtower or even full tower cases are these days, I think the best all in one aproach would be to integrate everything needed into the case itself and sell it that way. This has been attempted with products like the koolance but if I remember correctly that particular one fell short because of less than adequate componants and their orientation.

02-09-2003, 12:17 PM	#17
golovko Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Purdue University, USA Posts: 141	i agree with jaydee, this thing would have to be much larger to do any real kind of cooling, to the point where it would be unrealistic to attach it solely to the cpu socket. i think besides this things size, its key flaws are its rate of heat removal and the rate at which the heat is dissipated from the coolant. gone_fishin has a good point too. i think the only way this "stock watercooling" stuff is going to work is along the lines of the koolance setups.

02-10-2003, 02:22 AM	#18
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	that looks like complete shit. maybe ocz will buy them out, get it running at DDR500, 3.8 volts, and put copper heat spreaders on the sides? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-10-2003, 06:44 AM	#19
Leuf Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 56	Aren't heat pipes a much better approach for such a beast? Here's a wacky idea. What if you packaged the radiator/ pump/ reservoir into an ATX sized PSU container, and sold it along with a waterblock and a watercooled PSU packaged into a 5 1/4 drive container. That probably isn't feasible or able to be done for reasonable cost either, but it would work in any atx case without any modding required.

02-10-2003, 03:03 PM	#20
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	What if.... Make the thing with good parts. This will increase the size dramatically. Make a support structure to hold unit up and inplace.. such as a telescopic pole that fits between mobo and case. Cut hole in case so heatsink can pop out of side. This way you can remove case door and still have unit mounted and stable. This way you remove the most heat adding component from the case. This way you don't have to use junk, and you can still have 1 self contained unit. If you break it into 2 units or areas, this defeats the entire concept of one unit water cooling machine. OR do like gone_fishin suggests and throw away the unit then just make a case topper or case that has an area using GOOD parts. After all junk + junk only yeilds neatly stacked junk. __________________ -winewood-

02-10-2003, 03:50 PM	#21
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Xmas tree ornament... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-10-2003, 06:20 PM	#22
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Problem one: mixing copper and aluminum. This is a good primer for Joe Sixpack in galvanic corrosion. Problem two: an aluminum base. Right there, it is going to be nearly impossible for it to perform better than a normal copper aircooler. Why the extra weight? Problem three: Low volume of coolant. That stuff is going to get very hot very quick, and because of -- Problem four: a miniscule radiator and 60mm fan (what the loud howler monkey fsck were they thinking?) will not be able to adequately cool the coolant. Problem five: You're wasting power and allowing a submerged pump to further heat the coolant that is contained ON the die. Therefore: The coolant will get very fscking hot, and in the end will serve to keep the CPU temp higher than a mediocre copper HSF could (and the HSF would probably be quieter). Is it any wonder that most every normal HSF in that review did better than that piece of crap? If this had a documentary made about it, it would be titled "When Retards Strike" or "Emeril Meets AMD!" or "Who Wants To Be A Fscktard?". __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

02-10-2003, 06:49 PM	#23
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	#3 - low volume of coolant is not an issue. You could add a 10 gallon res in your rig, but it's only going to delay the time it takes to reach the balance point, where the rad dissipates the heat at the same rate as it's being put in. But granted it'll reach that point a lot faster than we're used to! I don't think that the pump is submerged, is it? Who cares... Xmas tree ornaments! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-11-2003, 04:20 PM	#24
Coolingstuff Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 3	$53.99 at here It's CHEAPER! than $60.00.I think, this guy is orginal.

02-11-2003, 06:06 PM	#25
joemac Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 339	I have to agree with everyone that thinks the case setup is the way to go. The problem with the Koolance unit was the radiator they were using was not adequate. I gather this not from owning one but by some of the reviews I have read. As for a submerge pump adding so much heat to a unit that it is render useless? I don’t know I never had a submerge pump add so much heat to a system where I felt it was an issue for me. It takes a lot of money to create a cooling system for market whether it is an air or water system. Any one who knows of a review of this product please post. Maybe [H] can do a review a least we will get plenty of pictures.

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