Intel vs. AMD

[trit187]

Not necesarilly trying to spark a huge debate (or maby I am) but with there currently released processors why buy amd? In the past amd has been cheaper with competitive speeds but right now there high end processors do not compete with intel, the amd 3200 costs $450 (lowest retail pricewatch quote) where the intel 3.0ghz costs $394
a couple links to tomshardware atricles which compare the two processors http://www4.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...lon_xp-22.html
http://www4.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030623/index.html
and for the future intel has the prescott waiting to be released which could also mean up to 35% price cuts of the p4. It will also pave the way for the tejas... AMD seems to be losing the battle

just interested to hear some opinions from the other side

http://www.globetechnology.com/servl...ry/Technology/

[sn_85]

well first off, no one likes or trusts tomshardware. but onto the topic at hand. you're comparing the top of the line amd to the second best intel. the top of the line intel cost more then the top amd. but the 3.0ghz p4 can still beat the 3200+. if you look down on the spectrum though you can see that amd has the advantage. a 2.4ghz p4 costs around $150 and a 2500+ barton costs like $95. and thats where amd has its advantage. in the lower market. heck even the 1.8ghz p4 costs more then the barton. thats why i buy amd. but if i were lookin for top of the line then intel has the advantage. im really waiting to see how Athlon64 performs though. or whatever version the desktop one is called. but the cost of new motherboards are so ridiculously high. i think the nForce3 costs like $299.

[airspirit]

The advantage of AMD is that I can take a $50 or less 1700+ and make it run faster and harder than that 3.2 P4. It is that simple.

[sn_85]

i mean, whats the point of watercooling if i cant make my proc go faster, cooler, and quieter.

[zoson]

Word. Lets not fight children... If I were a mod I would dead this thread. What purpose does it serve to ask such a loaded question when there are so many Intel Idiots and AMDroids just chomping at the bit to start a flamewar with each other???
Seriously, think before you post.
-Zoson

[Joe]

I enjoy my AMD's ... they are nice fast disposable CPU's... But I respect my Intel stuff. Intel may not be the fastest, or the cheapest, but its like the Porsche of CPU's... highly refined, smooth and outstanding chipsets, and Stability. ( to AMD's... Umm Jap sports car... like a supra.. fast, but nothing compared to the quality of a Porsche)

To me.. Intel is the only thing going in my next rig... but I will keep on pumping AMD chips into my dual AMD box till they arent supported ( currently I could go to the top end Barton's/MP's in this board still in this board).

Thinking I am going to wait for the next gen Xeons now... get some 667 FSB w/ loads of cache

[trit187]

kinda random question but has amd given any dates for the release of it's new processor, I'm excpecting intels around oct.(?) when they cut prices... i'm dying to see proformance increases with both groups.. and is there any of that data out there? I heard intel was starting to or had shiped pre releases to some of it's main suppliers

[sn_85]

word came from amd itself a/b a week ago that September23 would be the release date.

[Joe]

Hey thats my B-day! rock on!!! hehehe

[sn_85]

well if it comes on on ur bday are u really really sure u want an intel in ur next box?

here are some Opteron numbers
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...opteron-1.html

got a couple of game benches in there too.

[Joe]

Opteron does absolutely nothing for me. I would have thought I woulda been more excited.. but I am very BLAH over it... 64 bit is still too far away to take seriously ( too far away as in not going be be majory coded for, for years to come) and just cause it does ok for 32bit also doesnt mean its worth the insane cost. you are paying for half the core that you wont even use!

[jaydee]

Main reason I have stuck with AMD is Socket A adversity. You can drop in a Duron 600 or a Barton 3200+. The overclocking is nice because of unlocked or unlockable muilties. $41 XP1700+'s are getting over 2.5gigs! Hell even my crappy Tbred A will OC to 2gig! not bad for a $41 CPU... And you can get a semi modern board with all the OC ability you need for under $80.

[airspirit]

I'm waiting on the Opteron clone A64s in 90nm. Those are going to be sexy. The A64s that will be released on Joe and my wife's birthday aren't going to touch the 90nm ones ... and those are expected to be able to run in dual. I'll spring for those when the time comes and I'll probably do something insane to cool them like dual prometias or something outrageously expensive like that (I wonder if I can find a stirling cheap enough by then ... ?).
Can you imagine that? Turn the cage upside-down in a custom acrylic box so the PCI/PCI-Ex cards are vertical and the procs are facing down ... and have your drives and shiz in the empty space. It would be beautiful ....

[bigben2k]

I'mk too lazy: can someone run a price comparison of lower AMD vs Intel processors? I think that the top end ones are overpriced, any way you look at it.

[trit187]

$450 - Athlon XP 3200
$439 - Athlon XP 3200 400
$243 - Athlon XP 3000
$275 - Athlon XP 3000 400
$164 - Athlon XP 2800
$162 - Athlon XP 2800 333
$126 - Athlon XP 2700 333
$104 - Athlon XP 2600
$99 Athlon XP 2600 333
$87 - Athlon XP 2500
$86 Athlon XP 2500 333
$73 - Athlon XP 2400
$60 - Athlon XP 2200
$63 - Athlon XP 2100
$59 - Athlon XP 2000
$53 - Athlon XP 1900
$52 - Athlon XP 1800
$44 - Athlon XP 1700
$47 - Athlon XP 1600
$51 - Athlon XP 1500
$282 - Athlon MP 2800
$200 Athlon MP 2600
$157 - Athlon MP 2400
$127 - Athlon MP 2200
$199 - Athlon MP 2100
$122 - Athlon MP 2000
$131 - Athlon MP 1900
$130 - Athlon MP 1800
$115 - Athlon MP 1600
$108 - Athlon MP 1500
$55 - Athlon MP 1.2GHz
$75 - Athlon 1.4GHz 266 FSB
$149 - Athlon 1.4GHz 200 FSB
$42 - Athlon 1.33GHz 266 FSB
$52 - Athlon 1.3GHz 200 FSB
$47 - Athlon 1.2GHz 266 FSB
$53 - Athlon 1.2GHz 200 FSB
$49 - Athlon 1.13GHz 266 FSB
$29 - Athlon 1.1GHz 200 FSB
$39 - Athlon 1GHz 266 FSB
$41 - Athlon 1GHz 200 FSB Sock A
$33 - Athlon 850 200 FSB Sock A
$28 - Athlon 950 200 FSB Sock A
$45 - Athlon 900 200 FSB Sock A
$56 - Athlon 850 Slot A
$79 - Athlon 800 Slot A
$20 - Athlon 700 Slot A
$35 - Duron 1.3GHz
$31 - Duron 1.2GHz
$32 - Duron 1.1GHz
$38 - Duron 1GHz
$28 - Duron 950
$31 - Duron 900
$32 - Duron 850
$25 - Duron 800
$669 - Pentium 4 3.2GHz 800
$393 - Pentium 4 3.0GHz 800
$362 - Pentium 4 3.06GHz 533
$263 - Pentium 4 2.8GHz 800
$230 - Pentium 4 2.8GHz 533
$200 - Pentium 4 2.6GHz 800
$186 - Pentium 4 2.6GHz 533
$172 - Pentium 4 2.53GHz
$170 - Pentium 4 2.4GHz 800
$157 - Pentium 4 2.4GHz 533
$157 - Pentium 4 2.4GHz 400
$180 Pentium 4 2.2GHz 400
$154 - Pentium 4 2.26GHz 533
$154 - Pentium 4 2.26GHz
$148 Pentium 4 2.0GHz Sock 478
$112 - Pentium 4 2.0GHz
$134 - Pentium 4 1.9GHz Sock 478
$178 - Pentium 4 1.9GHz
$123 - Pentium 4 1.8GHz Sock 478
$132 - Pentium 4 1.8GHz
$114 Pentium 4 1.7GHz Sock 478
$139 - Pentium 4 1.7GHz
$114 - Pentium 4 1.6GHz Sock 478
$119 - Pentium 4 1.6GHz
$114 - Pentium 4 1.5GHz Sock 478
$117 - Pentium 4 1.5GHz
$116 - Pentium 4 1.4GHz Sock 478
$115 - Pentium 4 1.4GHz
$94 - Pentium 4 1.3GHz
$90 - Celeron 2.4GHz
$85 - Celeron 2.3GHz
$76 - Celeron 2.2GHz
$78 - Celeron 2.1GHz
$68 - Celeron 2.0GHz
$64 - Celeron 1.8GHz
$56 - Celeron 1.7GHz
$46 - Celeron 1.4GHz
$40 - Celeron 1.3GHz
$40 - Celeron 1.2GHz
$45 - Celeron 1.1GHz
$37 - Celeron 1GHz
$43 - Celeron 950
$39 - Celeron 900
$35 - Celeron 850
$40 - Celeron 800
$40 - Celeron 700
sorry about the lenght. those are the prices off of pricewatch.com so they reflect the lowest price available, not necessarly equal products, I'm also lazy and don't want to go in and check each, but if you request a few I've got some spare time tonight and will

[Yo-DUH_87]

I am an avid Intel user, and I have to say that while I prefer Intel processors, AMD isn't a bad alternative for those who don't have the money for Intel.

One think I don't like about AMDs is they tend to run hot, which I don't appreciate a whole lot.

Also, you hear about an aweful lot of mobo problems with AMD mobos, like them dropping dead for no reason what-so-ever. And the processors seem to be a little less reliable than their Intel counterparts. I've heard of very few dead Intel processors

Plus, as Joe mentioned, the Intel mobos tend to be a little nicer than the AMD ones feature-wise...

And while they are not the fastest all the time, they do have a definate advantage at the mo

AMD is not evil (although I joke about it ), but I honestly prefer Intel.

800MHz FSB

[TerraMex]

As far as i know, the problem is with the Nforce chipset , not the processors. nVidia gave the manufacturer's some specs that they didnt / had troubles implementing and that resulted in a whole lot of "dead" mobos, with IDE/SATA problems and soundstorm glitches. But then again, it was (was) a small number.

That, v'mods and some extreme overclocking , with poor voltage regulators (not poor, but not very good either) / out of specs power consumptions due to those "leet OC's" (i've seen a few, just because it said can take 14 amps, doesnt mean it can actually work 24/7 with 14 amps) , equals even more returns.

That's why there was so many dead ABit and Epox mobos (mainly). And not counting the 2nd rate capacitor incident, which Abit had to replace a good number of them. Anyway, my 0.02 about that. Maybe i'm wrong, and they just suck .

Im an AMD fan. They're cheap, they are reliable (havent had a problem yet, i still have a k6-2 and athlon 750 , both in working order) , they have good performance for the price (Barton's are really really cheap, getting one soon) so I see no need to buy something almost 3x expensive , just "because" it's Intel, when i can get all the performance i need for less.

As stability goes, i had a k7s5a earlier with SiS chipset, which i might add, is very good, under-rated most of the times. Rock solid. Changed to a Asus a7n8x , and still no real problems*. As features wise.... there is a whole lot of packages with just about everything you can think of.

* Doesnt like my OCZ memory. Works fine with my Kingston modules thou. And the OCZ was tested in 2 others motherboards and checks out, no problems. Weird stuff. Oh well, time to upgrade.

[Boli]

Originally posted by jaydee116
Main reason I have stuck with AMD is Socket A adversity. You can drop in a Duron 600 or a Barton 3200+. The overclocking is nice because of unlocked or unlockable muilties. $41 XP1700+'s are getting over 2.5gigs! Hell even my crappy Tbred A will OC to 2gig! not bad for a $41 CPU... And you can get a semi modern board with all the OC ability you need for under $80.

The fabled 1700+ whihc is actually the same core as my 2000+ chip(Though I cn't get mine above 2gig ) can actually get up to 2.4ghz on air and even higher on water and phasechange the max I am told is 3.2Ghz from a 1700+ chip!

But then you will need very expensive RAM and a decent mobo, which if you bought the bits as a barebones unit would be up there with the more expensive chips you are trying to emulate.

[jaydee]

Originally posted by Boli
The fabled 1700+ whihc is actually the same core as my 2000+ chip(Though I cn't get mine above 2gig ) can actually get up to 2.4ghz on air and even higher on water and phasechange the max I am told is 3.2Ghz from a 1700+ chip!

But then you will need very expensive RAM and a decent mobo, which if you bought the bits as a barebones unit would be up there with the more expensive chips you are trying to emulate.

You don't need expensive. The multiplier is unlocked, has nothing to do with FSB and good Ram. I got a stick of Kingston Value Ram PC2100 ($30 at the time) and I hit 2gigs with my $47 (at the time) TBred A with a $39 refurbed Abit kD7 with just multipler and 1900mhz and some change with FSB....

Not to shabby for $116 shipped!

[Brad]

IMHO up to 2800+ AMD have the advantage due to price concerns.

Above that the AMD cpu's don't ramp up in speed much (the 3200+ is only 133mhz more than the 2800+) and neither does performance. Meanwhile the intel performance keeps on going up. Even if it does cost a lot on the intel side

[ItsSoLARGE]

The advantage of AMD is that I can take a $50 or less 1700+ and make it run faster and harder than that 3.2 P4. It is that simple.

really? I thought the 1700s were only hitting like 2.3 ghz... I don't think that will be out doing a 3.2ghz p4

[jaydee]

Originally posted by ItsSoLARGE
really? I thought the 1700s were only hitting like 2.3 ghz... I don't think that will be out doing a 3.2ghz p4

If you get a good one they are well over 2.5gig. Best I seen is 2.9gigs stable but I havn't looked either. 2.5gig is pretty common for a good Tbred B even aircooled.

[ItsSoLARGE]

hmm... dammit jaydee... right when I had made up my mind to make the switch to intel...

[iroc409]

those opterons are so expensive it's disappointing. $850 for a processor? yuck!

i like amd for it's price/perfomance. and as far as motherboards, the abit at7-max2 i have has a ****ing awesome set of features, pretty much the top of the line as far as features just as any high-end board. i love this board.

i'll admit tho, for very mission-critical endeavors, intel is probably worth the extra $$. especially if you're looking for a server or a high-level non-oc'd workstation.

[airspirit]

I had a 1700+ that clocked to 2850 Mhz on watercooling. I sold it for a pretty penny ... I also have a 2500+ that clocks to 2550 and it is one sexy chip. I refuse to build intel based machines due to the extreme premium you pay for the Intel logo ... especially when considering that there are so many chip and socket variations that are incompatible. With socket A you have a highly upgradable and customizable platform to work.

With the first A64s that hit the market they will be doing the same stupid crap Intel has done ... it is when they come out with the "Athlopteron 64" chips next spring that the socket stability will set in. I feel sorry for the Socket 7XX people that buy this fall, because they will be missing out on one of AMD's greatest benefits.