Mike Magee hits it right on the head!

Joe · 12-03-2003, 01:36 PM

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12857

Mike has wrote an excelent editorial about the state of the review industry. He nails almost every thing I HATE about review sites.

Worth a read, and I cant wait for part 2.

I give his editorial, the new ProCooling "Editorial's Choice Award!" 9/10 rating!! 5 stars!

heheh the irony

jaydee · 12-03-2003, 01:53 PM

Glad I am not the only one seeing this. He hit some of the things I hate about modern tech sites aswell. I made a lengthy post in one of these threads here with my opinion which was pretty similar. Glad the they have the balls to bring it up!

EDIT: Here is my post: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=8440 If I was a little more civil I could write a book.

Joe · 12-03-2003, 02:00 PM

If you notice, and I sure as hell did, but procooling in almost every shape and form is a polar opposite from his description... I am happy bout that

he didnt rag on staffers being bastards in the forums so we are good there also

jaydee · 12-03-2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe
If you notice, and I sure as hell did, but procooling in almost every shape and form is a polar opposite from his description... I am happy bout that

he didnt rag on staffers being bastards in the forums so we are good there also

Yeah, it is one of the reasons ProCooling is the only site I browse anymore for cooling stuff. We had our differences but you are definatly going about things well here Joe. The ANAL bit gets a little old now and then though but one of the few sites I have faith in for decent information.

Yeah you damn staffers! The owner should be ashamed!

pHaestus · 12-03-2003, 02:29 PM

It's probably just a side effect of NOT being run by kids or even having a lot of kiddie forum members.

pHaestus · 12-03-2003, 03:09 PM

Somewhat related read where Michael Chrichton discusses all that is wrong with environmnetalism:

http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...s_quote05.html

Interesting because you can see without a doubt some parallels to the topic of hardware sites today and rampant fanboyism.

superart · 12-03-2003, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus
It's probably just a side effect of NOT being run by kids or even having a lot of kiddie forum members.

Wasn't anandtech started by a highschool kid?

Joe · 12-03-2003, 03:59 PM

Yep, your point? I dont remember anyone saying every review site is as bad as Mike has stated. just that most are.

superart · 12-03-2003, 04:07 PM

yea, but Ph was insinuating that a site could be good or bad as a result of being run by kids.

I was just saying, that's not always the case.

Joe · 12-03-2003, 04:09 PM

I think overall pH is exactly right. But kid is more of a measure of maturity than age. I know some 28 year old kiddies who run websites that are less mature than some 16 year olds.

Kiddies + website = shit. Its an almost perfect equasion with no rounding issues or anything

satanicoo · 12-03-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus

Interesting because you can see without a doubt some parallels to the topic of hardware sites today and rampant fanboyism.

This makes me remind about a portuguese forum i do visit.
All the PRO-users (lol) keep saying and saying that Aquacomputer is god and perfect. Even when its not.

They released a new water pump, Aquastream, based on the ehein 1046.
They say that it has more than enouf flow for all kind of water cooling systems, even the ones with CPU, NB, GPU HDD, etc etc, and i dont question them, because i dont know Aquacomputer blocks.

Yes they look nice.

But some users have apeared saying that their pump, after some times, or changing rigs, stopped working. The electronic part of it (with a jumper to fill the system, "pretty" lights to say its on or off) burns off with only some handling.
I said to go with normal eheims, since they dont have all those fancy stuff, work the same and are cheaper.

They went berserk saying it was perfect, there was no better, etc etc.
They are so blind with it they cant see its flawss...

Of course 95% of the users believe more on the GODs with 2k, 3k or 4k posts than anyone else...

pHaestus · 12-03-2003, 05:02 PM

same with AMD vs. Intel, NVIDIA vs. ATi; etc etc. Ford vs. Chevy and so forth.

BillA · 12-03-2003, 05:04 PM

satanicoo

nothing more than the age old battle between reason and faith
unfortunately reason seldom wins in the short term
and looking a religion (aka fanboyism), not gonna win in the long term either unless we get seriously into changing our mate selection habits

satanicoo · 12-03-2003, 05:09 PM

I guess i'll let them by themselves.
Maybe they learn (not).

Joe · 12-03-2003, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus
same with AMD vs. Intel, NVIDIA vs. ATi; etc etc. Ford vs. Chevy and so forth.

US Vs Canada... .wait no one debates that... hehehe

TerraMex · 12-03-2003, 06:17 PM

@Satanicoo

I've been there (at that forum) since the early days(about 2 years ago). Trying to explain a few concepts which they didn't grasp ...
of course all dismissed .
Oh yeah, as far as their expertise (experts) goes, flow is uninfluenced by pump, tube diameter and barbs, and aluminum is a better heat medium than copper.
So i just stopped posting.
Good people, but blind by "faith", as bill puts it.

Anyway, about the pump. Two things i'd like to point out, not apologizing anybody.
One, AquaComputer gets them from Eheim, disassembles them, sticks the dc power converter and reassembles the thing. I dont know if they're doing a "mediocre job", but i think it's lack of experience, it's not a "simple operation" , so boken plastic, damaged o-rings, etc, have appeared, in small numbers. Quality control is flawed , as it is a new product.
Two, the pump control is a good concept, but what kills it is the user interface. The "fill jumper" , stresses the pump , and probably toasts the dc converter if no attention is paid. Or something similar. I'd like to get one to test that, but 80 bucks... outch.

You can make a small comparison (small) with the MCP600. It has a few initial problems, but swiftly resolved. (pun intended

).
I'd let some time go to "see where it goes".

Joe · 12-03-2003, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerraMex
flow is uninfluenced by pump, tube diameter and barbs,

hahaha rich! it must be influenced by the moons graviational pull. Brings to meaning to the "Tidal" pool waterblock design

TerraMex · 12-03-2003, 06:35 PM

Eh... i've done that.

See ?

Just connect the block to the barbs and cool your cpu with tidal power(tm) !. It also leave a nice minty fresh aroma in your tubing. (Foam not included)

satanicoo · 12-03-2003, 08:54 PM

LOL

KnightElite · 12-04-2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe
US Vs Canada... .wait no one debates that... hehehe

Yeah, I think everyone has agreed for quite some time that Canada is much better.

BillA · 12-04-2003, 01:16 PM

eh ?
Canada is a state, not a country

Joe · 12-04-2003, 01:18 PM

Extremely high taxes, socialism, most of canada is still in the freaking ice age, and wannabe frenchies... sounds like paradise to me

(not sure whats worse, the burnout hippies or the frenchies

)

BillA · 12-04-2003, 01:24 PM

well, I've been to San Francisco and to Paris
no question in my mind

pHaestus · 12-04-2003, 01:25 PM

One of the major issues Canada faces is that when their youth become educated they move away. Ponder this for a moment; the first thing that bright young people do is get the hell out.

Not sure what that says about me though

BillA · 12-04-2003, 01:38 PM

chemical bias
no biggie

12-03-2003, 01:36 PM	#1
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Mike Magee hits it right on the head! http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12857 Mike has wrote an excelent editorial about the state of the review industry. He nails almost every thing I HATE about review sites. Worth a read, and I cant wait for part 2. I give his editorial, the new ProCooling "Editorial's Choice Award!" 9/10 rating!! 5 stars! heheh the irony __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton. Last edited by Joe; 12-03-2003 at 01:46 PM.

12-03-2003, 01:53 PM	#2
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Glad I am not the only one seeing this. He hit some of the things I hate about modern tech sites aswell. I made a lengthy post in one of these threads here with my opinion which was pretty similar. Glad the they have the balls to bring it up! EDIT: Here is my post: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=8440 If I was a little more civil I could write a book. Last edited by jaydee116; 12-03-2003 at 01:58 PM.

12-03-2003, 02:00 PM	#3
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	If you notice, and I sure as hell did, but procooling in almost every shape and form is a polar opposite from his description... I am happy bout that he didnt rag on staffers being bastards in the forums so we are good there also __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

12-03-2003, 02:29 PM	#5
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	It's probably just a side effect of NOT being run by kids or even having a lot of kiddie forum members. __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

12-03-2003, 03:09 PM	#6
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Somewhat related read where Michael Chrichton discusses all that is wrong with environmnetalism: http://www.crichton-official.com/spe...s_quote05.html Interesting because you can see without a doubt some parallels to the topic of hardware sites today and rampant fanboyism. __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

12-03-2003, 03:59 PM	#8
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Yep, your point? I dont remember anyone saying every review site is as bad as Mike has stated. just that most are. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

12-03-2003, 04:07 PM	#9
superart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: FL Posts: 787	yea, but Ph was insinuating that a site could be good or bad as a result of being run by kids. I was just saying, that's not always the case. __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure youv'e done anything at all. Looking to buy/trade for used Deep Fryer and Vacume Pack Sealer.

12-03-2003, 04:09 PM	#10
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	I think overall pH is exactly right. But kid is more of a measure of maturity than age. I know some 28 year old kiddies who run websites that are less mature than some 16 year olds. Kiddies + website = shit. Its an almost perfect equasion with no rounding issues or anything __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

12-03-2003, 05:02 PM	#12
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	same with AMD vs. Intel, NVIDIA vs. ATi; etc etc. Ford vs. Chevy and so forth. __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

12-03-2003, 05:04 PM	#13
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	satanicoo nothing more than the age old battle between reason and faith unfortunately reason seldom wins in the short term and looking a religion (aka fanboyism), not gonna win in the long term either unless we get seriously into changing our mate selection habits

12-03-2003, 05:09 PM	#14
satanicoo Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: portugal Posts: 635	I guess i'll let them by themselves. Maybe they learn (not).

12-03-2003, 06:17 PM	#16
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	@Satanicoo I've been there (at that forum) since the early days(about 2 years ago). Trying to explain a few concepts which they didn't grasp ... of course all dismissed . Oh yeah, as far as their expertise (experts) goes, flow is uninfluenced by pump, tube diameter and barbs, and aluminum is a better heat medium than copper. So i just stopped posting. Good people, but blind by "faith", as bill puts it. Anyway, about the pump. Two things i'd like to point out, not apologizing anybody. One, AquaComputer gets them from Eheim, disassembles them, sticks the dc power converter and reassembles the thing. I dont know if they're doing a "mediocre job", but i think it's lack of experience, it's not a "simple operation" , so boken plastic, damaged o-rings, etc, have appeared, in small numbers. Quality control is flawed , as it is a new product. Two, the pump control is a good concept, but what kills it is the user interface. The "fill jumper" , stresses the pump , and probably toasts the dc converter if no attention is paid. Or something similar. I'd like to get one to test that, but 80 bucks... outch. You can make a small comparison (small) with the MCP600. It has a few initial problems, but swiftly resolved. (pun intended ). I'd let some time go to "see where it goes". __________________ "we need more cowbell."

12-03-2003, 06:35 PM	#18
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Eh... i've done that. See ? Just connect the block to the barbs and cool your cpu with tidal power(tm) !. It also leave a nice minty fresh aroma in your tubing. (Foam not included) __________________ "we need more cowbell."

12-03-2003, 08:54 PM	#19
satanicoo Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: portugal Posts: 635	LOL

12-04-2003, 01:16 PM	#21
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	eh ? Canada is a state, not a country

12-04-2003, 01:18 PM	#22
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Extremely high taxes, socialism, most of canada is still in the freaking ice age, and wannabe frenchies... sounds like paradise to me (not sure whats worse, the burnout hippies or the frenchies ) __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

12-04-2003, 01:24 PM	#23
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	well, I've been to San Francisco and to Paris no question in my mind

12-04-2003, 01:25 PM	#24
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	One of the major issues Canada faces is that when their youth become educated they move away. Ponder this for a moment; the first thing that bright young people do is get the hell out. Not sure what that says about me though __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

12-04-2003, 01:38 PM	#25
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	chemical bias no biggie

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