Coolingworks New Shroud!

[BlackStealth]

Hello Everyone I just bought the new Coolingworks Cool shroud for 6"x6" Heater Core. The website mentioned that it will fit the Chevette heater core. When I got it didn’t fit is there a specific heater core that is 6X6 i can buy? I already bought the Heater core so I can’t so anything about that, what advice can you guys give me? When I bought the shroud it also mentioned that it will fit the D-TeK Procore and those are discontinued, do you think the shroud will fit the JR-120. What would be the best thing I could do? Please help!
Thank You

[pHaestus]

I think the 80s Ford Excort and the Fiero are the other two common heatercores in the 6x6 to 6x7 range

[BlackStealth]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

I think the 80s Ford Excort and the Fiero are the other two common heatercores in the 6x6 to 6x7 range

ThanX for the reply pHaestus do you think the performance is similar to the Chevett's ?

[BlackStealth]

Okay guyz I have found this 86 Chevy Chevette heater core and the dimentions seems to be a little smaller 6 1/4" x 6 1/4" x 2 than the one i currently have 6 1/8" x 6 x 3/8" x 2. It will cost me 39.45 to order a new one. Is it worth ordering or just getting the D-Tek JR-120? I am not really sure why i got the wrong Chevette heater core i might go again to AutoZone and take the shourd along with me and see how it goes. What do you guyz think?
Thanks everyone

[BlackStealth]

By the way here is the link where you can purchase it from"
http://www.a-1injectors.com/heatercore/buynow/94544.htm

[BlackStealth]

Hmmmm so much views please help me out guyz. I also have another question, I know I have lots of them LoL, but I will appreciate everyone's help. Is is true that the ThermoChill HE120.2 can out performs the the Chevette Heater Core?

[Lothar5150]

BlackStealth- My Company makes the Coolingworks Chevette Shroud. Unfortunately, you got oddball core. The shroud size is listed so that you can make sure the shroud will fit the core you have before you buy it. I’d recommend you return your core to the auto parts store and ask the auto parts guy if you can measure a few different Chevette cores and exchange it for one that is the standard size- 6 1/8 x 6 1/8.

email me at info@coolinworks.com if you need some help or have any questions.

[BlackStealth]

Originally Posted by Lothar5150

BlackStealth- My Company makes the Coolingworks Chevette Shroud. Unfortunately, you got oddball core. The shroud size is listed so that you can make sure the shroud will fit the core you have before you buy it. I’d recommend you return your core to the auto parts store and ask the auto parts guy if you can measure a few different Chevette cores and exchange it for one that is the standard size- 6 1/8 x 6 1/8.

email me at info@coolinworks.com if you need some help or have any questions.

Thank You Lothar for the reply. The shrouds you make are great and well built; I encourage anyone to look forward into them. I know that the sizes were listed on the website, what fooled me was that I saw that it will fit the Chevy Chevette so I really didn’t take the measurements into consideration. I had in mind that I had the right HC. After realizing that the shroud didn’t fit I researched and found out that there are different sizes of Chevette HC that are made my different manufactures. I don’t think I can return the HC now because I sanded it and prepared it for painting, so I guess I just have to order the right HC or go with D-TeK JR-120. Will the shroud fit the JR-120? What do you recommend me doing? The right HC will cost $39.45 with shipping; I could also go to Auto Zone and check out if they have different sizes, which would be cheaper if I can get a hold of it. If you can please advice me on what would be the best dissension.
Thank You,
ALi

[bobkoure]

By all means take the shroud with you to the car parts store.
They've done a very nice job (Thanks Lothar!) with the gasketing - you should have two concentric foam rubber gaskets that fit inside the square opening. Remember that you can remore all or part of these gaskets to make the shroud fit.
You may also have to cut a notch or two at the top for hose/tube/barb clearance.
I got the pre-barbed heatercore from be cooling and the fit with the core was perfect - except I had to make the notches I mentioned above..
Lothar - what are chances of making these shrouds with larger-than-120mm fan openings? The panaflos I use all fair out to larger than this and it'd be nice to not have an obstruction in the airflow - probably only an issue on the "push" side and I'm set up for pull only so a non-issue for me...

[sn_85]

Originally Posted by BlackStealth

Thank You Lothar for the reply. The shrouds you make are great and well built; I encourage anyone to look forward into them. I know that the sizes were listed on the website, what fooled me was that I saw that it will fit the Chevy Chevette so I really didn’t take the measurements into consideration. I had in mind that I had the right HC. After realizing that the shroud didn’t fit I researched and found out that there are different sizes of Chevette HC that are made my different manufactures. I don’t think I can return the HC now because I sanded it and prepared it for painting, so I guess I just have to order the right HC or go with D-TeK JR-120. Will the shroud fit the JR-120? What do you recommend me doing? The right HC will cost $39.45 with shipping; I could also go to Auto Zone and check out if they have different sizes, which would be cheaper if I can get a hold of it. If you can please advice me on what would be the best dissension.
Thank You,
ALi

where are you going to order the HC for $39.45 from? that seems really expensive to me because the chevette i got was only $21 from O'Reilly's and Auto Zones listing is for $17. i'd also give it a try to go return it, i mean heater cores arent meant to be sanded and pretty. they always come all dusty and ugly because they are meant to be hidden inside the car and out of the way. so if anything ur doing them a favor. best thing to do is to get the right chevette core. i'd goto auto zone and ask them to order you one is they dont have it in stock. it might not take that long if another store in the area has one and u certainly wont have to pay $40 for it. and if u got the room, go for the bigger core, dont settle for the JR if u dont have to.

[pHaestus]

there's probably some difference in size depending upon year of the car. I have a couple of the coolingworks shrouds for Black Ice rads here and they are top notch.

[Lothar5150]

BlackStealth- If you cannot exchange the HC currently have, I would recommend that you buy the Black and Chrome Heater Core from BeCooling.

There are a few other HC models that are 6x6; I know that the Original ProCore was a modified Ford HC.

FYI, the CoolShroud does not fit the ProCore Jr, it does fit the ProCore(no longer in production).

Thanks to everyone for the complements, my goal as a fellow Moder /H2O cooler is to make quality and useful components for you.

[BlackStealth]

Alrighty thank you guyz for all the help i really appreciate it!
Thank You again,
ALi

[BlackStealth]

Hello everyone! I went to AutoZone I asked for the 86 Chevy Chevette HC, they didn't have it in stock so they asked me if I wanna order the HC. So I asked for the dimensions of the HC just to make sure it is the right one, well they didn't have the specs. They also mentioned to me that they will not refund me the $$$ if it didn't fit on the shroud even if I tried it in the store. It was like $27.00 so right now I am just thinking of purchasing it online from http://www.a-1injectors.com/heatercore/buynow/94544.htm which will cost me 39.45.
Will this be the best route I should take?
Help!
Ohh by the way here is how me setup will look like:
CPU: Block D-TeK WHite Water
VGA:SilverProp Fusion HL
Pump: Swiftech MCP600
Tubing: Tygon 1/2 ID, 3/4OD
Resivor: Criticool Powerplant
Chevy heater core w/ CoolingWorks shourd
Fan: Panaflow 120mm fan at 80CFM
The only thing that is currently hold me off is the heatercore issue and the D-Tek's block anyone know when they might be available?
Thank you, and appreciate your help!
ALi

[bobkoure]

Once you're in the $39.95 range, why not just get a pre-barbed core from BeCooling/AquaStealth for $34.99 plus shipping? Yeah, it might end up being a little more expensive, once shipping is factored in, but do you really like having a tubing size adaptor in line?
I just got one, and it looks as though the shroud was designed for exactly this core.
I certainly understand going to the auto parts store to get a core, but IMHO, the point of that is getting a core like this for $20 - or building your own unavailable-anywhere-else BigAssedRadiator(tm).
Your other option (again IMHO) is to go to a radiator repair shop, shroud and a couple of pieces of tubing in hand - tell the guy what you're trying to do and how much you want to spend, and for $40 you'll likely end up with a very nice setup.
I'm surprised that some radiator shop hasn't gone online, specializing in this work - it's much nicer than the usual stuff you have to do there (dealing with dirt and sharp edges in spaces your hands don't fit into, usually crouched down or on your back).

[BlackStealth]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Once you're in the $39.95 range, why not just get a pre-barbed core from BeCooling/AquaStealth for $34.99 plus shipping? Yeah, it might end up being a little more expensive, once shipping is factored in, but do you really like having a tubing size adaptor in line?
I just got one, and it looks as though the shroud was designed for exactly this core.
I certainly understand going to the auto parts store to get a core, but IMHO, the point of that is getting a core like this for $20 - or building your own unavailable-anywhere-else BigAssedRadiator(tm).
Your other option (again IMHO) is to go to a radiator repair shop, shroud and a couple of pieces of tubing in hand - tell the guy what you're trying to do and how much you want to spend, and for $40 you'll likely end up with a very nice setup.
I'm surprised that some radiator shop hasn't gone online, specializing in this work - it's much nicer than the usual stuff you have to do there (dealing with dirt and sharp edges in spaces your hands don't fit into, usually crouched down or on your back).

Thank You Bob for your help I think i'm just gonna get the Black and Chrome HC. Are you sure it will fit the new shroud I have from CoolingWorks cause it states that it is gonna fit HC only 6X6 or slightly bigger? The Black and Chrome is like 7.25 tall, is that the dimentions with the tanks of the HC?
Thank You,
ALi

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by BlackStealth

Are you sure it will fit the new shroud I have from CoolingWorks cause it states that it is gonna fit HC only 6X6 or slightly bigger?

Ali,
The finned area of the one I got was perfect with one of the two concentric square gaskets removed from the CoolingWorks shroud. Split the two gaskets apart, keep the larger diameter one (the thin one) and use this one to fill the (very small) area between the outside of the core and the inside of the "lip" of the shroud.
The 7.25" size is height including header tanks - remember that there are tanks on two ends so don't just carve a hole in your case somewhere until you're sure there's room for the header tanks.
If you've any question about the fit of this core with the CoolingWorks shroud, email be-cooling - they sell this shroud as well and should be able to tell you right away that they'll work fine together. Actually I'm surprised that the two product pages don't each mention the other.
If you are using only one fan, I'd suggest setting it up to pull air through the core rather than push.
Also, if you're cutting a square hole to mount the core, if you cut the hole a little smaller than the core size, you can use the "inner" square gasket (the one you didn't need when fitting the core to the shroud) as a gasket/cushion between your case and the core (not that you need a cushion or gasket, but hey, it's already die cut to exactly the right size...)
Enjoy!
Bob
PS Here's a picture of my setup. I'm pulling with two stacked panaflos undervolted to 5V - it's pretty quiet. I'm also seeing idle temps in the ambient plus 8 or 9 range but this is just what the CPU diode is reporting. It seems to go up and down exactly with the thermometer in my wall thermostat, so maybe it's a real temp (but maybe not, too).
Oh - and here's a picture of the "notch" needed to fit around one of the barbs.

[BlackStealth]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Ali,
The finned area of the one I got was perfect with one of the two concentric square gaskets removed from the CoolingWorks shroud. Split the two gaskets apart, keep the larger diameter one (the thin one) and use this one to fill the (very small) area between the outside of the core and the inside of the "lip" of the shroud.
The 7.25" size is height including header tanks - remember that there are tanks on two ends so don't just carve a hole in your case somewhere until you're sure there's room for the header tanks.
If you've any question about the fit of this core with the CoolingWorks shroud, email be-cooling - they sell this shroud as well and should be able to tell you right away that they'll work fine together. Actually I'm surprised that the two product pages don't each mention the other.
If you are using only one fan, I'd suggest setting it up to pull air through the core rather than push.
Also, if you're cutting a square hole to mount the core, if you cut the hole a little smaller than the core size, you can use the "inner" square gasket (the one you didn't need when fitting the core to the shroud) as a gasket/cushion between your case and the core (not that you need a cushion or gasket, but hey, it's already die cut to exactly the right size...)
Enjoy!
Bob
PS Here's a picture of my setup. I'm pulling with two stacked panaflos undervolted to 5V - it's pretty quiet. I'm also seeing idle temps in the ambient plus 8 or 9 range but this is just what the CPU diode is reporting. It seems to go up and down exactly with the thermometer in my wall thermostat, so maybe it's a real temp (but maybe not, too).
Oh - and here's a picture of the "notch" needed to fit around one of the barbs.

Thank You Bob,
I will go ahead right now and order the Black & Chrome Heater core. Thank you for the great advice truly amazing! That way it will have a neat mounting. Right now I have the Lian-Li PC-61 case I will cut the inner frame for the HC breathing, remove the 2 stock 80mm fans. On the face plate there are two vents that were used for the 80mm fans breathing I am not really sure how would the HC respond to that when it comes to performance. What do you guyz think?
I was actually thinking on moding the face plate and have a 120mm tube inlet with a custom shroud that fit the right in front if the HC and over the Tube duct.
Thank You,
ALi

[bobkoure]

Do you have 6" vertically where those two 80mm fans currently are?
If you do, you can put the core in on its side (slightly harder to clear air from it, but not a big deal...)
Bob

[BlackStealth]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Do you have 6" vertically where those two 80mm fans currently are?
If you do, you can put the core in on its side (slightly harder to clear air from it, but not a big deal...)
Bob

Thank You Bob I think I am just gonna go ahead and start using my dremel to mod to my case! I will also make a custom 120mm duct for the fan. The thing is I am not really sure if i should do the push Pull setup, will it be very noisy? I already have one 120mm Panaflo fan at 80 cfm and around 35 db or should go with what you did undervolting two fans to 5v? With the way you did it vs push pull setup how different are the temps?
Thank You,
Ali

[AngryAlpaca]

The Thermochill 120.2 is slightly outperformed by the Chevette core. Any confusion related would probably involve Bill Adams declaring that high performance meant more powerful fans than in the old review (or more powerful ones came out)

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by BlackStealth

The thing is I am not really sure if i should do the push Pull setup, will it be very noisy? I already have one 120mm Panaflo fan at 80 cfm and around 35 db or should go with what you did undervolting two fans to 5v? With the way you did it vs push pull setup how different are the temps?

Push-pull usually means that there are two shrouds on the core - one on the front and the other on the back - one fan pushes and the other, well... pulls.
There are no guarantees that adding an additional fan will get you any better temps (either push-pull or stacked).
What I was doing was stacking two fans, both "pulling". This helped my temps because (as far as I can figure) a single fan at 5V was not generating enough pressure to pull enough air through the core. I could have just turned up the voltage - but I'm a real sissy about noise (at least noise from my PC while I'm trying to focus on something else).
I tried both at 7V, got about the same diode readings as with one fan at 12V, was quieter than the single fan at 12V - but still too noisy for me.
Both at 5V got me diode readings of about 2C higher, but I was getting a reasonable overclock (12.5x200) at a reasonable noise level for me (somewhere between 18 and 22 dB).

Oh, wait - a panaflo that's 80 cfm at 35dB means the 'M' version (probably FBA12G12M) right?
I'm using the 'L' version (see here for the difference between the two) so your results will be different from mine.
And while I'm at it - that 80cfm rating is in clear unrestricted air. A radiator, particularly one that's 2" thick is most definitely a restriction.

[BlackStealth]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Push-pull usually means that there are two shrouds on the core - one on the front and the other on the back - one fan pushes and the other, well... pulls.
There are no guarantees that adding an additional fan will get you any better temps (either push-pull or stacked).
What I was doing was stacking two fans, both "pulling". This helped my temps because (as far as I can figure) a single fan at 5V was not generating enough pressure to pull enough air through the core. I could have just turned up the voltage - but I'm a real sissy about noise (at least noise from my PC while I'm trying to focus on something else).
I tried both at 7V, got about the same diode readings as with one fan at 12V, was quieter than the single fan at 12V - but still too noisy for me.
Both at 5V got me diode readings of about 2C higher, but I was getting a reasonable overclock (12.5x200) at a reasonable noise level for me (somewhere between 18 and 22 dB).

Oh, wait - a panaflo that's 80 cfm at 35dB means the 'M' version (probably FBA12G12M) right?
I'm using the 'L' version (see here for the difference between the two) so your results will be different from mine.
And while I'm at it - that 80cfm rating is in clear unrestricted air. A radiator, particularly one that's 2" thick is most definitely a restriction.

Thank's Bob,
Today i have been working on my Lian Li PC-62 and cutting parts of the front to get replaced with some plexi glass. That way I can design my own bottom front part of the Chasis. I will try it out with the fan I have right now and cut a 6x6 square in the plexi glass for the Air intake. I will also use your way of mounting it as you recomended.

[BlackStealth]

Okay guys I went ahead and ordered the Black and Chrome heater core. Let me tell you about my experience with it. First, I placed my order on the 10th and chose the 2day delivery. Guess what? I finally received it on the 14th. The $16 I paid was for absolutely nothing!!!! When the product arrived I was expecting to see a nice heater core but it didn’t look as perfected as I thought it would be. It seemed like the thread on the left side of the heater core was glued in a sloppy manner. Also the back of the left HC tank had a chunk of what looks like JB Weld. I am not really sure but it could be that it was used to fix some kind of leak. The right barb seems okay. I am not here to judge anyone work but the product I received was not put together in a professional way. I will take some digital pictures in the next few hours and post them up, so you guys can share your opinion with me. I think I will just go ahead and take off the paint and clean everything up and see how things go. At the end it is not a matter of cost or money, but when I order a product from a company I expect to get higher quality product.
Thank You
ALi

[bobkoure]

Gak! The one I got seemed OK.
Did you see if the shroud fit?
I know all the water cooling stuff we buy comes with "no returns" but at least see if they'll make it good to you before you start messing with it yourself
Bob
PS - Lothar5150 - do you have any recommended cores and/or suppliers of pre-modded cores? I'd like to think that be-cooling will make good, but if not, where does blackstealth go...?