Fluid XP+ Cooling Fluid

[Got KarmA?]

Originally Posted by kronchev

damn im a bastard

I would agree. You're also digging much too far to criticize a product because it doesn't fit your needs. It's marketed to those people who would like to take the extra precaution, and would like to keep their system as low-maintenance as possible. If they've got the cash, let 'em spend it.

After all, we're not all perfect.

[talcum]

Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca

You mean to say that he wasn't open about that fact that he was associated with them? I just naturally assumed... Yeah, leave the guy alone. He's doing us a favour.

No, initially he simply asked if we were ChemE's (were we technically competent?) And they're selling water + preservative for $40/liter. And they're 'talking' on a forum I watch. So just as I would ask BillA for clarification if I thought he was blowing smoke, so will I comment and ask questions of manufacturers who post here. If we only get good vendors because of that, is that bad?

[pHaestus]

he also really should have identified himself as a company rep rather than as an interested bystander. That always leads to problems in my experience.

BillA is an odd case because he so rarely speaks on behalf of Swiftech (in fact Swiftech would be insane to let Bill be their public voice lol)

[BalefireX]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

BillA is an odd case because he so rarely speaks on behalf of Swiftech (in fact Swiftech would be insane to let Bill be their public voice lol)

Dunno - could work out well - consider the popularity of Simon Cowell/American Idol.

Brutally honest criticism is all the rage nowadays; Swiftech could offer to knock you down a few pegs with every waterblock purchase.

[Groth]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

BillA is an odd case

No, I'm going to resist that temptation.

Now that mklt has revealed his poorly concealed associations, I'm happy to have him here. A lot of misunderstandings and misinformation could be cleared up if we had manufacturers talking openly and honestly to the community. And it might even improve their products and bottom lines.

The C-Systems pump thread is a good example.

[Brians256]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

he also really should have identified himself as a company rep rather than as an interested bystander. That always leads to problems in my experience.

BillA is an odd case because he so rarely speaks on behalf of Swiftech (in fact Swiftech would be insane to let Bill be their public voice lol)

Agreed on both points. I hoped I was clear that a company rep is just as welcome as they are honest about information and their (understandable) bias.

Bill is just a unique fellow. No way to easily classify him.

[mklt]

Originally Posted by Brians256

Agreed on both points. I hoped I was clear that a company rep is just as welcome as they are honest about information and their (understandable) bias.

Bill is just a unique fellow. No way to easily classify him.

I am an associate of Dr. Haslims. I said nothing about being a rep. Dr. Haslim and I go way back in history. He and I worked on aircraft deicing systems. Various types of systems. Fluid, electromagnetic, electroexpulsive, piezo systems to name a few. He is beyond reproach. He's a retired Navy Captian who during the korean war received the Distiguished Flying Cross for flying over the advancing Korean army to help protect his own troops. He flew until his aircraft was just about out of fuel and all shot up. He had enough fuel to make it feet wet and then had to bail out because he couldn't make the carrier. That's the kind of guy he is and that's the reputation he puts behind his work. So I believe in his technology/ product and support him in any way I can. I was out reviewing the forums and came across you guys and it gave me a way of seeing how others were receiving the product. That's all. I am more than happy to be a means to an end for you and get answers answered if you have them. That's all.

That's a great idea thou, getting manufacturing reps to get on forums to discuss issues with potential customers. Someone oughta start a web site or forum that invites reps to participate in discussions.

I'm still trying to get those documents out on this site but They're bigger than the 75mb limit for the browser uploads. I'll have to try something to get the number down. I might have to email them out.

Later
mklt

[gone_fishin]

Originally Posted by mklt

He is beyond reproach. He's a retired Navy Captian who during the korean war received the Distiguished Flying Cross for flying over the advancing Korean army to help protect his own troops. He flew until his aircraft was just about out of fuel and all shot up. He had enough fuel to make it feet wet and then had to bail out because he couldn't make the carrier. That's the kind of guy he is and that's the reputation he puts behind his work.
Later
mklt

Holy shit, the VP for Kerry has been discovered on ProCooling.

[mklt]

Originally Posted by gone_fishin

Holy shit, the VP for Kerry has been discovered on ProCooling.

Please dont dis the man like that. Kerry, are you kidding. I think he'd rather hear Saddam than Kerry.

I contacted the Fluidxp site and suggested they post those documents we have been discussing some others who want them can also get them. I post what they say but the site is fluidxp.com.

mklt

[krazy]

Taken directly from here:

Why should I use Fluid XP over other available fluids?

A: Because it is so much more efficient than the typical fluid blends presently being used in the fluid cooled computer world today. It will give you a piece of mind that you are protecting your valuable system from possible damage due to highly conductive mixtures that are “accepted” in the computer cooling world. Water-Wetter, Anti-freeze products, Windshield Washer Fluids and the like all contain ingredients that are harmful to systems in one way or another. They contain phosphates (Breaks down adhesives), salts (Electrically conductive), methyl alcohol (Flammable), Dipotassium phosphate (Toxic)
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How does Fluid XP’s removal of heat compare with other fluids?

A: The conduction coefficient of Fluid XP is 3.7 Btu-in/hr-ft2-Deg. F while water conduction coefficient is 4.2 Btu-in/hr-ft2-Deg. F. It is roughly 89% as effective as water. This comes out to a 2-3º difference in performance. Water is used as a reference point for all coolants. The benefits of Fluid XP over plain water are such that while water will damage your system if spilled on it Fluid XP will have no detrimental effects on your system.

...

How often should I change the fluid when using Fluid XP?

A: Fluid XP has a 5+ year shelf life but we recommend that it should be changed out every two years just to be safe.

Vague promises with big buzz words. What is meant by "so much more efficient"? The second question/paragraph specifically states that it is significantly less efficient than water. What is it "so much more efficient" than in the first example? cottage cheese?

I do have to say that the following real-life test performed (linked to on fluidxp,s website) gives the impression that the stuff's electrical properties are what they claim them to be.

I've ran my video card with more water on it than that (pure distilled water slowly pooled from a leaking fitting on my northbridge cooler) with only artifacting. Once I shut down and dried the card off (and fixed the leak), everything ran fine again. I didn't toast my video card or the rest of my computer by getting it wet. Of course this doesn't mean it's a good idea to submerge your computer in distilled water, but from all of the water encounters I've read about and experienced, computer parts seem to do just fine if you shut them down and dry them carefully. If you soaked a whole computer without anything powered up, I'm fairly confident you would be able to salvate absolutely everything just by making sure it was properly dry before booting it up again.

Based on these examples and points, I personally can't justify spending an obscene amount of money on a special "fluid" when I can get by with good old distilled water (which costs me a whopping $.50 a gallon) and not have to worry much about blowing up my system by getting it damp now and then.

Look at it this way: by being careful, I can fill my system for about twenty-five cents instead of eighty dollars. So maybe I'll have to flush & refill every month or so. FluidXP is only recommended to be kept in a system for about two years before needing to be changed. In two fillings of fluidXP, which would cost me about $160, I would refill about 24 times at a total cost of about six bucks.

It may be some kind of wonderful maintenance-free coolant, but two years isn't forever. Plus, what are you supposed to do with it when you drain your system to upgrade something or make some modifications? Catch it all in a bucket and pour it back in? I laughed when I read the part of the FAQ explaining that fluidXP is safe to pour down the drain. Yeah; if you want to pour that many dolalrs per milliliter down the drain, be my guest.

You can all see where I stand...

[Butcher]

Originally Posted by mklt

I am an associate of Dr. Haslims. I said nothing about being a rep. Dr. Haslim and I go way back in history. He and I worked on aircraft deicing systems. Various types of systems. Fluid, electromagnetic, electroexpulsive, piezo systems to name a few. He is beyond reproach. He's a retired Navy Captian who during the korean war received the Distiguished Flying Cross for flying over the advancing Korean army to help protect his own troops. He flew until his aircraft was just about out of fuel and all shot up. He had enough fuel to make it feet wet and then had to bail out because he couldn't make the carrier. That's the kind of guy he is and that's the reputation he puts behind his work. So I believe in his technology/ product and support him in any way I can. I was out reviewing the forums and came across you guys and it gave me a way of seeing how others were receiving the product. That's all. I am more than happy to be a means to an end for you and get answers answered if you have them. That's all.

Being a war hero doesn't somehow confer a massive knowledge of chemical engineering on people. That story doesn't make me think any more or less of fluidxp to be honest. Though it does make me somewhat suspicious of your credibility - it looks like you're having to resort to patriotism to try and get people to support your product rather than technical merits. Frankly that sort of smoke and mirrors promotion leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Got KarmA?]

Originally Posted by Butcher

Being a war hero doesn't somehow confer a massive knowledge of chemical engineering on people. That story doesn't make me think any more or less of fluidxp to be honest. Though it does make me somewhat suspicious of your credibility - it looks like you're having to resort to patriotism to try and get people to support your product rather than technical merits. Frankly that sort of smoke and mirrors promotion leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Perhaps he's responding to people accusing the operation of being a bunch of kids with lab supplies in their basement.

[Titan151]

ack,

ummm, after reading all of these posts I sorta forgot the coolant I was going to use. Now was it water wetter...uh no, perhaps something with glycol in it, no not that, maybe some kind of store brought non conductive product, ack to expensive. Oh hell, I guess I will just use some of this scope I got sitting next to the sink. After all it is minty fresh and that must be good fo something!!

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Got KarmA?

Perhaps he's responding to people accusing the operation of being a bunch of kids with lab supplies in their basement.

Perhaps we are testy because we see to much bull shit products ripping people off poping up everywere.

[Waterbug]

Originally Posted by mklt

I am an associate of Dr. Haslims. I said nothing about being a rep. Dr. Haslim and I go way back in history. He and I worked on aircraft deicing systems. Various types of systems. Fluid, electromagnetic, electroexpulsive, piezo systems to name a few. He is beyond reproach. He's a retired Navy Captian who during the korean war received the Distiguished Flying Cross for flying over the advancing Korean army to help protect his own troops. He flew until his aircraft was just about out of fuel and all shot up. He had enough fuel to make it feet wet and then had to bail out because he couldn't make the carrier. That's the kind of guy he is and that's the reputation he puts behind his work. So I believe in his technology/ product and support him in any way I can. I was out reviewing the forums and came across you guys and it gave me a way of seeing how others were receiving the product. That's all. I am more than happy to be a means to an end for you and get answers answered if you have them. That's all.

That's a great idea thou, getting manufacturing reps to get on forums to discuss issues with potential customers. Someone oughta start a web site or forum that invites reps to participate in discussions.

I'm still trying to get those documents out on this site but They're bigger than the 75mb limit for the browser uploads. I'll have to try something to get the number down. I might have to email them out.


Later
mklt

Do not take this wrong, but a soldier is brainwashed to die for his land and his other camrades. Thats how the military works, or cannon food as i like to say, and that does not show me anything, more than that he is easy to manipulate. Maybe he is shellschoked, what do i know, the military records say noting to me really. Maybe he could join with another watercooling company or manufacture the fluid in a cheaper county to make the process cheaper in the end.
I would gadly buy it, but at a reasonable price.

[Butcher]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Perhaps we are testy because we see to much bull shit products ripping people off poping up everywere.

It's the mark of a scientific mind not to take things at face value without proper evidence to back them up. There seems to be little evidence in favour of this fluid and a lot of smoke and mirrors...

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Butcher

It's the mark of a scientific mind not to take things at face value without proper evidence to back them up. There seems to be little evidence in favour of this fluid and a lot of smoke and mirrors...

Completly agree. That's what I was getting at.

[Got KarmA?]

Originally Posted by Waterbug

Do not take this wrong, but a soldier is brainwashed to die for his land and his other camrades. Thats how the military works, or cannon food as i like to say, and that does not show me anything, more than that he is easy to manipulate. Maybe he is shellschoked, what do i know, the military records say noting to me really. Maybe he could join with another watercooling company or manufacture the fluid in a cheaper county to make the process cheaper in the end.
I would gadly buy it, but at a reasonable price.

For the sake of keeping these forums reasonable, I have chosen not to post what I originally intended. Just let it be known that this post offends me to the deepest core of my self. Keep your ignorant viewpoints of the military to yourself.

[Butcher]

Originally Posted by Got KarmA?

For the sake of keeping these forums reasonable, I have chosen not to post what I originally intended. Just let it be known that this post offends me to the deepest core of my self. Keep your ignorant viewpoints of the military to yourself.

Differeing viewpoints are a fact of life, deal with it. Personally I don't have a particularly high opinion of the military, but I'm not going to go into it as it's not really on topic for this discussion. I think that it was inappropriate for mklt to bring it up in the first place in fact (partly because the military is such a contentious issue, almost as bad as religion).

[kronchev]

Originally Posted by Got KarmA?

I would agree. You're also digging much too far to criticize a product because it doesn't fit your needs. It's marketed to those people who would like to take the extra precaution, and would like to keep their system as low-maintenance as possible. If they've got the cash, let 'em spend it.

After all, we're not all perfect.

i do the same for people who use koolance gear. maybe i just dont like people being lazy?

[kronchev]

Originally Posted by Butcher

It's the mark of a scientific mind not to take things at face value without proper evidence to back them up. There seems to be little evidence in favour of this fluid and a lot of smoke and mirrors...

FINALLY someone said it

[kronchev]

Wait wait wait

When that says its 89% as effective as water, I assume they mean de-I water? Well, de-I water is EVEN LESS CONDUCTIVE THAN THIS STUFF. So if youre comparing De-I to XP+, XP+ has not only worse performance, but is more conductive!

[Butcher]

Water in a cooling system which uses copper will not stay deionised for long.

[Waterbug]

Originally Posted by Got KarmA?

For the sake of keeping these forums reasonable, I have chosen not to post what I originally intended. Just let it be known that this post offends me to the deepest core of my self. Keep your ignorant viewpoints of the military to yourself.

Sorry if i upset you, this was not my point as stated above, it was my own point of view to show that you cant market superstuff because you are a war hero, thats ridicolous, he may be a hero for some and not for others.

OT you may have taken this a bit personal, but then you might feelt hit by my post. I have been a soldier so i know about it, and all the brainwashing stuff,
families in sorrow, with lost sons while the pres sits on his porch sipping a whisky an writting his memories about how he won the war.
As said before, litle of topic, but then again im sorry if i offended you, but this is the reality of life.

[kronchev]

Originally Posted by Butcher

Water in a cooling system which uses copper will not stay deionised for long.

well, you know what I mean. distilled.