Anyone tried a Hayden "turbolator" rad?

[AngryAlpaca]

Aluminum is also easier to work with. The performance increase from airflow does not level off for a long, long time. Bill Adams has repeatedly proven that. 1-2C is possible (maybe even easily) with a big heater core and 4 Delta 38's, let's say. Now, Volkswagen heater cores seem to be the way to go. I saw a picture of one once, and, well, The fin density was so great that it looked solid... http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDeta...pe=524&PTSet=B Too bad this is a shitty image.

I bet that is with a compunurse too?

+/-1C isn't too bad for rough numbers like this...

[SysCrusher]

Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca

Aluminum is also easier to work with. The performance increase from airflow does not level off for a long, long time.

If your going to quote BillA's data, atleast read it thoroughly before you post. If you read it, you would know that isn't true.

Rough estimate would be about 250 cfms, provided one can find a fan with high air pressure to push that much. Bigger rad works simply because of more surface area. Think about maximizing convection within the rad and you will make that bigger rad even better. OR better yet, make that smaller rad perform like a bigger rad.

All I'm going to say anymore.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by SysCrusher

Don't need to spend that much. Just a simple 10gauge copper wire coil inside tight against the copper walls will do.

Wrong. If it were that easy there would be companies already doing it.

All about airflow? since when? If it was all about air flow, then why is there advancements made in water blocks? Rad is the same thing. Maximizing convection via water to copper will allow less cfm's to be used if you so want to go that route. 1 - 2C in water temps is a 1 -2C change in cpu temps and it''s not all about airflow.

We are talking about rads here not water blocks. It is all about air flow when it comes to rads, better? A current basic car heater core can handle WAY more than what the hottest overclocked CPU on the market can put out. It just needs AIRFLOW.

[SysCrusher]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

Wrong. If it were that easy there would be companies already doing it.

They already are.

Originally Posted by jaydee116

We are talking about rads here not water blocks. It is all about air flow when it comes to rads, better? A current basic car heater core can handle WAY more than what the hottest overclocked CPU on the market can put out. It just needs AIRFLOW.

LOL Whatever jaydee. Same principles apply to rads as waterblocks jaydee. I see you lack the understanding so it's waste of my time. Try giving it some thought for once.

[HVAC]

I have had the Hayden Strip Turbulator Rad for about 5 years now. Right now it's SEVERLY corroded from the copper block/ Alum rad mix. I haven't had another rad to compare it to. That may change soon though.

Hayden Transmission Cooler
DangerDen Maze1
185gph

[HVAC]

Pictures of setup.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by SysCrusher

They already are.

Then were are they? Havn't seen any small rads with turbulators made for high efficency designed spacifically for PC's...

LOL Whatever jaydee. Same principles apply to rads as waterblocks jaydee. I see you lack the understanding so it's waste of my time. Try giving it some thought for once.

Ditto.

[AngryAlpaca]

http://thermal-management-testing.com/ThermoChill.htm Oddly enough, there is a large performance difference between 12V and 7V. Your testing seems to be wrong.

“It is all about air flow, i.e. getting the heat out of the rad. You want to reach the knee of the C/W curve.”

LOL Whatever jaydee. Same principles apply to rads as waterblocks jaydee. I see you lack the understanding so it's waste of my time. Try giving it some thought for once.

Wrong. SIMILAR principles apply to radiators.

[psychofunk]

When I made my post earlier I misunderstood what was being done with the turbulator. I saw the thin fins (not so thing but remedicent of LRWW fins) and thought that they were like those in a waterblock. I thought that they increased the surface area of the rad that came into contact with the water and that it would move more heat out of the water thereby making the rad more effecient. Being that these turbulators only work to create turbulance does that help in the cooling ability of the rad. I am just curious.

[AngryAlpaca]

Yes they do, if they indeed create turbulence. It reduces the boundary layer, but radiators do not have so much of a problem with boundary layers. It would be more effective in a block.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by psychofunk

When I made my post earlier I misunderstood what was being done with the turbulator. I saw the thin fins (not so thing but remedicent of LRWW fins) and thought that they were like those in a waterblock. I thought that they increased the surface area of the rad that came into contact with the water and that it would move more heat out of the water thereby making the rad more effecient. Being that these turbulators only work to create turbulance does that help in the cooling ability of the rad. I am just curious.

Turbulators in radiators make the water swirl to the outer edges of the radiator to help trasfer the heat from the water to the radiator fins. So yeah it does help in the type of rad they are designed for.

[SysCrusher]

Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca

http://thermal-management-testing.com/ThermoChill.htm Oddly enough, there is a large performance difference between 12V and 7V. Your testing seems to be wrong. Wrong. SIMILAR principles apply to radiators.

Convection, conduction and radiation simliar or same principle? :shrug: LOL

Next your going to tell me there is no convection inside the radiator and the only convection is the air on the outside of the radiator. Then precede to tell me laminar flow is a good thing for heat transfer and the flow is truely turbulant inside said radiator.

[SysCrusher]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

So yeah it does help in the type of rad they are designed for.

Huh? Elaborate please?

[AngryAlpaca]

Convection, conduction and radiation simliar or same principle? LOL

Next your going to tell me there is no convection inside the radiator and the only convection is the air on the outside of the radiator. Then precede to tell me laminar flow is a good thing for heat transfer and the flow is truely turbulant inside said radiator.

While it is true that they both use convection, conduction and radiaton, the way they use them is different.

Huh? Elaborate please?

You don't get to talk anymore.

[SysCrusher]

Originally Posted by AngryAlpaca

While it is true that they both use convection, conduction and radiaton, the way they use them is different.

Ok AA, then tell me how different. This should be interesting.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by SysCrusher

Huh? Elaborate please?

You serious? :shrug: Either way whatever.

[SysCrusher]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

You serious? :shrug: Either way whatever.

Just what I thought.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by SysCrusher

Just what I thought.

I was hoping you thought it didn't need elaborating which it doesn't.

Pretty simple, turbulators work in rads they are designed for, and don't work in one's they are not designed for (mainly because they don't fit). Is it that hard to understand?

[killernoodle]

I'll bet you guys didnt consider that standard heatercores already have "turbulators" in them. Notice they are very thin channels and zig zag all the way to the bottom. This promotes turbulence in the channels and exposes more water to copper than a round tube and turbulators will anyday. It also removes the boundary layer. Heatercores are very effecient at removing heat because of the fin design as well. If you notice, the heatercore's fins are not at all solid. In the middle of the unit, the flat fins are stamped into many tiny pins which also increase surface area and turbulence inside the heatercore.

Heatercores are designed to be quite effecient at cooling and heating, and it shows through the overall design of the thing. Why would they do all that nifty stuff to it like making the channels zig-zag and having the fins be pins if it didnt help performance any?

[Althornin]

Originally Posted by SysCrusher

Just what I thought.

frigging grow up.
no one wants someone to come in and just taunt others with some supposed higher knowledge.
Put up, or STFU.

[bigben2k]

Ahem...

I don't know either why Hayden chose a copper interior with an aluminium exterior. It might be a cost issue (given the price of copper), but the added manufacturing step surely nullifies the savings. Maybe it's more of a functionality thing: copper will oxidize rather rapidly, especially left outside, which may impede performance. An aluminium exterior would be ideal for a car.

The Hayden tranny cooler still runs at more than 60$US, and it's hard to justify that cost, unless there's a need for a small but efficient radiator. Still airflow is critical, and that doesn't change with the size of the rad.

I'll have to go to my local auto shop sometime, and open up a box to see. What I don't like is that from the exterior, it looks "all aluminium", which would mean that the inlet/outlet would have to have this aluminium scraped off. Hopefully the alu doesn't extend a bit inside the tubes, because that would be a pita to remove.

Anybody got their hands on one of those famous Serck coolers? I almost bought one off eBay the other day, but didn't care to spend the money for shipping from the UK.

[8-Ball]

They use a copper aluminium mix because, as I understand it, most of their rads are tranny coolers, which mean they are cooling OIL not water.

And if they are cooling water in cars, then it will have a lot of corrosion inhibitors in.

8-ball