Greek chars in thread posts

BGP Spook · 02-28-2006, 05:26 PM

How did you make the delta T?
EDIT: Question directed at jman1310.

BGP Spook · 02-28-2006, 09:39 PM

I did not phrase the question correctly.

I meant to ask how you got the delta symbol in delta T to show up instead of typing delta.

jman1310 · 02-28-2006, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BGP Spook

I did not phrase the question correctly.

I meant to ask how you got the delta symbol in delta T to show up instead of typing delta.

oh, sorry.
i copy/pasted it out of the character map in windows

BGP Spook · 03-01-2006, 05:03 AM

at me.

Thank you.

BillA · 03-01-2006, 08:55 AM

∆
does anyone know how to extract the alt-key sequence for symbols ?
e.g. ° is alt-0176 (depress alt and the sequence 0176)
where can one find a list of such for Greek characters ?

https://www.xplor.org/charactermap.cfm
http://phoenix.phys.clemson.edu/tuto...l/symbols.html
http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/sD...847800,00.html
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?...0%26%20accents

I was/am under the impression that all characters can be so typed ??
is there a list ?
or can some only be called as symbols ?

BillA · 03-01-2006, 09:15 AM

http://www.softlab.ntua.gr/~sivann/xgrk/greek-zvr.html
jeez

so as macros ?

come on TM, jump in here

BillA · 03-01-2006, 10:03 AM

ahhh

alt-&916 will work in word (shift for & not needed), but not in this window (creates ö here)
http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/i...reekchart.html

Marci · 03-01-2006, 10:32 AM

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/ALTchrc.html (google alt char codes)

Note - also depends whether the character in question is included in the charset within the default font for the site in which it's used... so where alt-blahdewhateva may result in a copyright symbol here in the verdana fontset, go to a site that uses Tahoma fontset and it may just show a square box... if using these codes, best to stick to standard typefaces - arial, verdana, helvetica, times new roman etc etc.

Also, US & UK Keyboard layout can result in differences.

Greek symbols as you're referring to are done as ampersands under html - more a html code than a windows alt-char code...

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/HTMLchrc.html

or via the builtin windows "symbols" fontset... requiring the font to be defined first, but won't work here as inline styles are used and it won't parse <font> html tags correctly (i think)

http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/SYMBchrc.html

Marci · 03-01-2006, 10:41 AM

[html]<FONT FACE="SYMBOL">z</font>[/html]

EDIT: nope, no html parsing... can't use that method.

TerraMex · 03-01-2006, 10:50 AM

to display certain characters you need the proper coding installed, just as you can't see japanese, russian, etc. And proper font.
And even so, it doesn't work on all browsers.
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ancgre...rsettings.html
http://www.stoa.org/unicode/ (you should be able to see the greek text -> european encoding should be installed)

-> AFAIK , to view as "normal" writing.

PS: huge offtopic

.

PPS: Jumped.

TerraMex · 03-01-2006, 11:03 AM

test : Ζ Η Γ Δ bla bla bla α β

(http://www.stoa.org/unicode/charts/greek.html -> use the "&#" coding)

BillA · 03-01-2006, 11:14 AM

more please
when I hit # (with alt depressed) I shift half way up the page
?
I had that code but could only make it work in Word
?

EDIT
what does topic mean ?

TerraMex · 03-01-2006, 11:34 AM

what's unclear ? how to actually write the chars using those charts?
here (forum, web) anything written between "#&" and ";" translates into char.

so "&#xxx;" xxx=945 withou the "" , appears as α .

edited (better this way?)

Brians256 · 03-01-2006, 11:36 AM

Place to discuss how we can get special characters like alpha, beta and degree symbol into posts. Now, we can stop the thread hijack.

Brians256 · 03-01-2006, 11:37 AM

Topic? Don't we just thread hijack when we feel like it?

Seriously, go here please and leave this poor man's radiators alone.

TerraMex · 03-01-2006, 11:37 AM

can I suggest to move all posts regarding this to here ?
(i've already answered anyway

)

Brians256 · 03-01-2006, 11:38 AM

OK, I cannot use the Alt-&#193 method because as soon as I touch a number while holding the Alt key down, my browser jumps up half a page. I'm using firefox. Is it different when using microshaft's browser?

Brians256 · 03-01-2006, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerraMex

can I suggest to move all posts regarding this to here ?
(i've already answered anyway

)

I do not know how to do it without researching. As I am supposed to be working right now and earning my keep, I'll wait until someone else tells me how to do it or people stop thinking it's really important.

TerraMex · 03-01-2006, 11:52 AM

"ugh. really, you guys. seriously." - Cartman.

you dont use the alt.
Just write the "&#xxx;" with the being xxx the number of the char you want, and it displays the designated char.

http://www.stoa.org/unicode/charts/greek.html -> charts.

it's copy paste folks. not rocket science.

PS: ς=nerd.

BillA · 03-01-2006, 12:39 PM

go easy on us TM, we're computer challenged - or at least I am

Brian, same for me on IE

Δ

??
BTFOOM

Δ
that was copy/paste from the table

per the inst http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/i...art.html#about
"Windows Word 2003 Alt Codes
Use ALT plus the decimal version of any code to input it into a Windows document.

Note: These work only in Word 2003 for Windows XP. Users with other software or versions of Windows may wish to use the Character Map instead."

I'll leave it be, works per the inst in word but not in this window
damned if I understand how TM typed in those symbols !!

BillA · 03-01-2006, 12:41 PM

ah shit

converts when the page/window is uploaded

ok TM

TerraMex · 03-01-2006, 12:55 PM

yes, code is converted into characters upon "post".
Same with , as stated, html code.
Like i said, everything between "&#" and ";" is usually considered (3 numbers, in this case) a char code. No oldschool DOS commands.

you should really try Opera or Firefox, way better.
or even myie2.

؀Edit: just for kicks, arabic. same encoding, 4 digits :

1577, 1578 -> ة , ت

Ha!. I dare the CIA.

BillA · 03-01-2006, 01:57 PM

the CIA ?
Congressional Idiots Apologists ?

Brians256 · 03-01-2006, 02:01 PM

TerraMex, I've been using Windows since version 3.0 (before even 3.1 or 3.1 for workgroups). So go easy on us.

It's not a common activity for the foreign language impaired Americans to be inputting those strange chars. The only way I knew of was to use Alt and then three digits for the char code, but I only remember doing that in MS Word.

Brians256 · 03-01-2006, 02:02 PM

I think TM is giving the CIA a bit of a jibe about searching for any Arabic posts for suspected terrorism.

02-28-2006, 09:39 PM	#2
BGP Spook Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 153	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? I did not phrase the question correctly. I meant to ask how you got the delta symbol in delta T to show up instead of typing delta. __________________ I can't spell, but I am working on it.

03-01-2006, 05:03 AM	#4
BGP Spook Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 153	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? at me. Thank you. __________________ I can't spell, but I am working on it.

03-01-2006, 08:55 AM	#5
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? ∆ does anyone know how to extract the alt-key sequence for symbols ? e.g. ° is alt-0176 (depress alt and the sequence 0176) where can one find a list of such for Greek characters ? https://www.xplor.org/charactermap.cfm http://phoenix.phys.clemson.edu/tuto...l/symbols.html http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/sD...847800,00.html http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?...0%26%20accents I was/am under the impression that all characters can be so typed ?? is there a list ? or can some only be called as symbols ? Last edited by BillA; 03-01-2006 at 09:08 AM.

03-01-2006, 09:15 AM	#6
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? http://www.softlab.ntua.gr/~sivann/xgrk/greek-zvr.html jeez so as macros ? come on TM, jump in here

03-01-2006, 10:03 AM	#7
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? ahhh alt-&916 will work in word (shift for & not needed), but not in this window (creates ö here) http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/i...reekchart.html

02-28-2006, 05:26 PM	#1
BGP Spook Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 153	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? How did you make the delta T? EDIT: Question directed at jman1310. __________________ I can't spell, but I am working on it. Last edited by BGP Spook; 02-28-2006 at 07:36 PM.

03-01-2006, 10:32 AM	#8
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/ALTchrc.html (google alt char codes) Note - also depends whether the character in question is included in the charset within the default font for the site in which it's used... so where alt-blahdewhateva may result in a copyright symbol here in the verdana fontset, go to a site that uses Tahoma fontset and it may just show a square box... if using these codes, best to stick to standard typefaces - arial, verdana, helvetica, times new roman etc etc. Also, US & UK Keyboard layout can result in differences. Greek symbols as you're referring to are done as ampersands under html - more a html code than a windows alt-char code... http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/HTMLchrc.html or via the builtin windows "symbols" fontset... requiring the font to be defined first, but won't work here as inline styles are used and it won't parse <font> html tags correctly (i think) http://www.tedmontgomery.com/tutorial/SYMBchrc.html __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk Last edited by Marci; 03-01-2006 at 10:40 AM.

03-01-2006, 10:41 AM	#9
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? [html]<FONT FACE="SYMBOL">z</font>[/html] EDIT: nope, no html parsing... can't use that method. __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

03-01-2006, 10:50 AM	#10
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? to display certain characters you need the proper coding installed, just as you can't see japanese, russian, etc. And proper font. And even so, it doesn't work on all browsers. http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ancgre...rsettings.html http://www.stoa.org/unicode/ (you should be able to see the greek text -> european encoding should be installed) -> AFAIK , to view as "normal" writing. PS: huge offtopic . PPS: Jumped. __________________ "we need more cowbell." Last edited by TerraMex; 03-01-2006 at 10:57 AM.

03-01-2006, 11:03 AM	#11
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? test : Ζ Η Γ Δ bla bla bla α β (http://www.stoa.org/unicode/charts/greek.html -> use the "&#" coding) __________________ "we need more cowbell."

03-01-2006, 11:14 AM	#12
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? more please when I hit # (with alt depressed) I shift half way up the page ? I had that code but could only make it work in Word ? EDIT what does topic mean ?

03-01-2006, 11:34 AM	#13
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? what's unclear ? how to actually write the chars using those charts? here (forum, web) anything written between "#&" and ";" translates into char. so "&#xxx;" xxx=945 withou the "" , appears as α . edited (better this way?) __________________ "we need more cowbell." Last edited by TerraMex; 03-01-2006 at 11:54 AM.

03-01-2006, 11:36 AM	#14
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Greek chars in thread posts Place to discuss how we can get special characters like alpha, beta and degree symbol into posts. Now, we can stop the thread hijack.

03-01-2006, 11:37 AM	#15
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: Diff betwen rad designs? Topic? Don't we just thread hijack when we feel like it? Seriously, go here please and leave this poor man's radiators alone.

03-01-2006, 11:37 AM	#16
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Re: Greek chars in thread posts can I suggest to move all posts regarding this to here ? (i've already answered anyway ) __________________ "we need more cowbell."

03-01-2006, 11:38 AM	#17
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: Greek chars in thread posts OK, I cannot use the Alt-&#193 method because as soon as I touch a number while holding the Alt key down, my browser jumps up half a page. I'm using firefox. Is it different when using microshaft's browser?

03-01-2006, 11:52 AM	#19
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Re: Greek chars in thread posts "ugh. really, you guys. seriously." - Cartman. you dont use the alt. Just write the "&#xxx;" with the being xxx the number of the char you want, and it displays the designated char. http://www.stoa.org/unicode/charts/greek.html -> charts. it's copy paste folks. not rocket science. PS: ς=nerd. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

03-01-2006, 12:39 PM	#20
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	Re: Greek chars in thread posts go easy on us TM, we're computer challenged - or at least I am Brian, same for me on IE Δ ?? BTFOOM Δ that was copy/paste from the table per the inst http://tlt.its.psu.edu/suggestions/i...art.html#about "Windows Word 2003 Alt Codes Use ALT plus the decimal version of any code to input it into a Windows document. Note: These work only in Word 2003 for Windows XP. Users with other software or versions of Windows may wish to use the Character Map instead." I'll leave it be, works per the inst in word but not in this window damned if I understand how TM typed in those symbols !!

03-01-2006, 12:41 PM	#21
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	Re: Greek chars in thread posts ah shit converts when the page/window is uploaded ok TM

03-01-2006, 12:55 PM	#22
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Re: Greek chars in thread posts yes, code is converted into characters upon "post". Same with , as stated, html code. Like i said, everything between "&#" and ";" is usually considered (3 numbers, in this case) a char code. No oldschool DOS commands. you should really try Opera or Firefox, way better. or even myie2. ؀Edit: just for kicks, arabic. same encoding, 4 digits : 1577, 1578 -> ة , ت Ha!. I dare the CIA. __________________ "we need more cowbell." Last edited by TerraMex; 03-01-2006 at 01:04 PM.

03-01-2006, 01:57 PM	#23
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	Re: Greek chars in thread posts the CIA ? Congressional Idiots Apologists ?

03-01-2006, 02:01 PM	#24
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: Greek chars in thread posts TerraMex, I've been using Windows since version 3.0 (before even 3.1 or 3.1 for workgroups). So go easy on us. It's not a common activity for the foreign language impaired Americans to be inputting those strange chars. The only way I knew of was to use Alt and then three digits for the char code, but I only remember doing that in MS Word.

03-01-2006, 02:02 PM	#25
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Re: Greek chars in thread posts I think TM is giving the CIA a bit of a jibe about searching for any Arabic posts for suspected terrorism.

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