Q about air-trap

the creature · 09-28-2001, 03:28 AM

I was planing too add a "T" and take a cable to the higest point in the case, but should I add that "T" at the higest point off the watter-cooling too? Or can I add the "T" anywhere (rad,watterblock osv.)?

At the end of the cable from the "T" can I close it, so it don't leak? or doen't it work if I close it?

gmat · 09-28-2001, 07:13 AM

1 - put that T at the highest point
2 - put a cap on, or the small - but high enough - pressure induced by the pump will make it leak

Moreover look at other threads in this forum. With 2 T's you can bleed more efficiently (and easily) your system. Instead of the T you can use a small reservoir - like Turbokeu's.

the creature · 09-28-2001, 02:15 PM

OK, that was good you told me or I surrly would become broke when I turned the colling system on.

I don't understand how the system white 2 T's would make it easyer to fill/emty the watter.

Does the enhime pumpe get destroyd if you turn it without watter in it?

redleader · 09-28-2001, 04:33 PM

It was just brought up yesterday in another thread. Basically you put 2 Ts near each other and then a valve in between them. To fill you close the valve and open both Ts. Then you use a funnel or something and fill from one T. Air is forced out the other because the closed valve prevents it from "shorting" between the 2 Ts.

Like I said, I just hear of it yesterday, but it seems like a MUCG better way. Filling through a single T is a pain in but because lots of air is never forced out. This prevents that. Next time I drain my system I'll be trying it.

Starting an Egeim without water (unprimed) makes a horrible noise, but it doesn't damage the pump. At least not right away. I wouldn't try it.

gmat · 09-28-2001, 07:50 PM

As i said, look at other threads in this forum, there's lot of information (about 2 T's).
About starting an empty water pump (Eheim or Danner or any mag-drive) it's a bad idea. The rattle sound will give you an idea of the suffering endured by the poor pump... Really it will overcharge mechanical parts of your pump (impeller, engine) - no good.

the creature · 09-29-2001, 03:33 AM

Yes, I read that tread, but I can't find it again.

I see now how it it easyer to fill it, but how do you do to empty the watter from the cables (Is it hose it's named)?

Where should you place the T's? At the higest or lowest part of the system - or dosen't that matter?

Sorry about my BAD anglish, I don't know why, but it feels like i'm writing worser for every day

the creature · 09-29-2001, 03:36 AM

And by the way, "valve" - aren't that a on/off svitche?

gmat · 09-29-2001, 01:59 PM

Yep a valve=tap. Cuts water off.
You say "hose" not wire, wire is electrical. Hose carry water...
Yes you should put those 2 T's at the highest point.

Lord Twilight · 09-29-2001, 08:45 PM

But if you put the valves at the bottom, wouldn't it be a lot easier to drain the system, then use the pump to suck water back into the system to refill it? Hmm.. Wouldn't that work with an airtrap/res?

Maybe not, (I'm kinda new to Watercooling, and only planning out my new system) but I was planning on putting the two valves and tap at the bottom of the system, with an airtrap at the top. The to drain, couldn't you just open the airtrap, and open the valves (into a bucket or something) to drain out the water, then to refill, couldn't you partly fill the system through the airtrap, then once the pump is primed, close the tap, and turn on the pump to suck the new water into the system?

I would make a picture, but don't have anywhere to post one...

Turbokeu · 09-30-2001, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Twilight:
But if you put the valves at the bottom, wouldn't it be a lot easier to drain the system, then use the pump to suck water back into the system to refill it? Hmm.. Wouldn't that work with an airtrap/res?

Maybe not, (I'm kinda new to Watercooling, and only planning out my new system) but I was planning on putting the two valves and tap at the bottom of the system, with an airtrap at the top. The to drain, couldn't you just open the airtrap, and open the valves (into a bucket or something) to drain out the water, then to refill, couldn't you partly fill the system through the airtrap, then once the pump is primed, close the tap, and turn on the pump to suck the new water into the system?

I would make a picture, but don't have anywhere to post one...

This is basically how my system works.
See my threads http://forums.procooling.com/ubbcgi/...c&f=2&t=000555
and http://forums.procooling.com/ubbcgi/...c&f=2&t=000610

CD

the creature · 10-01-2001, 03:34 AM

How does you drain the system (when you have the T's at the top)

Blow air in the in T, untill you get all the watter out?

gmat · 10-01-2001, 10:52 AM

Either your setupis like Turbokeu's and there's no confusion.
Or you have 2 T's at the top, connected to two hoses (after 2 taps).
Hose 1 - Intake: this hose must finish *over* your system (over everything, including rads, T's and other tubing)
Hose 2 - Output: this hose must finish *under* your system.
This creates a 'syphon' (i dont know the exact english word). Water will always get drained towards the output hose as long as it *ends up* under your system... Try it - it's magic.

the creature · 10-02-2001, 01:57 AM

I place the two T at the top, so they function like an air-trap. Then I take the IN T and add a hose and fasten that higher then the rest of the system.
The other T (OUT), (wiche is place right after/before the other T (IN)), I add a hose to that too, but that hose I place belowe the rest of the system. and when I open that one (OUT), then the water would drain trough that T (OUT), and I dosen't turn the pump on or anything? (I assume that the IN and the valve in the middle (betwen the two other T)are closed).

That did get long, but I want to be, 110% sure that I don't do anything wrong.

gmat · 10-02-2001, 04:02 AM

Open the OUT and open the IN, the middle valve is closed. This way you purge the system.

Anyways feel free to experiment with no electronics installed, just with water system. All you risk is to get wet

[ 10-02-2001: Message edited by: SureFoot ]

09-28-2001, 03:28 AM	#1
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	Q about air-trap I was planing too add a "T" and take a cable to the higest point in the case, but should I add that "T" at the higest point off the watter-cooling too? Or can I add the "T" anywhere (rad,watterblock osv.)? At the end of the cable from the "T" can I close it, so it don't leak? or doen't it work if I close it?

09-29-2001, 08:45 PM	#9
Lord Twilight Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 47	But if you put the valves at the bottom, wouldn't it be a lot easier to drain the system, then use the pump to suck water back into the system to refill it? Hmm.. Wouldn't that work with an airtrap/res? Maybe not, (I'm kinda new to Watercooling, and only planning out my new system) but I was planning on putting the two valves and tap at the bottom of the system, with an airtrap at the top. The to drain, couldn't you just open the airtrap, and open the valves (into a bucket or something) to drain out the water, then to refill, couldn't you partly fill the system through the airtrap, then once the pump is primed, close the tap, and turn on the pump to suck the new water into the system? I would make a picture, but don't have anywhere to post one... __________________ I've come to suck the fun out of the night.

09-28-2001, 07:13 AM	#2
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	1 - put that T at the highest point 2 - put a cap on, or the small - but high enough - pressure induced by the pump will make it leak Moreover look at other threads in this forum. With 2 T's you can bleed more efficiently (and easily) your system. Instead of the T you can use a small reservoir - like Turbokeu's.

09-28-2001, 02:15 PM	#3
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	OK, that was good you told me or I surrly would become broke when I turned the colling system on. I don't understand how the system white 2 T's would make it easyer to fill/emty the watter. Does the enhime pumpe get destroyd if you turn it without watter in it?

09-28-2001, 04:33 PM	#4
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	It was just brought up yesterday in another thread. Basically you put 2 Ts near each other and then a valve in between them. To fill you close the valve and open both Ts. Then you use a funnel or something and fill from one T. Air is forced out the other because the closed valve prevents it from "shorting" between the 2 Ts. Like I said, I just hear of it yesterday, but it seems like a MUCG better way. Filling through a single T is a pain in but because lots of air is never forced out. This prevents that. Next time I drain my system I'll be trying it. Starting an Egeim without water (unprimed) makes a horrible noise, but it doesn't damage the pump. At least not right away. I wouldn't try it.

09-28-2001, 07:50 PM	#5
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	As i said, look at other threads in this forum, there's lot of information (about 2 T's). About starting an empty water pump (Eheim or Danner or any mag-drive) it's a bad idea. The rattle sound will give you an idea of the suffering endured by the poor pump... Really it will overcharge mechanical parts of your pump (impeller, engine) - no good.

09-29-2001, 03:33 AM	#6
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	Yes, I read that tread, but I can't find it again. I see now how it it easyer to fill it, but how do you do to empty the watter from the cables (Is it hose it's named)? Where should you place the T's? At the higest or lowest part of the system - or dosen't that matter? Sorry about my BAD anglish, I don't know why, but it feels like i'm writing worser for every day

09-29-2001, 03:36 AM	#7
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	And by the way, "valve" - aren't that a on/off svitche?

09-29-2001, 01:59 PM	#8
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Yep a valve=tap. Cuts water off. You say "hose" not wire, wire is electrical. Hose carry water... Yes you should put those 2 T's at the highest point.

10-01-2001, 03:34 AM	#11
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	How does you drain the system (when you have the T's at the top) Blow air in the in T, untill you get all the watter out?

10-01-2001, 10:52 AM	#12
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Either your setupis like Turbokeu's and there's no confusion. Or you have 2 T's at the top, connected to two hoses (after 2 taps). Hose 1 - Intake: this hose must finish over your system (over everything, including rads, T's and other tubing) Hose 2 - Output: this hose must finish under your system. This creates a 'syphon' (i dont know the exact english word). Water will always get drained towards the output hose as long as it ends up under your system... Try it - it's magic.

10-02-2001, 01:57 AM	#13
the creature Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 108	I place the two T at the top, so they function like an air-trap. Then I take the IN T and add a hose and fasten that higher then the rest of the system. The other T (OUT), (wiche is place right after/before the other T (IN)), I add a hose to that too, but that hose I place belowe the rest of the system. and when I open that one (OUT), then the water would drain trough that T (OUT), and I dosen't turn the pump on or anything? (I assume that the IN and the valve in the middle (betwen the two other T)are closed). That did get long, but I want to be, 110% sure that I don't do anything wrong.

10-02-2001, 04:02 AM	#14
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Open the OUT and open the IN, the middle valve is closed. This way you purge the system. Anyways feel free to experiment with no electronics installed, just with water system. All you risk is to get wet [ 10-02-2001: Message edited by: SureFoot ]

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