Water Cooling Safety Net?

Bargler · 07-08-2001, 03:59 AM

Can anyone point me to some help in finding a safeguard or two for my system?

Is there anything that will detect the failure of the water pump and shutdown the machine accordingly?

I understand that there are many ways to have the machine emergency shut itself down if system temps get too high, but how reliable are these bios settings/add on utils at this job? One failure would be disasterous. I use the AbitKT7a motherboard's bios for this purpose, and have never had to use it, thankfully.

I'd like to be able to walk away from my machine without worrying about a smoking pile of silicon greeting me when I get home.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bargler

GuyBFF · 07-08-2001, 04:53 AM

I personally believe a good quality pump (Danner or Eheim) should last as long or longer than a heat sink fan. Usually with magnetic dirve pumps you will hear the shaft bearings becoming weak long before they fail (and the pump usually continues anyways).

I use MotherBoard Manager 5 (MBM5). You can add on a shutdown program and it appears to be reliable (I unplugges the pump and saw!), but still, I trust my H20 as much as I trust a HSF, it's a risk you gotta take!

TNT2bluz · 07-08-2001, 07:47 AM

My danner exhibits no wear or tear whatsoever. The impeller floats in a magnetic field. There are no seals or brushes to wear afaik. Just don't operate it without water or else it will overheat and burn out.

I think it would be those overheating burnouts or electrical shitzap that you should be more ready for.

Well my suggestion for that would be to make a circuit that allows you to feed power to the pump first before power is fed to the PC.

I think you'd be needing a relay or something. Let me try to look for the diagram somewhere.

DSREC · 07-08-2001, 11:07 AM

all these pumps being mentioned -- where exactly is the BEST PLACE to buy a pump for water-cooling purposes. I've seen alot of brandnames floating around but I'm trying to pick one. I'm going to be using a BlackIce Rad, but thats about all I've picked out so far. I'd also really appreciate some advice on waterblocks (copper being a better choice since the BlackIce's internals are copper as well)?

redleader · 07-08-2001, 11:38 AM

Ehiem pumps can be bought from www.dangerden.com

GuyBFF · 07-08-2001, 01:21 PM

Danner Mag-Drive #2 - 250gph can be purchased at www.aquastealth.com, or you can purchase the bigger #3 - 350gph, #5 - 500gph, #7-700gph at probably any local fish or hydroponics store.

DSREC · 07-08-2001, 04:41 PM

I saw a little waterblock for cooling the mobo's chipset. anyone every had any luck doing this or is it a complete waste and should just stay with a nice HSF for it?

BrianW · 07-08-2001, 05:11 PM

I am going to cool a cpu, gpu, mb with the setup im building. DD Maze 2 and 2 40 mm blocks from oc-wc.

Bargler · 07-10-2001, 03:30 PM

Thanks for the replies, folks.

You have put me a bit more at ease. I guess the answer is to not skimp on the pump quality, eh?

Bargler

nportelli · 07-11-2001, 12:42 PM

Ehiems are good but too expensive. I've been running a maxijet on my aquarium for about 3 years straight and it is doing fine. Mags are just as good. And a lot cheaper.

07-08-2001, 03:59 AM	#1
Bargler Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2	Water Cooling Safety Net? Can anyone point me to some help in finding a safeguard or two for my system? Is there anything that will detect the failure of the water pump and shutdown the machine accordingly? I understand that there are many ways to have the machine emergency shut itself down if system temps get too high, but how reliable are these bios settings/add on utils at this job? One failure would be disasterous. I use the AbitKT7a motherboard's bios for this purpose, and have never had to use it, thankfully. I'd like to be able to walk away from my machine without worrying about a smoking pile of silicon greeting me when I get home. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Bargler

07-08-2001, 11:07 AM	#4
DSREC Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 18	all these pumps being mentioned -- where exactly is the BEST PLACE to buy a pump for water-cooling purposes. I've seen alot of brandnames floating around but I'm trying to pick one. I'm going to be using a BlackIce Rad, but thats about all I've picked out so far. I'd also really appreciate some advice on waterblocks (copper being a better choice since the BlackIce's internals are copper as well)? __________________ AMD T-Bird 1.1Ghz @ 1385 ABit KT7A-Raid Mobo 768Mb Mushkin REV3+/CL2 SDRAM DangerDen Maze2/BlackIce/Eheim 1250 3 x 40Gig Maxtor IDE HD's Hercules 3D Prophet III [GeForce3]

07-08-2001, 01:21 PM	#6
GuyBFF Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Winnipeg, MB, CA Posts: 242	Danner Mag-Drive #2 - 250gph can be purchased at www.aquastealth.com, or you can purchase the bigger #3 - 350gph, #5 - 500gph, #7-700gph at probably any local fish or hydroponics store. __________________ A7V8X Danger Den Maze II Danner Mag Drive 350 Heater Core Style Rad Thunderbird 1400 (Soon Barton) 512mb PC2700 CL2 Promise SX4000 Raid 5 w/256mb PC133 Cache 4x40gb Western Digital 7200hdd Plus More...

07-08-2001, 05:11 PM	#8
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	I am going to cool a cpu, gpu, mb with the setup im building. DD Maze 2 and 2 40 mm blocks from oc-wc. __________________ Water Cooled Inwin Q500 (Dual Rads: Rad1 = DTEK Pro Core \| Rad2 = Blick Ice Estreme, Hydor L30, Dangerden Maze2, Bay Res Typhoon Reservoir, 1/2 " DD Tygon Thick Wall Hose). Flow: Res, Pump, CPU watervlock, Y into both rads, both rads into res independently. Athlon XP 1800+ (@ 1731 - 150mhz fsb.), on a Asus A7N266-c, and a Radeon 9000 *waiting for RMA'd Saphire 9800 ultra from Newegg)

07-08-2001, 04:53 AM	#2
GuyBFF Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Winnipeg, MB, CA Posts: 242	I personally believe a good quality pump (Danner or Eheim) should last as long or longer than a heat sink fan. Usually with magnetic dirve pumps you will hear the shaft bearings becoming weak long before they fail (and the pump usually continues anyways). I use MotherBoard Manager 5 (MBM5). You can add on a shutdown program and it appears to be reliable (I unplugges the pump and saw!), but still, I trust my H20 as much as I trust a HSF, it's a risk you gotta take! __________________ A7V8X Danger Den Maze II Danner Mag Drive 350 Heater Core Style Rad Thunderbird 1400 (Soon Barton) 512mb PC2700 CL2 Promise SX4000 Raid 5 w/256mb PC133 Cache 4x40gb Western Digital 7200hdd Plus More...

07-08-2001, 07:47 AM	#3
TNT2bluz Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Secret Staging Grounds Ganymede Posts: 104	My danner exhibits no wear or tear whatsoever. The impeller floats in a magnetic field. There are no seals or brushes to wear afaik. Just don't operate it without water or else it will overheat and burn out. I think it would be those overheating burnouts or electrical shitzap that you should be more ready for. Well my suggestion for that would be to make a circuit that allows you to feed power to the pump first before power is fed to the PC. I think you'd be needing a relay or something. Let me try to look for the diagram somewhere.

07-08-2001, 11:38 AM	#5
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	Ehiem pumps can be bought from www.dangerden.com

07-08-2001, 04:41 PM	#7
DSREC Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 18	I saw a little waterblock for cooling the mobo's chipset. anyone every had any luck doing this or is it a complete waste and should just stay with a nice HSF for it? __________________ AMD T-Bird 1.1Ghz @ 1385 ABit KT7A-Raid Mobo 768Mb Mushkin REV3+/CL2 SDRAM DangerDen Maze2/BlackIce/Eheim 1250 3 x 40Gig Maxtor IDE HD's Hercules 3D Prophet III [GeForce3]

07-10-2001, 03:30 PM	#9
Bargler Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2	Thanks for the replies, folks. You have put me a bit more at ease. I guess the answer is to not skimp on the pump quality, eh? Bargler

07-11-2001, 12:42 PM	#10
nportelli Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 26	Ehiems are good but too expensive. I've been running a maxijet on my aquarium for about 3 years straight and it is doing fine. Mags are just as good. And a lot cheaper.

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