Reflection on Watercooling experience

SonixOS · 04-16-2002, 07:15 PM

Pull from a thread... yes this deserves its own thread

Otay i got the wierdest setup of all. Many ppl dont call it watercooling becuz of the portability and the stuff i used in my homebrew kit. It took me a while to set this up cuz i always asked ppl Qs and not rtfm'ed. hehe *cough*phaestus*cough*. Alrighty lets get to the explaination and the results.
I got a condensor NOT a radiator or heater core. It basically does the same thing. According to this mechanic friend who supplied me with it, it is a pull from a honda. It is used to cool the freon in the a/c system. So its basically the same thing. Pro/Site had an explaination of all radiators I think mine fits the one that is supposed to be the slowest of all and has the largest surface area.
The waterblock is nothing special. Maze 1c for free from DDen.
Tubing: 7 feet of silicone (shoulda gotten more).
Pump: Eheim 1250 317 gph from DDen.
Fan: LOUD ASS Comair-Rotron 200 cfm 55dba from Caseetc. Keep this in mind cuz its the reason why my watercooling isnt officially watercooling.
Now to the ghettoest part of it. My Resevoir. My resevoir wasnt really intended to be what it turned out to be. I was just using a jug to do the measurements. I used 1/2 gallon of water. My setup uses a little bit more than 1/4 gallon but its nice to have the extra. My mom got upset when she saw that I got some sort of colored chemical in the jug so she toldme to throw the jug away after i'm done. So i just kept it. And now, my pump is setup on top of 3 Phonebooks to get to the water, and the water is inside my Jug and the jug has a digital probe that is used for checking if ur beef is cooked hehe.

So lets restate all of this insanity. I have all of my system OUTSIDE my case. only two tubes for inlet and outlet going into my box. The outlet goes out to the Jug, Eheim 1250 pump sucks water from the jug to the radiator, radiator got a 55dba fan and then from there, the water goes straight into my 1700+ AXP.
All of this stuff makes ALOT of noise. My computer desk is right next to the Air Conditioning closet so I just stuffed everything in there and let the tubes out. I got pictures of this but i'm too lazay to put it up haha. here is a link of the stuff before being stuffed in the closet. You can see the closet door is right next to it http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nuba8...0Complete%20v1/

Results:
My AXP 1700+ stock speed is 1467 mhz. Its stock multiplier and FSB is 11x133. Right now, I am running it at 11x155. I could drop the multiplier down to 10x. BUT! my memory stinx. it doesnt work at 10x170. Which is basically the same speed. I even tried 10x180 and it POSTs but no windows. So i guess i need to get that Mushkin level 2 performance series.
Temperatures:
This is where I am not as impressed. This computer is in the basement. My Temps are usually 10 degrees celsius above Ambient. Its usually 29C ambient, 39C CPU and say 26 water temp in the resevoir. I just turned on my AC like 1 hr ago and it did wonders to my radiator. I expected the AC would cause alot of heat and warm it up not cool it down. After its been on for that long, my Temps are now, 27 Ambient, 23C water, 35C CPU. THATS A WHOPPING 4C! I am personally not a fan of getting 5 degrees better and paying 30 bux so no maze3. Thats why I am considering a peltier. My friend broke his peltier by installing it backwards. Just a funny thing i thought i should include in there hehe.

Conclusion:
If i knew ahead of time would I have done this? DEFINITELY. I think this has been a very interesting experience. heck, i knew about watercooling about 2 months ago. Maybe even less. After a bad experience with an Aquastealth II kit from becooling i decided to go hardcore and make my own kit.

Recommendations:
Well, I am no expert, so the only tip i can give is RTFM! haha. really it works take it from a hardcore n00b. If you want to get watercooling just set aside 100 dollars and some social engineering skills. I am gonna get that mushkin chip 20% off cuz i'm leet and i got the maze1c free. Yeah, the maze 1c is crappy but its free. the condensor is probably gonna be for 50 dollars but i got it for free. about the fans. I DO NOT recommend you get this comair rotron, instead get 4 panaflos and install them. I can hear my fan upstairs in my air conditioning vent. NOT COOL! Right now as i said, my fan is on the floor so its cooling only the bottom part of the rad. I will be making some sort of cardboard thingy to spread the air evenly. Its gonna take a while to setup tho.

Well i got sum serious essay to write on this and on two plays i read. Damn school. Got questions? Reply.

i will try to setup a legit res using this 12oz Du-Bro tank i bought from a local hobby shop. its not really local its 10 miles away. I got it for 4.19 bux taxes included. u should get one too. I wonder how much the 1/2in fittings would be...

Picture 23 and 24 show the current setup.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nuba8/...Complete%20v1/

there are a couple of pictures in this folder
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nuba8/old%20pics/

ECUPirate · 04-16-2002, 08:55 PM

Depends on what comair you get. Mine is supposed to run at 24v, 235 CFM, but the max a PSU will supply is 12v. Hence, half speed. I have it on a rheostat to further reduce the noise. It will NOT run at 7v, even if it is already spinning.
I believe the one caseetc.com sells is 12v spec, so yeah, it's going to be a loud biatch.

ECUPirate · 04-16-2002, 08:59 PM

PS.. WTF is RTFM???

schoolie · 04-16-2002, 09:23 PM

Read The Fine Manual

(Hey isn't this the beginning of an Abbot and Costello routine

sunblade · 04-16-2002, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by schoolie
Read The Fine Manual

(Hey isn't this the beginning of an Abbot and Costello routine

And BFG stands for Big Friendly Gun. I think you can fill in the Fs yourself

SonixOS · 04-16-2002, 09:46 PM

why you gotta lie like that?
RTFM = READ THE F U C K I N G Manual

sorry moderators, feel free to censor this i dunno if its OK

S

schoolie · 04-16-2002, 10:26 PM

I swear, before the Internet went public, the 'F' stood for 'Fine'. A more genteel age

mkosem · 04-16-2002, 10:29 PM

hmm, all this vulgarity!

--Matt

MeltMan · 04-16-2002, 10:39 PM

heh, i dont know about all of you, but I always end up reading the manual AFTER i set everything up.

ECUPirate · 04-17-2002, 12:06 AM

me too.... while Windows is installing..

RTFM? none of my watercooling things came w/ manuals.. hmmm

Brad · 04-17-2002, 01:33 AM

F U C K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin · 04-17-2002, 01:42 AM

I only read those worthless pieces of paper if something goes wrong...

MeltMan · 04-17-2002, 08:44 AM

Yeah, or if im trying to figure out how the hell to do some advanced option of some sooper dooper thingamajig.

Manuals are for chicks

Windows manual? C'mon ECU, noone ever reads a WINDOWS manual! I have a few, but just for product keys.

Brad · 04-17-2002, 01:54 PM

windows comes with an instruction manual?

Pyrotechnic · 04-17-2002, 10:15 PM

well when you purchase a product key, it's printed into a manual thingy, or at least thats the way it is with windows 98.

ambient · 04-17-2002, 10:40 PM

thats why i like to call them the destructions rather than instructions =)

Marco · 04-18-2002, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sunblade

And BFG stands for Big Friendly Gun. I think you can fill in the Fs yourself

Haha! That's a very tasteful way of putting it

SonixOS · 04-18-2002, 04:19 PM

I just came back from my friend's house. He cut my Du-bro tank in the center for water output. looks good so far. I am waiting for the goop to harden then i will apply another layer to ensure its sealed well.

S

mx-6* · 04-18-2002, 08:11 PM

Dude if your water temp is 13C lower than your CPU temp at stock voltage with that large of a res, you should make sure that your block is on the processor.

I've had heatsinks do better than that.

SonixOS · 04-18-2002, 08:37 PM

no thats at 1.80 volts. At stock speed and voltage its usually 9C above water temp without the fan on.

SonixOS · 04-18-2002, 09:14 PM

I got the pictures of my tank up. I was wondering how many hours it would take for the goop to harden cuz i want to apply another layer. pictures at www.nubia.org/pics/ pictures 16-22 are pictures of the tank

S

SonixOS · 04-29-2002, 11:00 AM

btw- smaller res = lower temperature
my du-bro is performing great. Its usually 7-8 C above ambient and 10C full load. I tried to drain my kit but i couldn *blow* all the water out of my radiator. So i just used the old wauta. its prolly all nasty now but oh wells. I'll try empty it next weekend by turning on the pump and leaving the output to my sink or something. I dunno i'll figure it out
<edit> forgot to mention that i dumped my rotron. dont need that much noise. no fan works just fine <\edit>

S

jag_e_fattig · 04-29-2002, 12:54 PM

dude, that is probably the ghettoest (is that a word?) setup i have ever seen!

ECUPirate · 04-29-2002, 01:45 PM

BTW, I meant the mobo manual, not the windows manual, if it even exists. Besides, you'd probably have to BUY windows to get a printed manual (if it exists..).

And really, who wants to put up w/ all that activation crap?

SonixOS · 04-29-2002, 04:20 PM

dont sweat it jag

S

04-16-2002, 07:15 PM	#1
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	Reflection on Watercooling experience Pull from a thread... yes this deserves its own thread Otay i got the wierdest setup of all. Many ppl dont call it watercooling becuz of the portability and the stuff i used in my homebrew kit. It took me a while to set this up cuz i always asked ppl Qs and not rtfm'ed. hehe coughphaestuscough. Alrighty lets get to the explaination and the results. I got a condensor NOT a radiator or heater core. It basically does the same thing. According to this mechanic friend who supplied me with it, it is a pull from a honda. It is used to cool the freon in the a/c system. So its basically the same thing. Pro/Site had an explaination of all radiators I think mine fits the one that is supposed to be the slowest of all and has the largest surface area. The waterblock is nothing special. Maze 1c for free from DDen. Tubing: 7 feet of silicone (shoulda gotten more). Pump: Eheim 1250 317 gph from DDen. Fan: LOUD ASS Comair-Rotron 200 cfm 55dba from Caseetc. Keep this in mind cuz its the reason why my watercooling isnt officially watercooling. Now to the ghettoest part of it. My Resevoir. My resevoir wasnt really intended to be what it turned out to be. I was just using a jug to do the measurements. I used 1/2 gallon of water. My setup uses a little bit more than 1/4 gallon but its nice to have the extra. My mom got upset when she saw that I got some sort of colored chemical in the jug so she toldme to throw the jug away after i'm done. So i just kept it. And now, my pump is setup on top of 3 Phonebooks to get to the water, and the water is inside my Jug and the jug has a digital probe that is used for checking if ur beef is cooked hehe. So lets restate all of this insanity. I have all of my system OUTSIDE my case. only two tubes for inlet and outlet going into my box. The outlet goes out to the Jug, Eheim 1250 pump sucks water from the jug to the radiator, radiator got a 55dba fan and then from there, the water goes straight into my 1700+ AXP. All of this stuff makes ALOT of noise. My computer desk is right next to the Air Conditioning closet so I just stuffed everything in there and let the tubes out. I got pictures of this but i'm too lazay to put it up haha. here is a link of the stuff before being stuffed in the closet. You can see the closet door is right next to it http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nuba8...0Complete%20v1/ Results: My AXP 1700+ stock speed is 1467 mhz. Its stock multiplier and FSB is 11x133. Right now, I am running it at 11x155. I could drop the multiplier down to 10x. BUT! my memory stinx. it doesnt work at 10x170. Which is basically the same speed. I even tried 10x180 and it POSTs but no windows. So i guess i need to get that Mushkin level 2 performance series. Temperatures: This is where I am not as impressed. This computer is in the basement. My Temps are usually 10 degrees celsius above Ambient. Its usually 29C ambient, 39C CPU and say 26 water temp in the resevoir. I just turned on my AC like 1 hr ago and it did wonders to my radiator. I expected the AC would cause alot of heat and warm it up not cool it down. After its been on for that long, my Temps are now, 27 Ambient, 23C water, 35C CPU. THATS A WHOPPING 4C! I am personally not a fan of getting 5 degrees better and paying 30 bux so no maze3. Thats why I am considering a peltier. My friend broke his peltier by installing it backwards. Just a funny thing i thought i should include in there hehe. Conclusion: If i knew ahead of time would I have done this? DEFINITELY. I think this has been a very interesting experience. heck, i knew about watercooling about 2 months ago. Maybe even less. After a bad experience with an Aquastealth II kit from becooling i decided to go hardcore and make my own kit. Recommendations: Well, I am no expert, so the only tip i can give is RTFM! haha. really it works take it from a hardcore n00b. If you want to get watercooling just set aside 100 dollars and some social engineering skills. I am gonna get that mushkin chip 20% off cuz i'm leet and i got the maze1c free. Yeah, the maze 1c is crappy but its free. the condensor is probably gonna be for 50 dollars but i got it for free. about the fans. I DO NOT recommend you get this comair rotron, instead get 4 panaflos and install them. I can hear my fan upstairs in my air conditioning vent. NOT COOL! Right now as i said, my fan is on the floor so its cooling only the bottom part of the rad. I will be making some sort of cardboard thingy to spread the air evenly. Its gonna take a while to setup tho. Well i got sum serious essay to write on this and on two plays i read. Damn school. Got questions? Reply. i will try to setup a legit res using this 12oz Du-Bro tank i bought from a local hobby shop. its not really local its 10 miles away. I got it for 4.19 bux taxes included. u should get one too. I wonder how much the 1/2in fittings would be... Picture 23 and 24 show the current setup. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nuba8/...Complete%20v1/ there are a couple of pictures in this folder http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nuba8/old%20pics/

04-16-2002, 08:55 PM	#2
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	Depends on what comair you get. Mine is supposed to run at 24v, 235 CFM, but the max a PSU will supply is 12v. Hence, half speed. I have it on a rheostat to further reduce the noise. It will NOT run at 7v, even if it is already spinning. I believe the one caseetc.com sells is 12v spec, so yeah, it's going to be a loud biatch. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-16-2002, 08:59 PM	#3
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	PS.. WTF is RTFM??? __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-16-2002, 10:29 PM	#8
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	hmm, all this vulgarity! --Matt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

04-16-2002, 10:39 PM	#9
MeltMan Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: KS Posts: 374	heh, i dont know about all of you, but I always end up reading the manual AFTER i set everything up. __________________ MeltMan Lurker Supreme!

04-16-2002, 09:23 PM	#4
schoolie Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 120	Read The Fine Manual (Hey isn't this the beginning of an Abbot and Costello routine

04-16-2002, 09:46 PM	#6
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	why you gotta lie like that? RTFM = READ THE F U C K I N G Manual sorry moderators, feel free to censor this i dunno if its OK S

04-16-2002, 10:26 PM	#7
schoolie Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 120	I swear, before the Internet went public, the 'F' stood for 'Fine'. A more genteel age

04-17-2002, 12:06 AM	#10
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	me too.... while Windows is installing.. RTFM? none of my watercooling things came w/ manuals.. hmmm __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-17-2002, 01:33 AM	#11
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	F U C K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

04-17-2002, 01:42 AM	#12
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	I only read those worthless pieces of paper if something goes wrong... __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

04-17-2002, 08:44 AM	#13
MeltMan Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: KS Posts: 374	Yeah, or if im trying to figure out how the hell to do some advanced option of some sooper dooper thingamajig. Manuals are for chicks Windows manual? C'mon ECU, noone ever reads a WINDOWS manual! I have a few, but just for product keys. __________________ MeltMan Lurker Supreme! Last edited by MeltMan; 04-17-2002 at 08:48 AM.

04-17-2002, 01:54 PM	#14
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	windows comes with an instruction manual? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

04-17-2002, 10:15 PM	#15
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	well when you purchase a product key, it's printed into a manual thingy, or at least thats the way it is with windows 98.

04-17-2002, 10:40 PM	#16
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	thats why i like to call them the destructions rather than instructions =) __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

04-18-2002, 04:19 PM	#18
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	I just came back from my friend's house. He cut my Du-bro tank in the center for water output. looks good so far. I am waiting for the goop to harden then i will apply another layer to ensure its sealed well. S

04-18-2002, 08:11 PM	#19
mx-6* Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 165	Dude if your water temp is 13C lower than your CPU temp at stock voltage with that large of a res, you should make sure that your block is on the processor. I've had heatsinks do better than that.

04-18-2002, 08:37 PM	#20
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	no thats at 1.80 volts. At stock speed and voltage its usually 9C above water temp without the fan on.

04-18-2002, 09:14 PM	#21
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	my tankie :) I got the pictures of my tank up. I was wondering how many hours it would take for the goop to harden cuz i want to apply another layer. pictures at www.nubia.org/pics/ pictures 16-22 are pictures of the tank S

04-29-2002, 11:00 AM	#22
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	btw- smaller res = lower temperature my du-bro is performing great. Its usually 7-8 C above ambient and 10C full load. I tried to drain my kit but i couldn blow all the water out of my radiator. So i just used the old wauta. its prolly all nasty now but oh wells. I'll try empty it next weekend by turning on the pump and leaving the output to my sink or something. I dunno i'll figure it out <edit> forgot to mention that i dumped my rotron. dont need that much noise. no fan works just fine <\edit> S

04-29-2002, 12:54 PM	#23
jag_e_fattig Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SoCal, formerly Sweden. Posts: 110	dude, that is probably the ghettoest (is that a word?) setup i have ever seen! __________________ Tearing it up AER - 05/29/87-10/26/03, I'll never forget.

04-29-2002, 01:45 PM	#24
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	BTW, I meant the mobo manual, not the windows manual, if it even exists. Besides, you'd probably have to BUY windows to get a printed manual (if it exists..). And really, who wants to put up w/ all that activation crap? __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

04-29-2002, 04:20 PM	#25
SonixOS Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 282	dont sweat it jag S

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