ModdersHQ does the DD Laing D4

[Jonas]

omg. this is the biggest waste of time ever...the guys retarded. let it be.

and can we keep the quote posts to less than 30 pages from now on? farking brutal. so hes an idiot, whats the point of arguing with an idiot...even if hes wrong he'd never admit/know it.

[pHaestus]

We are talking about an entire different set of retards now Jonas. Might as well keep it hidden in this thread where it doesn't end up yet another huge flame war right?

[Jonas]

LOL yeah i realized that. i skipped the middle page because my eyes started bleeding. carry on and disregard

[Jonas]

oh and after looking at the review WTH IS WRONG WITH THAT GUYS THUMB?!! thats really not normal.

[AngryAlpaca]

1/2" high pressure... Oxymoron?

pro cooliong should really be callled
topoorforphasechange.com

I totally agree! We can do everything he says we do! It'd be great satire!

What's this whole pug thing anyway? (Mr. Poo is a goddamned idiot)

OMFG I was reading through their forum for amusement and it just pisses me off so badly. First off, they're comparing Porsches to American sports cars. Is that even any sort of relevant comparison? Second, I just saw Nexxos say that water flows faster in low bore tubing. Do these people have no concept of the physics that they speak of (and profess to know well?) This is ****ing ridiculous.

[infinity9]

I believe you can propel water to a faster velocity in smaller tubing than larger, but overall its less total flow rate. Flow is more important than velocity correct?

[Cathar]

Remember what I said about forums having a "poisonous" stage.

[Etacovda]

Velocity in the right places is what counts, I think.

More flow = more pressure at the restriction which should equal faster velocity at the restriction?

or am i totally off base

[firtol88]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

goddammit I just noticed that that retard insulted my wife too. If I weren't so busy counting money obtained from selling 1/2" water cooling kits I'd start a flamewar

Count your fortune later, I'm willing to help make some limeaid flambe.

[AngryAlpaca]

I believe you can propel water to a faster velocity in smaller tubing than larger, but overall its less total flow rate. Flow is more important than velocity correct?

That's true, which is my point. Velocity is only useful in radiators and waterblocks, where it reduces the boundary layer, aiding cooling. No cooling is done in the tubing.

You're right, Etacovada.

Cathar, I think this has reached the WMD stage... It sort of makes you wonder... Are these people "well" educated? I should hope not...

Even they're "DD moneygrubbing cunt" theories are horribly flawed. If we wanted to make money, wouldn't we be at overpopulated chump forums? They also focus on the size of the tubing although that's not our issue at all.

What's the Pug issue?

I was going to start a fight there but I couldn't find any suitable threads that were short and didn't want to read through several pages of stupidity.

[Etacovda]

I just read through the whole thread;

They, like pug, are fixated on the 'small tubing diameter' which they instantly think means low flow... whilst they're using 700lph alphacool pumps with 1.6m head, 1048's and 1250's. No real point in posting and calling them hypocitical idiots; im sure the response would be pretty sad.

[Jonas]

seriously. not one noticed his freak thumb?

[infinity9]

No point hammering these guys. You will not change their minds. Unfortunately some people are happier thinking that they can just be different. Which ends up making them more conformist sheep than to just follow the regular ideas. Sheesh cant people just try thinking on their own once without someone telling them how to think. The crazy thing is that this is all based on proven physics yet they seem to deny it with simple statements. I really dont think there is anything you can do. Long ago people wanted to hang anyone that said the world was round. We haven't really come that far since then, just better toys.

[BalefireX]

I realize that many people have a negative view of Procooling - "elitist" is a term used by even those who don't particularly dislike the place. That is no reason to retreat into an ivory tower however, where we conduct our scientific experiements far from the view of the lowly public - instead we should be reaching out to them, and I think that a wiki with peer review is a good way of doing that - people know procooling has the information, now they just have to learn that they can get it in the prepackaged variety they enjoy so much.

I'm usually a big fan of BillA's "learn it yourself" methodology, but in view of the overwhelming ignorance in the community, some prepackaging may be required.

[pHaestus]

If understanding fluid dynamics and heat transfer is in itself viewed as a bad thing then what is the point?

[BillA]

and why care what others think ?
I do things because I wish to, not for the approbation of others
I have this recurring notion that accuracy is more important than approval

and you know what ?
it works (but you'd better be accurate)

[pHaestus]

no no I meant what is the point of prepackaging. I get great enjoyment from this current play/testing (my one annoyance is the noise levels). Did you find that lots of time in the presence of fans and equipment during testing made you hyper sensitive to noise when computing Bill? It is getting worse and worse. Thank goodness I have a nice notebook I use at work (and most of the time at home) that is very quiet.

[infinity9]

I'm having a major problem with this. We had to get LCD's and Rear Projections because the high pitch noises from transformers are getting to me. I'll be honest, one of the main reasons I got into watercooling was the idea that at low noise you could perform better than high noise on air. I'm getting so sensitive to high pitch noises. 60mm fans kill me, but not like crt tv's and monitors.

[Tempus]

It would be nice to have an interactive faq/database where we can pool and share our knowledge.

It'd be nice to have the thermodynamics, physics, chemistry, and other scientific principles explained in exactly how they relate to watercooling.

Maybe a few examples of proper ways to test things so that others can do testing that we would all find meaningful and useful.

The problem with googling for knowledge is that most of what I've seen is poor suppositions mixed in with some nice pictures and randoms nuggets of real info.

[pHaestus]

Here is my dilemma re a Wikipedia for water cooling:
What is really needed for "newcomers" is an entry level discussion on how to build a leak-free kit, how to avoid common mistakes in plumbing, how to optimize the parts you have. Example: I will wager that at minimum 20% of the radiators in water cooling loops at this moment have air trapped in them to the point that performance is compromised.

This sort of discussion is FAR removed from the technical discussions that we have had. Are we far enough along as a community to have the wb DIYers in the construction forum and the "ill educated morons" with the technical background get together and publish a site on how to optimize a design and then machine it? I don't think so; Bill's the smartest of all of us in this respect and I'll wager he has a big stack of MCW 6000 prototypes on his desk.

[BalefireX]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

What is really needed for "newcomers" is an entry level discussion on how to build a leak-free kit, how to avoid common mistakes in plumbing, how to optimize the parts you have. Example: I will wager that at minimum 20% of the radiators in water cooling loops at this moment have air trapped in them to the point that performance is compromised.

This is what I mean exactly.

I wasn't suggesting that it be a replacement for the forums - there is no way that it could move as quickly as is required for the technical discussions that make procooling the place it is. What I am suggesting is that the people who know what they are talking about write those articles - and the peer review/submission format is a way to make it a shared effort rather than a huge burden on one or two individuals.

A high school chemistry textbook is not written by high school students, it is written by real chemists; currently the entry level "texts" of watercooling are being written by the students, not the scientists.

[pHaestus]

It could potentially be a very good resource I agree and a lot more user friendly than the forums or the Linkage section. It's also 100% in keeping with Procooling's overall goals and history I think. Would it be better to have it formatted and controlled here (with Joe's code) or on the Wikipedia site and moderated by people from several places. I'll go on a limb and guess that Cathar will help some in either case. We'll need his prose

[BalefireX]

I'd keep the control internal - I liked someones earlier suggestion of peer reviews before posting, and I'm not sure how the wikipedia site works with that; i.e. having authorized peers. People like Cathar are vital to something like this working - not only if they want to write, but also just to look over stuff before it goes up and addressing any concerns. Perhaps we should branch off into a new thread to discuss what topics (beyond the ideas you stated earlier) should be covered?

[BillA]

a brief outline will focus the discussion a bit
I'm hearing noob guide, then wb design; the 2 are decidedly different

yes pH, the fans got old indeed, so I relocated everything with a fan into another room with a common wall; 3 3" holes for cables, tubing, etc. - and no more fans, compressors, pumps
my office is much cooler, the equipment room is at 95°F

now if I could make a silent computer . . . . .
hell, if I could make a computer that wouldn't break
crap, learn to type ??

[pHaestus]

OK I'll start a new thread in the main liquid cooling forum.