Mac on a PC

zachjowi · 05-30-2005, 09:59 PM

Is it possible to install any Mac OS onto a PC computer?

jaydee · 05-30-2005, 10:05 PM

Probably not. Different hardware requires different drivers.

maxSaleen · 05-30-2005, 10:13 PM

There is a program known as Virtual PC that allows Mac users to run a Windows OS. I'd imagine that the reverse is possible.

zachjowi · 05-30-2005, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxSaleen

There is a program known as Virtual PC that allows Mac users to run a Windows OS. I'd imagine that the reverse is possible.

I want to do a complete install of the Mac OS wiht no Windows OS

killernoodle · 05-30-2005, 10:25 PM

You'll be stuck with mac hardware then.

maxSaleen · 05-30-2005, 10:25 PM

Complete install of a Mac OS on an x86 based system (x86 is a set of hardware standards). That's what you want to do? I'll save you some time. Not possible. Nothing can help you with that. The hardware would need some sort of software level recoding in order to run such as the program I mentioned.

JSimmons · 05-31-2005, 04:34 AM

If Apple allowed you to run OS-X onto an Intel box, they would be essentially killing off sales of all of their hardware. They're not going to allow that.

Technologically, it's not impossible to do. In fact, it would be really easy since it's nothing more that a proprietary version of BSD. Consider though that OS-X is free of the burden of supporting literally millions of combinations of hardware that Windows supports.

otoc · 05-31-2005, 12:15 PM

http://wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,63456,00.html
The free, open-source software allows Intel- and AMD-based PCs to run several operating systems compatible with the PowerPC, including Mandrake Linux, BSD, Darwin and, most importantly, Apple's Mac OS X.

Users can download and install a copy of PearPC, and then install a boxed copy of OS X, which can be purchased from Apple for $130.

"Installation (of OS X) works beautifully but takes about four hours on a 1300 Athlon," said Weyergraf, referring to a PC with a 1.3GHz AMD Athlon chip. "I must admit 10.3 (OS X Panther) still has problems.... Some program crashes at startup and makes Panther restart it, over and over. We are working on this."

Biallas and Weyergraf warn PearPC is only a version 0.1 release and is still very experimental. By their admission, it is incomplete, unstable and painfully slow -- running about 500 times slower than the host system.

It is "not meant for productive use," the pair caution on the site. "Don't use it on important data, it WILL destroy them sooner or later!"

bigben2k · 05-31-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by zachjowi

I want to do a complete install of the Mac OS wiht no Windows OS

Wouldn't you be better off modding your Windows OS to look like OS X?

What's the goal here?

Have you considered running Linux instead?

JSimmons · 05-31-2005, 01:19 PM

Has he considered buying a Mac Mini instead?

Brians256 · 05-31-2005, 02:15 PM

I fear that we have lost our original poster.

Vector86 · 05-31-2005, 05:47 PM

there are windows programs that let you emulate a Mac os up to 9.x, maybe even X. I use one back in the day when I wanted to play Maelstrom and I didn't want to find a mac.

zoson · 05-31-2005, 05:50 PM

that's hilarious.

Breach · 05-31-2005, 06:59 PM

The easy way out of this is the way my friend did something like this. Basically he runs Gentoo linux, and he just got the OSX icon pack and a few other things that are all freely available online. Made it look and function just like OSX.

Generally you are paying for all of Apple's software (office suite etc), the interface is still mostly composed of things you can find online for free for Linux and BSD.

Otherwise you are looking at some hardcore emulation that needs to take place to get real OSX to work.

zachjowi · 05-31-2005, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Brewling

The easy way out of this is the way my friend did something like this. Basically he runs Gentoo linux, and he just got the OSX icon pack and a few other things that are all freely available online. Made it look and function just like OSX.

Generally you are paying for all of Apple's software (office suite etc), the interface is still mostly composed of things you can find online for free for Linux and BSD.

Otherwise you are looking at some hardcore emulation that needs to take place to get real OSX to work.

thanks everyone I will try to do what Der Brewling said when I get time.

KnightElite · 05-31-2005, 09:07 PM

I can think of several pieces of software that I have seen on a mac that are not available on PC. One of the best ones is a text editor called SubEthaEdit (It is much like notepad... with multiplayer). There is, quite simply, no other program that does what it can do. I'm planning on buying a PowerBook soon, and SubEthaEdit is one of the reasons.

Vector86 · 05-31-2005, 09:58 PM

why do you need multiplayer in a notepad? isn't that like online chatting?

KnightElite · 06-01-2005, 07:06 AM

No. It allows several people to edit the same document simultaneously, which is really awesome for programming. It also colours the text that each person has typed a different colour, and you can see each person's cursor, and where they are currently typing. A very slick program.

TerraMex · 06-01-2005, 11:41 AM

doulgas fans, them, eh?
program starts with a "don't panic", also ?

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Vector86 · 06-01-2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightElite

No. It allows several people to edit the same document simultaneously, which is really awesome for programming. It also colours the text that each person has typed a different colour, and you can see each person's cursor, and where they are currently typing. A very slick program.

Multiple people can code in the same doc at the same time, this sounds really cool, but there should be a pc equivalent as this doesn't seem to require anything a PC can't deliver.

KnightElite · 06-01-2005, 10:11 PM

Yeah, there should be one. But there isn't. Someone should really get on that. This particular app was created by some students, I think.

redleader · 06-01-2005, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnightElite

Yeah, there should be one. But there isn't. Someone should really get on that. This particular app was created by some students, I think.

I think Moonedit can do that, but I haven't tried.

KnightElite · 06-02-2005, 07:28 AM

Thanks for pointing out moonedit, that seems to be what it does. Last time I checked there was no equivalent program. Looks like this one hasn't progressed as far yet, but it's there. I'll have to check it out. I still think I'll get a powerbook though

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DrCR · 06-07-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zachjowi

Is it possible to install any Mac OS onto a PC computer?

Wait a year. As I assume you already know, Mac is moving to x86 (LMHO considering all the marketing they've made against Intel in the past lol)

DrCR

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MaxxxRacer · 06-07-2005, 05:01 PM

actually there is a program called pear that allows u to run OSX on a PC.. its been out for a few years now.

but the real question is WHY!! why would u ever put the slowest OS alive on any machine.. when OSX finally does show up on intel x86 hardware it will be funny. i mean OSX could prolly bring down a 8way dual core opteron system to its knees.

05-30-2005, 09:59 PM	#1
zachjowi Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2005 Location: US Posts: 123	Mac on a PC Is it possible to install any Mac OS onto a PC computer?

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JSimmons Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 4-sided room with an exit going east, and an exit going south Posts: 392	If Apple allowed you to run OS-X onto an Intel box, they would be essentially killing off sales of all of their hardware. They're not going to allow that. Technologically, it's not impossible to do. In fact, it would be really easy since it's nothing more that a proprietary version of BSD. Consider though that OS-X is free of the burden of supporting literally millions of combinations of hardware that Windows supports. __________________ My Watercooling Stuff

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otoc Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 44	runs like a sloth, too http://wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,63456,00.html The free, open-source software allows Intel- and AMD-based PCs to run several operating systems compatible with the PowerPC, including Mandrake Linux, BSD, Darwin and, most importantly, Apple's Mac OS X. Users can download and install a copy of PearPC, and then install a boxed copy of OS X, which can be purchased from Apple for $130. "Installation (of OS X) works beautifully but takes about four hours on a 1300 Athlon," said Weyergraf, referring to a PC with a 1.3GHz AMD Athlon chip. "I must admit 10.3 (OS X Panther) still has problems.... Some program crashes at startup and makes Panther restart it, over and over. We are working on this." Biallas and Weyergraf warn PearPC is only a version 0.1 release and is still very experimental. By their admission, it is incomplete, unstable and painfully slow -- running about 500 times slower than the host system. It is "not meant for productive use," the pair caution on the site. "Don't use it on important data, it WILL destroy them sooner or later!"

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Breach Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 93	The easy way out of this is the way my friend did something like this. Basically he runs Gentoo linux, and he just got the OSX icon pack and a few other things that are all freely available online. Made it look and function just like OSX. Generally you are paying for all of Apple's software (office suite etc), the interface is still mostly composed of things you can find online for free for Linux and BSD. Otherwise you are looking at some hardcore emulation that needs to take place to get real OSX to work.

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KnightElite Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 294	I can think of several pieces of software that I have seen on a mac that are not available on PC. One of the best ones is a text editor called SubEthaEdit (It is much like notepad... with multiplayer). There is, quite simply, no other program that does what it can do. I'm planning on buying a PowerBook soon, and SubEthaEdit is one of the reasons. __________________ Can anyone else here say that they have a watercooled monster that's 45" tall?

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Vector86 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KANSAS "it's not just cows"! Posts: 211	why do you need multiplayer in a notepad? isn't that like online chatting?

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KnightElite Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 294	No. It allows several people to edit the same document simultaneously, which is really awesome for programming. It also colours the text that each person has typed a different colour, and you can see each person's cursor, and where they are currently typing. A very slick program. __________________ Can anyone else here say that they have a watercooled monster that's 45" tall?

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TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	doulgas fans, them, eh? program starts with a "don't panic", also ? . __________________ "we need more cowbell."

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KnightElite Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 294	Yeah, there should be one. But there isn't. Someone should really get on that. This particular app was created by some students, I think. __________________ Can anyone else here say that they have a watercooled monster that's 45" tall?

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KnightElite Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 294	Thanks for pointing out moonedit, that seems to be what it does. Last time I checked there was no equivalent program. Looks like this one hasn't progressed as far yet, but it's there. I'll have to check it out. I still think I'll get a powerbook though . __________________ Can anyone else here say that they have a watercooled monster that's 45" tall?

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MaxxxRacer Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 310	actually there is a program called pear that allows u to run OSX on a PC.. its been out for a few years now. but the real question is WHY!! why would u ever put the slowest OS alive on any machine.. when OSX finally does show up on intel x86 hardware it will be funny. i mean OSX could prolly bring down a 8way dual core opteron system to its knees. __________________ Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler.

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