Bikr's Clutch died, need help!@@#$

bikr · 12-30-2002, 09:37 PM

Hey , if anyone has ever replaced their own clutch before , drop me a line and tell me how to do it .. And if you haven't , then send me some money via paypal please , paypal@bikr.net , i'm a broke ass mofo and gotta get this fixed asap.. --bikr

mfpmax · 12-30-2002, 09:53 PM

What vehicle is it.

bikr · 12-30-2002, 09:55 PM

99 s10 xtreme 4cyl 2.2

mfpmax · 12-30-2002, 11:02 PM

oh god

don't bother...sell it...PLEASE!!!

I have a friend with a Sonoma with the same engine.

http://www.s-series.org

Should be able to help you. Goto their Mesasge Board section or whatever they call it. Search or Register.

But I will throw in some common knowledge.

I believe your truck has a hydrulic clutch...so that needs to be taken care of(don't know how)...you'll need to drop the transmission and remove the clutch, get the clutch plate resurfaced.

But thats general...not specific...the website posted should help that.

Damn...I should've paid attention to my friend cause last time I spoke to him about his truck he just got down replacing his clutch.

But seriously...please sell it

At least get the 4.3 V6

airspirit · 12-31-2002, 11:07 AM

Better yet, if you want a "real" pickup, get a Ranger. They cost a bit more, but last twice as long. I feel sorry for anyone who even CONSIDERS buying a S10.

bikr · 12-31-2002, 12:06 PM

airspirit , it's a 99 s10 xtreme , I think it's a bit more than a ranger thanks.. and they are the ugliest trucks on the road , ugh.. ridiculous inside and out.. and i'm pretty much sick of your comments. half of your posts are just talking shit.. People just don't realize cuz the other half is some good info --bikr

airspirit · 12-31-2002, 01:24 PM

???

Did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Jeez ... while I am undoubtedly one of the more sarcastic and cynical people you'll run across and I have no problem sharing that aspect of myself, I actually was being serious there.

For a long time, Chevrolet has been selling their trucks on the "comfort" aspect, rather than the "performance" aspect. More development, especially in their compact pickups, has gone into the interior and extenal styling than into the mechanical soundness of the vehicle. Coming from someone with a stack of experience in the automotive field (I have done way too many things in way too little time ... part of my work involves consulting with a dealership, and I once SOLD both Fords and Chevrolets), I have seen more problems come from the S-10 than any other pickup on the road. This isn't just one or two model years, but across the spectrum. What people find is that they can buy an S-10 for as much as $3K less than a Ranger (or a Dakota, which still has some questionable issues, especially in the transmission, though is generally of much higher craftsmanship than an S-10), and get a nice looking/driving vehicle, until it starts breaking down. What they also find is that once they start breaking down, they never stop. This is something I see on a daily basis, and it disgusts me that Chevy/GM isn't doing anything about it.

That said, I have also seen the successes that people have had with Rangers, by comparison. While the interior is much blander (except on some of the newest models, and even then it is just a minor improvement), the interior features last longer (nothing is worse than worn internals in a Chevy ... the plastics they use are too malleable and wear like crap). There are also comfort disadvantages to the Chevy in terms of how they sit (Chevy goes for plush, Ford goes for firm, and Dodge is schizo on the issue). However, when you compare reliability and functionality between the two, the S-10 comes out on the bottom of the stack in every category.

While I was being slightly sarcastic above, I was also being half serious. It may not be a bad idea to consider trading the thing away while you have a chance. S-10s lose their value faster than any other pickup on the road. I have personally only sold one of them, and after watching what that and other customers were going through, I just wouldn't sell them anymore.

Does that put my comment in better perspective for you? Of course, you can always repair the thing, but I'm telling you straight up: S-10s are a money pit in terms of repair costs. Once your warranty from the factory runs out, you are screwed. Maybe you'll get lucky, but statistically, you're going to start having some serious issues within the next 1-2 years.

bikr · 12-31-2002, 01:48 PM

Your 3 paragraph explination doesn't impress me at all. It's not exaclty feasible for most people to just run out and get a new truck and you know that so I'm sure that you were somewhat trying to be an ass.

If I can't afford to even have the damn clutch fixed how in the world am I supposed to trade in my truck which , Hmm. it's 99 so yes I'm still paying for it. So i'm more than likely upsidedown.. All I'm saying is , don't be an ass.. And then try to pretend like you were being serious.

Literally half of your post whoring is all garbage.. Luckily you do let a bit of knowledge emerge from your endless supply of bullshit and that is why you seem tolerable.

--bikr

airspirit · 12-31-2002, 01:56 PM

I don't mean to harp on the subject, but I'd like to clarify further: as someone who lives in a relatively nasty climate, I bought a Ranger a couple of years ago secondhand that was used as a farm support rig. It has 130K/miles on it and hasn't had one mechanical breakdown its entire life (which I can confirm since it was LOF'd and maintained exclusively at the dealer I'm affiliated with). Now, this '94 is finally due for a clutch swap (which is in progress now) and here is what was found: the pilot bearing ($5 part) is wearing, though would last another 20K/mi, the clutch is at 30%, and the slave cylinder (internally mounted) has developed a slight leak that for the last 4 months has required addition of an entire 6cc of DOT 3. While no repairs are necessary for the next year, I'm swapping out the clutch, slave cyl (just to be prudent), and bearing for a grand total of $500.

Note that this vehicle has also been in a wreck (3 weeks after I bought it, dammit), where I was rear-ended by a 2001 Chevy Blazer at around 25 MPH. While I cracked out a taillight and my bumper was impacted, all I needed was some tape and a sledgehammer (for some 64 bit repairs) and the truck functions as good as ever (though the bumper isn't in the best shape ... there is still an impact scar in the rear starboard corner). The Blazer, however, suffered frame damage; the port fender, hood, bumper, and front fascia were destroyed; the engine was impacted and destroyed; and even one of the rims was smashed OOR. The vehicle was totalled, and the b!tch that hit me didn't have insurance to repair my rig, so while I got mine up and running for $10 in colored tape, hers was a complete loss. If I was running an S-10, I wouldn't have been able to drive away from that wreck. No frame damage or mechanical damage was taken by my rig in that accident, and that is a testimony to what Ford actually puts their development money into: mechanical soundness, rather than looks.

Food for thought. If I had the money handy, I'd help you out since I hate to see one of the guys in a bind like this (I know what its like to have your car blow up on you ... I owned a Chevy car once), but since I'm tapped for the season, I can't. So: good luck.

airspirit · 12-31-2002, 02:04 PM

Actually, a '99 S-10 shouldn't put you off too bad unless you were upside-down on the trade to buy it, financed for 6-7 years (which should be outlawed on any loan less than $40K, IMHO), or you bought it within the last 18 months. Even then, you may still have a number of options which would leave you well off. I watch people with less than 12 months invested in a rig buy new ones all the time. If you could give me some information about your situation, I may be able to shed some light on some possibilities for you. Similarly, with the manufacturers flailing their collective d!cks around to get sales, rebates and financing options make buying a new car much easier than normal, and even the lenders are taking it in the @ss to get business, approving people they normally would not.

If you want me to do some research (I'm at the F&I desk now), I'd be more than happy to see if you have any options. If you just want to sit there and call me a d!ck, well, more power to you. At least I offered help.

And your post whoring comment is extremely repulsive to me. Honestly, post counts don't mean anything, except for those that don't have one and obviously don't have a clue, which allows us to recognize them as someone who especially needs help. I stopped paying attention to my post count when I hit 50.

OskarDS9 · 12-31-2002, 02:18 PM

ummm.. Bikr asks for donations at the top, then calls someone an ass and a post whoring bs'er. That kind of community love sure makes you feel generous, huh? .... or the lack there of anyway

bikr · 12-31-2002, 02:19 PM

OskarDS9
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Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Utah
Posts: 1

Nuff said......

bikr · 12-31-2002, 02:26 PM

airspirit: Well it was a really odd situation , I bought the truck used , in 2000 with 23k miles. for 12,500 I put 4grand down , but for some reason I still owe about 8grand. I tried to see about getting a new car. They said I'm upside down a bit and would need some money for a d/p just to even get considered , plus the only thing on my credit is my car and they are going to make me have a co-signer.. --bikr

airspirit · 12-31-2002, 02:40 PM

I'm going to assume you're relatively young then, if that is the case (I'm going to assume 25). I'm also going to assume you purchased the vehicle at a GM dealer and financed through GMAC, and that you financed for 5 years (common because you wanted a lower payment). Believe it or not, you're not in that bad of shape if you've not missed any payments. Financing works like this:

Tier 1: Real estate, capital loans
Tier 2: Auto, minor capital loans
Tier 3: Appliance or other unsecured loans
Tier 4: Credit cards
Tier 5: Watercooling equipment from Danger Den (rarely on bureaus)

If you've never borked your payment with your current financier, you shouldn't be in that bad of shape credit-wise unless you're not telling the whole story (of which I am not accusing at all ... though I will have to tell you that late payments past 30 days are big black marks on your credit).

Further, since you had NO major credit on your bureau when you purchased that truck, you probably were put in a Level 3-4 credit level (toward the bottom) because it is considered high risk. GM typically charges upwards of 18.99% (thinking back to 2000) on a late model vehicle in those tiers, so naturally, you wouldn't be paying the capital of the loan yet: you're still paying interest. Plus, after licensing and tax were included, especially if you bought any warranty contracts, you may have added another $15-3000 to the mix. $8000 isn't all that horrible. Granted, you may be a bit upside-down, but depending on the model of your pickup and its condition (and miles!), you may not be THAT upside-down.

Now, with that said, I don't know exactly what type of truck you have. If you can list features (regular cab or extended, long/short bed, stepside? Air conditioning (huge)?), I can bounce it against the auction reports and get an idea of the reality of your "humptiness" (upside-downness) and see if there are any options available (there is a very good chance there will be).

OskarDS9 · 12-31-2002, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bikr
OskarDS9
Pro/Stank

Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Utah
Posts: 1

Nuff said......

If you think so....

bikr · 12-31-2002, 03:01 PM

ohh 2 posts.. you're on the up and up my friend..

Joe · 12-31-2002, 03:17 PM

**** this...

I am closing the thread since it seems you cant keep it mature.

12-30-2002, 09:37 PM	#1
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	Bikr's Clutch died, need help!@@#$ Hey , if anyone has ever replaced their own clutch before , drop me a line and tell me how to do it .. And if you haven't , then send me some money via paypal please , paypal@bikr.net , i'm a broke ass mofo and gotta get this fixed asap.. --bikr __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

12-30-2002, 09:53 PM	#2
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	What vehicle is it. __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

12-30-2002, 09:55 PM	#3
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	99 s10 xtreme 4cyl 2.2 __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

12-30-2002, 11:02 PM	#4
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	oh god don't bother...sell it...PLEASE!!! I have a friend with a Sonoma with the same engine. http://www.s-series.org Should be able to help you. Goto their Mesasge Board section or whatever they call it. Search or Register. But I will throw in some common knowledge. I believe your truck has a hydrulic clutch...so that needs to be taken care of(don't know how)...you'll need to drop the transmission and remove the clutch, get the clutch plate resurfaced. But thats general...not specific...the website posted should help that. Damn...I should've paid attention to my friend cause last time I spoke to him about his truck he just got down replacing his clutch. But seriously...please sell it At least get the 4.3 V6 __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

12-31-2002, 11:07 AM	#5
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Better yet, if you want a "real" pickup, get a Ranger. They cost a bit more, but last twice as long. I feel sorry for anyone who even CONSIDERS buying a S10. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-31-2002, 12:06 PM	#6
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	airspirit , it's a 99 s10 xtreme , I think it's a bit more than a ranger thanks.. and they are the ugliest trucks on the road , ugh.. ridiculous inside and out.. and i'm pretty much sick of your comments. half of your posts are just talking shit.. People just don't realize cuz the other half is some good info --bikr __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

12-31-2002, 01:24 PM	#7
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	??? Did somebody wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Jeez ... while I am undoubtedly one of the more sarcastic and cynical people you'll run across and I have no problem sharing that aspect of myself, I actually was being serious there. For a long time, Chevrolet has been selling their trucks on the "comfort" aspect, rather than the "performance" aspect. More development, especially in their compact pickups, has gone into the interior and extenal styling than into the mechanical soundness of the vehicle. Coming from someone with a stack of experience in the automotive field (I have done way too many things in way too little time ... part of my work involves consulting with a dealership, and I once SOLD both Fords and Chevrolets), I have seen more problems come from the S-10 than any other pickup on the road. This isn't just one or two model years, but across the spectrum. What people find is that they can buy an S-10 for as much as $3K less than a Ranger (or a Dakota, which still has some questionable issues, especially in the transmission, though is generally of much higher craftsmanship than an S-10), and get a nice looking/driving vehicle, until it starts breaking down. What they also find is that once they start breaking down, they never stop. This is something I see on a daily basis, and it disgusts me that Chevy/GM isn't doing anything about it. That said, I have also seen the successes that people have had with Rangers, by comparison. While the interior is much blander (except on some of the newest models, and even then it is just a minor improvement), the interior features last longer (nothing is worse than worn internals in a Chevy ... the plastics they use are too malleable and wear like crap). There are also comfort disadvantages to the Chevy in terms of how they sit (Chevy goes for plush, Ford goes for firm, and Dodge is schizo on the issue). However, when you compare reliability and functionality between the two, the S-10 comes out on the bottom of the stack in every category. While I was being slightly sarcastic above, I was also being half serious. It may not be a bad idea to consider trading the thing away while you have a chance. S-10s lose their value faster than any other pickup on the road. I have personally only sold one of them, and after watching what that and other customers were going through, I just wouldn't sell them anymore. Does that put my comment in better perspective for you? Of course, you can always repair the thing, but I'm telling you straight up: S-10s are a money pit in terms of repair costs. Once your warranty from the factory runs out, you are screwed. Maybe you'll get lucky, but statistically, you're going to start having some serious issues within the next 1-2 years. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-31-2002, 01:48 PM	#8
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	Your 3 paragraph explination doesn't impress me at all. It's not exaclty feasible for most people to just run out and get a new truck and you know that so I'm sure that you were somewhat trying to be an ass. If I can't afford to even have the damn clutch fixed how in the world am I supposed to trade in my truck which , Hmm. it's 99 so yes I'm still paying for it. So i'm more than likely upsidedown.. All I'm saying is , don't be an ass.. And then try to pretend like you were being serious. Literally half of your post whoring is all garbage.. Luckily you do let a bit of knowledge emerge from your endless supply of bullshit and that is why you seem tolerable. --bikr __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

12-31-2002, 01:56 PM	#9
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I don't mean to harp on the subject, but I'd like to clarify further: as someone who lives in a relatively nasty climate, I bought a Ranger a couple of years ago secondhand that was used as a farm support rig. It has 130K/miles on it and hasn't had one mechanical breakdown its entire life (which I can confirm since it was LOF'd and maintained exclusively at the dealer I'm affiliated with). Now, this '94 is finally due for a clutch swap (which is in progress now) and here is what was found: the pilot bearing ($5 part) is wearing, though would last another 20K/mi, the clutch is at 30%, and the slave cylinder (internally mounted) has developed a slight leak that for the last 4 months has required addition of an entire 6cc of DOT 3. While no repairs are necessary for the next year, I'm swapping out the clutch, slave cyl (just to be prudent), and bearing for a grand total of $500. Note that this vehicle has also been in a wreck (3 weeks after I bought it, dammit), where I was rear-ended by a 2001 Chevy Blazer at around 25 MPH. While I cracked out a taillight and my bumper was impacted, all I needed was some tape and a sledgehammer (for some 64 bit repairs) and the truck functions as good as ever (though the bumper isn't in the best shape ... there is still an impact scar in the rear starboard corner). The Blazer, however, suffered frame damage; the port fender, hood, bumper, and front fascia were destroyed; the engine was impacted and destroyed; and even one of the rims was smashed OOR. The vehicle was totalled, and the b!tch that hit me didn't have insurance to repair my rig, so while I got mine up and running for $10 in colored tape, hers was a complete loss. If I was running an S-10, I wouldn't have been able to drive away from that wreck. No frame damage or mechanical damage was taken by my rig in that accident, and that is a testimony to what Ford actually puts their development money into: mechanical soundness, rather than looks. Food for thought. If I had the money handy, I'd help you out since I hate to see one of the guys in a bind like this (I know what its like to have your car blow up on you ... I owned a Chevy car once), but since I'm tapped for the season, I can't. So: good luck. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-31-2002, 02:04 PM	#10
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Actually, a '99 S-10 shouldn't put you off too bad unless you were upside-down on the trade to buy it, financed for 6-7 years (which should be outlawed on any loan less than $40K, IMHO), or you bought it within the last 18 months. Even then, you may still have a number of options which would leave you well off. I watch people with less than 12 months invested in a rig buy new ones all the time. If you could give me some information about your situation, I may be able to shed some light on some possibilities for you. Similarly, with the manufacturers flailing their collective d!cks around to get sales, rebates and financing options make buying a new car much easier than normal, and even the lenders are taking it in the @ss to get business, approving people they normally would not. If you want me to do some research (I'm at the F&I desk now), I'd be more than happy to see if you have any options. If you just want to sit there and call me a d!ck, well, more power to you. At least I offered help. And your post whoring comment is extremely repulsive to me. Honestly, post counts don't mean anything, except for those that don't have one and obviously don't have a clue, which allows us to recognize them as someone who especially needs help. I stopped paying attention to my post count when I hit 50. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-31-2002, 02:18 PM	#11
OskarDS9 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 2	ummm.. Bikr asks for donations at the top, then calls someone an ass and a post whoring bs'er. That kind of community love sure makes you feel generous, huh? .... or the lack there of anyway

12-31-2002, 02:19 PM	#12
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	OskarDS9 Pro/Stank Registered: Oct 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 1 Nuff said...... __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

12-31-2002, 02:26 PM	#13
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	airspirit: Well it was a really odd situation , I bought the truck used , in 2000 with 23k miles. for 12,500 I put 4grand down , but for some reason I still owe about 8grand. I tried to see about getting a new car. They said I'm upside down a bit and would need some money for a d/p just to even get considered , plus the only thing on my credit is my car and they are going to make me have a co-signer.. --bikr __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

12-31-2002, 02:40 PM	#14
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I'm going to assume you're relatively young then, if that is the case (I'm going to assume 25). I'm also going to assume you purchased the vehicle at a GM dealer and financed through GMAC, and that you financed for 5 years (common because you wanted a lower payment). Believe it or not, you're not in that bad of shape if you've not missed any payments. Financing works like this: Tier 1: Real estate, capital loans Tier 2: Auto, minor capital loans Tier 3: Appliance or other unsecured loans Tier 4: Credit cards Tier 5: Watercooling equipment from Danger Den (rarely on bureaus) If you've never borked your payment with your current financier, you shouldn't be in that bad of shape credit-wise unless you're not telling the whole story (of which I am not accusing at all ... though I will have to tell you that late payments past 30 days are big black marks on your credit). Further, since you had NO major credit on your bureau when you purchased that truck, you probably were put in a Level 3-4 credit level (toward the bottom) because it is considered high risk. GM typically charges upwards of 18.99% (thinking back to 2000) on a late model vehicle in those tiers, so naturally, you wouldn't be paying the capital of the loan yet: you're still paying interest. Plus, after licensing and tax were included, especially if you bought any warranty contracts, you may have added another $15-3000 to the mix. $8000 isn't all that horrible. Granted, you may be a bit upside-down, but depending on the model of your pickup and its condition (and miles!), you may not be THAT upside-down. Now, with that said, I don't know exactly what type of truck you have. If you can list features (regular cab or extended, long/short bed, stepside? Air conditioning (huge)?), I can bounce it against the auction reports and get an idea of the reality of your "humptiness" (upside-downness) and see if there are any options available (there is a very good chance there will be). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-31-2002, 03:01 PM	#16
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	ohh 2 posts.. you're on the up and up my friend.. __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

12-31-2002, 03:17 PM	#17
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	** this... I am closing the thread since it seems you cant keep it mature. __________________ Joe** - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

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