Newbie at wc, please help, temps too high!?

infernator · 03-12-2003, 04:18 AM

Hello,

I am noob at watercooling so I have few questions here for all those l33t ones :-)

I have build this [wc] rig in an big tower chieftech case:

- dangerden maze 3 1/2" fittings (full copper)
- honda civic heatercore 5/8" fittings
- tygon tubing
- self made res from curver box, 2.5L
- sicce nova idra 1300l/h

CPu is 1.8 P4 and the mobo is an Epox 4G4N+.

I did artic silver between the cpu and block and the block is properly mounted, the mobo even bends a bit under the high pressure.

The pump is located into the reservoir and the the construction of flow is like this pump>rad>block>reservoir.

Two Papst 120mm 81cfm are sucking air out of the rad who is on top of the case.

For the rest, no other airflow or fans into the case.

My temps are 33Â°C stressed and 41Â°C idle at standard speeds and voltage.

No air is into the system anymore, because I don't see air bubbles into the system passing.

Can you help me please with some advice, I am desperate to improve these temps as I think they are way to high.

gmat · 03-12-2003, 05:31 AM

First these are good temps (i suppose you swapped the 'stressed' and 'idle'

). I know lots of ppl who run at more than 50Â°C with such setups. (whatever those temps mean)
Your setup seems good. No worry.
Just a few points where you can improve things:
- try to run the pump inline as it heats the water it's in
- try to put an airtrap / fill tube above the level of your rad. Bubbles may be trapped in your rad (you won't see them pass through, since they are trapped...)

Basically that's it. 33Â°C with straight watercooling ain't bad at all.
Have fun !

infernator · 03-12-2003, 05:54 AM

hello, thanks for tips, I first placed the system inline, but I could not get the air out of the system then

I tried several times, added a T-line piece to the setup that way also.

I filled it by letting the pump suck water into a bucked like discribed on www.dangerden.com, but when I tried to close the pump and the fitting, there was always air into the system.

You have a tip on how I can avoid, resolve this.

Fill line or airtrap, is that the same?

And if yes, my rad is at the highest point of the system, where should I connect this then?

Thanks for help already est bien Ã* vous :-)

gmat · 03-12-2003, 06:53 AM

T-Line and fill line is the same thing.
An airtrap is a bit bigger. The best way to build an airtrap IMHO, is using a PVC pipe (40x40mm will do), two PVC end caps, and two barbs. Put the inlet barb high, and the outlet barb low, so you don't recirculate bubbles. This is the best (considering efficiency / size ratio) way to get rid of bubbles. And it's a good idea to have one when running inline. (and it will cost you about 5â‚¬, including the glue)

Ah about where: connect the outlet of the airtrap (low point) to the inlet of your rad. That way the inlet of the airtrap will be higher, and you'll be able to fill your system by opening the top end cap.

(edit) search on this forum, threads started by Turbokeu. He's a fellow Belgian. Look at his site (cant remember the URL) as well. He's made a nice airtrap (with a tee, not my preferred way, but he did a wonderful job)

(edit2) look here:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...=&threadid=514
and there:
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...=&threadid=455

ambient · 03-12-2003, 11:35 AM

you also may get better results pushing air into the rad vs. sucking the hot air from inside the case.

03-12-2003, 04:18 AM	#1
infernator Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 2	Newbie at wc, please help, temps too high!? Hello, I am noob at watercooling so I have few questions here for all those l33t ones :-) I have build this [wc] rig in an big tower chieftech case: - dangerden maze 3 1/2" fittings (full copper) - honda civic heatercore 5/8" fittings - tygon tubing - self made res from curver box, 2.5L - sicce nova idra 1300l/h CPu is 1.8 P4 and the mobo is an Epox 4G4N+. I did artic silver between the cpu and block and the block is properly mounted, the mobo even bends a bit under the high pressure. The pump is located into the reservoir and the the construction of flow is like this pump>rad>block>reservoir. Two Papst 120mm 81cfm are sucking air out of the rad who is on top of the case. For the rest, no other airflow or fans into the case. My temps are 33Â°C stressed and 41Â°C idle at standard speeds and voltage. No air is into the system anymore, because I don't see air bubbles into the system passing. Can you help me please with some advice, I am desperate to improve these temps as I think they are way to high.

03-12-2003, 06:53 AM	#4
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	T-Line and fill line is the same thing. An airtrap is a bit bigger. The best way to build an airtrap IMHO, is using a PVC pipe (40x40mm will do), two PVC end caps, and two barbs. Put the inlet barb high, and the outlet barb low, so you don't recirculate bubbles. This is the best (considering efficiency / size ratio) way to get rid of bubbles. And it's a good idea to have one when running inline. (and it will cost you about 5â‚¬, including the glue) Ah about where: connect the outlet of the airtrap (low point) to the inlet of your rad. That way the inlet of the airtrap will be higher, and you'll be able to fill your system by opening the top end cap. (edit) search on this forum, threads started by Turbokeu. He's a fellow Belgian. Look at his site (cant remember the URL) as well. He's made a nice airtrap (with a tee, not my preferred way, but he did a wonderful job) (edit2) look here: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...=&threadid=514 and there: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...=&threadid=455 Last edited by gmat; 03-12-2003 at 07:00 AM.

03-12-2003, 11:35 AM	#5
ambient Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 312	you also may get better results pushing air into the rad vs. sucking the hot air from inside the case. __________________ water cooled 1.4 tbird @ 1580 143x11 vcore 1.88 vio 3.55

03-12-2003, 05:31 AM	#2
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	First these are good temps (i suppose you swapped the 'stressed' and 'idle' ). I know lots of ppl who run at more than 50Â°C with such setups. (whatever those temps mean) Your setup seems good. No worry. Just a few points where you can improve things: - try to run the pump inline as it heats the water it's in - try to put an airtrap / fill tube above the level of your rad. Bubbles may be trapped in your rad (you won't see them pass through, since they are trapped...) Basically that's it. 33Â°C with straight watercooling ain't bad at all. Have fun !

03-12-2003, 05:54 AM	#3
infernator Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 2	hello, thanks for tips, I first placed the system inline, but I could not get the air out of the system then I tried several times, added a T-line piece to the setup that way also. I filled it by letting the pump suck water into a bucked like discribed on www.dangerden.com, but when I tried to close the pump and the fitting, there was always air into the system. You have a tip on how I can avoid, resolve this. Fill line or airtrap, is that the same? And if yes, my rad is at the highest point of the system, where should I connect this then? Thanks for help already est bien Ã* vous :-)

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