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leejsmith · 09-23-2003, 05:22 AM

The more i look into this the dual xeon is not that good unless you have software that is tweaked for smp.

on standard gaming and everyday use the ddr333 and cpu's 533fsb is left behind by a single p4 of the same speed but with 800fsb and ddr400.

Plus the asus pc-dl as it stands has very limited overclocking just fsb no core voltage adjustment or pci lock.

anandtech review of the pc-dl delux

damn i got a real bargin with the xeon cpu's but it's not worth spending over £500 to get a system working that wont give me that much over my p4 @3287.

I would be better off getting a fx5900 or ati 9800 pro (the 9800 sounds better at the moment with the dx9 problems of the fx cards)

It would make a nice folder though

anyone intersted in a couple of 2.6ghz xeons ?

satanicoo · 09-23-2003, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by leejsmith
anyone intersted in a couple of 2.6ghz xeons ?

How much in euros?

Do you ship to portugal? :shrug:

leejsmith · 09-23-2003, 11:18 AM

£170 would be 245 euro accourding to www.xe.com

I dont know how much shipping would be but i would guess no more than 15 euro

if you want them and can pay with paypal i will ship them to you

it looks likes i have a buyer for them but i will let you know if not

FallOutBoyTonto · 09-23-2003, 11:37 AM

If I had an unlimited budget I'd get the following:

http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/index.htm

That is one hell of a PC!

Here is a glance at the specs:

- Intel P4 Extreme Edition @ 3.8 GHz with 950 FSB
- 180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling
- Up to 4 GB of Dual-Channel DDR RAM @ 533 MHz
- O/Ced ATi Radeon 9800 Pro with High-Definition Component Video Output
- 1 TERABYTE of storage (Optional RAM Drives)
- Up to 74 full-length 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots

- 92" LCD Displays with resolutions of 6400x1200 pixels

leejsmith · 09-23-2003, 11:43 AM

now that is impressive stuff me likes

leejsmith · 09-23-2003, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by satanicoo
How much in euros?

Do you ship to portugal? :shrug:

thank you for your interest satanicoo but the xeon cpu's have now been sold.

Lee

iggiebee · 09-23-2003, 12:44 PM

Do not understand why limit yourself on two CPUs, when you can very well go for 4, 6, 8, or even 24. Best of all will meet your requirements of power, and every day useability.

airspirit · 09-23-2003, 01:04 PM

They just announced that they will be making dual opteron NForce3 boards. Combine one of those with four 1GB DDR400 LL sticks, two opteron 248/250 chips, a 9800XT, and a couple of prometias (did I mention the custom case for it?) and you could have a raging system ... especially since BIOS versions for the NForce3 platform are starting to leak that allow you to change the multiplier and it appears that FX and Opteron chips may all be unlocked ....

By the way, the fastest desktop in the world right now (26300 3dmarks01) is a NForce3/FX51/9800 Pro system with dual prometias (cpu/gpu).

leejsmith · 09-23-2003, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
They just announced that they will be making dual opteron NForce3 boards. Combine one of those with four 1GB DDR400 LL sticks, two opteron 248/250 chips, a 9800XT, and a couple of prometias (did I mention the custom case for it?) and you could have a raging system ... especially since BIOS versions for the NForce3 platform are starting to leak that allow you to change the multiplier and it appears that FX and Opteron chips may all be unlocked ....

By the way, the fastest desktop in the world right now (26300 3dmarks01) is a NForce3/FX51/9800 Pro system with dual prometias (cpu/gpu).

any links / info on the nforce3/fx51/9800 system

airspirit · 09-23-2003, 02:54 PM

Go to AMDMB.com and look through the top news items ... they have links to the thread and pictures. It is sick. It will be news from Sunday.

leejsmith · 09-29-2003, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FallOutBoyTonto
If I had an unlimited budget I'd get the following:

http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/index.htm

That is one hell of a PC! Here is a glance at the specs:

- Intel P4 Extreme Edition @ 3.8 GHz with 950 FSB
- 180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling
- Up to 4 GB of Dual-Channel DDR RAM @ 533 MHz
- O/Ced ATi Radeon 9800 Pro with High-Definition Component Video Output
- 1 TERABYTE of storage (Optional RAM Drives)
- Up to 74 full-length 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots

- 92" LCD Displays with resolutions of 6400x1200 pixels

From this link

http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2003/09/25.html

is appears that the campany who makes those very nice screens do not exist :shrug:

FallOutBoyTonto · 09-29-2003, 03:45 PM

It ain't real.

At least according to that site, the products do exist. Just from different companies.

olv · 10-02-2003, 03:22 PM

Its a P4 with a vapochill overclocked and some fancy add ons all for a ridiculously high price. nothing that youu couldn't do yourself

DigitalPirate · 10-20-2003, 01:01 PM

I am jumping into this forum rather late, but at this time, if you want to experiment with OC'ing and SMP together, go with the AMDs. The Xeons have not proven themselves to be very OC'able. True, they are really stable, but you could also say that about any processor running at clock speed, including the AMD Athlons. My experience OC'ing the Xeons has been miserable. Before I get flamed, I own a Xeon DP system. It's the one I'm using to type this. I use it mainly for surfing, gaming(very few games out there support SMP), and the occasional bit of audio editing. The only thing it outperforms a convential single CPU platform with is the audio editing, because I bought a program with SMP support. In short, I say that Xeons are really only for those running SMP capable apps. The majority of my CPU cycles are used for folding.

airspirit · 10-20-2003, 01:31 PM

If it is folding, then run a dually opteron and put an instance of folding on each proc. That should do you ...

leejsmith · 10-20-2003, 01:42 PM

i accepted an offer on my flat today. it's a little lower than i wanted but i the best thing is i dont have to move. i can rent the flat initialy for 6 months at a reduced rate which is about the same as i pay now and will get to pocket £40,000.
in 6 moths i will be looking for a place with my girlfirend so will have plenty for a deposit.

anyway this means i could build my dream pc very soon but i dont think i am going to it's just not the best time to upgrade. I might upgrade my vid car from a gf4 ti4200 to a 9600 pro possibley a 9800 pro but thats about it. At least i will be ready for dx9 games

i am planning on building a external rad box with a bigger pump than my 1048 and also water cooling the new vid card. perhaps even getting a maze 4 gpu with tec option.

when i eventualy move i am thinking of getting a barebones case or something that looks more like hifi than pc and connecting it to a 42" plasma in the living room using the bits from the current pc in the bare bones case and then buidling some thing new but thats a while away.

FallOutBoyTonto · 10-20-2003, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leejsmith
when i eventualy move i am thinking of getting a barebones case or something that looks more like hifi than pc and connecting it to a 42" plasma in the living room

DigitalPirate · 10-20-2003, 06:55 PM

I hate to burst your bubble, but the gf4 ti 4200 is what I am using, and DirectX 9.0b works just fine with all of the games I play. UT2003, Splinter Cell, SoF2, Warcraft3, etc...
Secondly, a 42" plasma will be unable to give you the kind of big screen gaming action you're obviously looking for. I have installed them in 8 homes, and the refresh rates, native resolution, aspect ratio, are not conductive to PC work, whether gaming or otherwise. the going retail for that kind of display device is $3500.00 for a basic model, which will be unable to display anything above 852x480 progressive res at 16:9 aspect ration(640x480 in computer resolution). If you want flexibility and size, a far longer lifespan, and better value for that kind of cash, go with a ceiling-mounted projector and a motorized screen. The screen rolls up, out of the way when not in use, you can size it as big or small as you want. How about a 300" screen? That translates to (freakin' math) 25ft maximum size. No kidding. Do yourself a favor, and just go look at DLP projectors. Stay away from LCD units, as they do not do motion any better than a 15"LCD monitor. I apologize for the sales pitch, but I know how money can burn a hole in your pocket. While I never had $40.000 doing the china syndrome thing in my wallet, I can understand the flush of having money once in a while. Seriously, I'm glad you chose not to impulse buy all this stuff, having read the whole thread. You would've been real unhappy in a couple months. If you're at all interested in setting up some kind of integrated computer/home theater, email me, and I'll give you some pointers. I've been there too.

satanicoo · 10-20-2003, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalPirate
I hate to burst your bubble, but the gf4 ti 4200 is what I am using, and DirectX 9.0b works just fine with all of the games I play. UT2003, Splinter Cell, SoF2, Warcraft3, etc...
Secondly, a 42" plasma will be unable to give you the kind of big screen gaming action you're obviously looking for. I have installed them in 8 homes, and the refresh rates, native resolution, aspect ratio, are not conductive to PC work, whether gaming or otherwise. the going retail for that kind of display device is $3500.00 for a basic model, which will be unable to display anything above 852x480 progressive res at 16:9 aspect ration(640x480 in computer resolution). If you want flexibility and size, a far longer lifespan, and better value for that kind of cash, go with a ceiling-mounted projector and a motorized screen. The screen rolls up, out of the way when not in use, you can size it as big or small as you want. How about a 300" screen? That translates to (freakin' math) 25ft maximum size. No kidding. Do yourself a favor, and just go look at DLP projectors. Stay away from LCD units, as they do not do motion any better than a 15"LCD monitor. I apologize for the sales pitch, but I know how money can burn a hole in your pocket. While I never had $40.000 doing the china syndrome thing in my wallet, I can understand the flush of having money once in a while. Seriously, I'm glad you chose not to impulse buy all this stuff, having read the whole thread. You would've been real unhappy in a couple months. If you're at all interested in setting up some kind of integrated computer/home theater, email me, and I'll give you some pointers. I've been there too.

Gf4 ti 4200 or any other than not the new FX line does not have directx9 hardware support. That's diferent.

I do agree on the screen thouth. A LCD is not worth it.

I would go for a sony wd900.

DigitalPirate · 10-21-2003, 08:04 PM

Well, I cheerfully admit total ignorance on hardware support for DX 9.0. Bu it works for me, though whether it is actual hardware support or patched support seems to make no difference to me. If it aint broke, don't fix it. If it aint M$, don't patch it...

airspirit · 10-21-2003, 08:16 PM

The TI line does not have hardware DX9 support and the FX line sucks hardcore. The 9500-9800 line beats the snot out of them (the 9600 Pro [slower than the 9500 Pro] got 50% higher benchmarks in HL2, for example, than the beefiest FX Ultra card).

DigitalPirate · 10-21-2003, 08:57 PM

You really like nVidia, don't you airspirit?
I don't feel like spnding the extra monet on a new Xeon MB and Radeon, since I cannot tell the difference with my eyes. F*cking scratched glasses...

airspirit · 10-22-2003, 10:04 AM

Once upon a time I did. Then they started selling overpriced and broken products and lying to the customer base about them. They haven't had a good and competitive product line since around the GF3/4 era, not that you'd hear that from them. On the flipside, where I used to dislike the problems with ATi's drivers (playing GTA3 in the fog, for example), they have been polished to near perfection in recent editions. While their spin has been impressive and the NVidiots have cried foul as loud as they can, nothing can overcome the fact that NVidia has been repeatedly lying and cheating to give their cards a semblance of competitiveness, when in actuality they are vastly inferior to ATi's offering except in high resolution 2D imaging (which is a realm better suited to professional cards anyway).

The only place I would even consider recommending a NVidia card is if you were going to run your computer exclusively in Linux, since their driver support is much better than ATi's. Otherwise it is a foolish purchase regardless of where on the product scale you are looking (excepting those that need Pixel Shader 2.0 and only have $100 to spend ... oh, oops, the 9600 does that too ... nm).

DigitalPirate · 10-22-2003, 10:16 AM

Well, it seems I may need to upgrade to something else after all. Last night I had trouble posting because my machine crashed three tims in two hours. All three times a little file called nv4_mini.sys, which is part of the driver suite for the GF4, caused fatal errors, and sent the otherwise stable computer into a reboot, ususally as I was typing a reply. So now that I have been warned off of manually uninstalling DX9, It seems that once again I must reinstall. ATI is starting to look better and better.

leejsmith · 11-08-2003, 05:48 AM

digitalpirate i see what you mean about projectors.
i am currently working for a national pc service team and had a customer that was big on home cinema. he had a panasonic projector and was happy to give me a demo and i was very impressed.

What projector whould you recomend in the £1000-£2000 range.

i have upgraded my ti4200 to a fx5900 lx from winfast.

i was looking at 9600 pro's until i cam across a winfast a350tdh lx model for £180 which was only £30 more than a 9600pro and £50 less than a 9800 so i thought this was a good price for power balance. Plus the winfast comes with a heatsink that covers the whole card so i should be able to overclock it upto the full speed of a fx5900.

looking at the card i thought it would catch a cap close to the apg but i just fits.

my motherboard is a asus p4pe and so it only has agpx4 so i am not getting the most out of the card but my testing has given me some good results.

at stock settings the a350 lx version runns at 400/700 but i have it at 430/800 with no problems.not sure how far i can push it but will make sure this is stable and go higher.

anyway here are my results.

nothing much in 3dmark2001 and unreal but the dx9 tests shows a big improvement.

09-23-2003, 05:22 AM	#26
leejsmith Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: notts uk Posts: 408	The more i look into this the dual xeon is not that good unless you have software that is tweaked for smp. on standard gaming and everyday use the ddr333 and cpu's 533fsb is left behind by a single p4 of the same speed but with 800fsb and ddr400. Plus the asus pc-dl as it stands has very limited overclocking just fsb no core voltage adjustment or pci lock. anandtech review of the pc-dl delux damn i got a real bargin with the xeon cpu's but it's not worth spending over £500 to get a system working that wont give me that much over my p4 @3287. I would be better off getting a fx5900 or ati 9800 pro (the 9800 sounds better at the moment with the dx9 problems of the fx cards) It would make a nice folder though anyone intersted in a couple of 2.6ghz xeons ? __________________ Folding , Folding , Folding !

09-23-2003, 11:18 AM	#28
leejsmith Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: notts uk Posts: 408	£170 would be 245 euro accourding to www.xe.com I dont know how much shipping would be but i would guess no more than 15 euro if you want them and can pay with paypal i will ship them to you it looks likes i have a buyer for them but i will let you know if not __________________ Folding , Folding , Folding ! Last edited by leejsmith; 09-23-2003 at 11:24 AM.

09-23-2003, 11:43 AM	#30
leejsmith Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: notts uk Posts: 408	now that is impressive stuff me likes __________________ Folding , Folding , Folding !

09-23-2003, 12:44 PM	#32
iggiebee Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miami, Florida US Posts: 117	Do not understand why limit yourself on two CPUs, when you can very well go for 4, 6, 8, or even 24. Best of all will meet your requirements of power, and every day useability. __________________ I stop for 1 C. "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773)

09-23-2003, 01:04 PM	#33
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	They just announced that they will be making dual opteron NForce3 boards. Combine one of those with four 1GB DDR400 LL sticks, two opteron 248/250 chips, a 9800XT, and a couple of prometias (did I mention the custom case for it?) and you could have a raging system ... especially since BIOS versions for the NForce3 platform are starting to leak that allow you to change the multiplier and it appears that FX and Opteron chips may all be unlocked .... By the way, the fastest desktop in the world right now (26300 3dmarks01) is a NForce3/FX51/9800 Pro system with dual prometias (cpu/gpu). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

09-23-2003, 11:37 AM	#29
FallOutBoyTonto Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nunavut - Canada Posts: 35	If I had an unlimited budget I'd get the following: http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/index.htm That is one hell of a PC! Here is a glance at the specs: - Intel P4 Extreme Edition @ 3.8 GHz with 950 FSB - 180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling - Up to 4 GB of Dual-Channel DDR RAM @ 533 MHz - O/Ced ATi Radeon 9800 Pro with High-Definition Component Video Output - 1 TERABYTE of storage (Optional RAM Drives) - Up to 74 full-length 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots - 92" LCD Displays with resolutions of 6400x1200 pixels

09-23-2003, 02:54 PM	#35
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Go to AMDMB.com and look through the top news items ... they have links to the thread and pictures. It is sick. It will be news from Sunday. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

09-29-2003, 03:45 PM	#37
FallOutBoyTonto Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nunavut - Canada Posts: 35	It ain't real. At least according to that site, the products do exist. Just from different companies.

10-02-2003, 03:22 PM	#38
olv Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31	Its a P4 with a vapochill overclocked and some fancy add ons all for a ridiculously high price. nothing that youu couldn't do yourself

10-20-2003, 01:01 PM	#39
DigitalPirate Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: A basement room Posts: 22	I am jumping into this forum rather late, but at this time, if you want to experiment with OC'ing and SMP together, go with the AMDs. The Xeons have not proven themselves to be very OC'able. True, they are really stable, but you could also say that about any processor running at clock speed, including the AMD Athlons. My experience OC'ing the Xeons has been miserable. Before I get flamed, I own a Xeon DP system. It's the one I'm using to type this. I use it mainly for surfing, gaming(very few games out there support SMP), and the occasional bit of audio editing. The only thing it outperforms a convential single CPU platform with is the audio editing, because I bought a program with SMP support. In short, I say that Xeons are really only for those running SMP capable apps. The majority of my CPU cycles are used for folding.

10-20-2003, 01:31 PM	#40
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	If it is folding, then run a dually opteron and put an instance of folding on each proc. That should do you ... __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-20-2003, 01:42 PM	#41
leejsmith Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: notts uk Posts: 408	i accepted an offer on my flat today. it's a little lower than i wanted but i the best thing is i dont have to move. i can rent the flat initialy for 6 months at a reduced rate which is about the same as i pay now and will get to pocket £40,000. in 6 moths i will be looking for a place with my girlfirend so will have plenty for a deposit. anyway this means i could build my dream pc very soon but i dont think i am going to it's just not the best time to upgrade. I might upgrade my vid car from a gf4 ti4200 to a 9600 pro possibley a 9800 pro but thats about it. At least i will be ready for dx9 games i am planning on building a external rad box with a bigger pump than my 1048 and also water cooling the new vid card. perhaps even getting a maze 4 gpu with tec option. when i eventualy move i am thinking of getting a barebones case or something that looks more like hifi than pc and connecting it to a 42" plasma in the living room using the bits from the current pc in the bare bones case and then buidling some thing new but thats a while away. __________________ Folding , Folding , Folding !

10-20-2003, 06:55 PM	#43
DigitalPirate Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: A basement room Posts: 22	I hate to burst your bubble, but the gf4 ti 4200 is what I am using, and DirectX 9.0b works just fine with all of the games I play. UT2003, Splinter Cell, SoF2, Warcraft3, etc... Secondly, a 42" plasma will be unable to give you the kind of big screen gaming action you're obviously looking for. I have installed them in 8 homes, and the refresh rates, native resolution, aspect ratio, are not conductive to PC work, whether gaming or otherwise. the going retail for that kind of display device is $3500.00 for a basic model, which will be unable to display anything above 852x480 progressive res at 16:9 aspect ration(640x480 in computer resolution). If you want flexibility and size, a far longer lifespan, and better value for that kind of cash, go with a ceiling-mounted projector and a motorized screen. The screen rolls up, out of the way when not in use, you can size it as big or small as you want. How about a 300" screen? That translates to (freakin' math) 25ft maximum size. No kidding. Do yourself a favor, and just go look at DLP projectors. Stay away from LCD units, as they do not do motion any better than a 15"LCD monitor. I apologize for the sales pitch, but I know how money can burn a hole in your pocket. While I never had $40.000 doing the china syndrome thing in my wallet, I can understand the flush of having money once in a while. Seriously, I'm glad you chose not to impulse buy all this stuff, having read the whole thread. You would've been real unhappy in a couple months. If you're at all interested in setting up some kind of integrated computer/home theater, email me, and I'll give you some pointers. I've been there too.

10-21-2003, 08:04 PM	#45
DigitalPirate Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: A basement room Posts: 22	Well, I cheerfully admit total ignorance on hardware support for DX 9.0. Bu it works for me, though whether it is actual hardware support or patched support seems to make no difference to me. If it aint broke, don't fix it. If it aint M$, don't patch it...

10-21-2003, 08:16 PM	#46
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	The TI line does not have hardware DX9 support and the FX line sucks hardcore. The 9500-9800 line beats the snot out of them (the 9600 Pro [slower than the 9500 Pro] got 50% higher benchmarks in HL2, for example, than the beefiest FX Ultra card). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-21-2003, 08:57 PM	#47
DigitalPirate Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: A basement room Posts: 22	You really like nVidia, don't you airspirit? I don't feel like spnding the extra monet on a new Xeon MB and Radeon, since I cannot tell the difference with my eyes. F*cking scratched glasses...

10-22-2003, 10:04 AM	#48
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Once upon a time I did. Then they started selling overpriced and broken products and lying to the customer base about them. They haven't had a good and competitive product line since around the GF3/4 era, not that you'd hear that from them. On the flipside, where I used to dislike the problems with ATi's drivers (playing GTA3 in the fog, for example), they have been polished to near perfection in recent editions. While their spin has been impressive and the NVidiots have cried foul as loud as they can, nothing can overcome the fact that NVidia has been repeatedly lying and cheating to give their cards a semblance of competitiveness, when in actuality they are vastly inferior to ATi's offering except in high resolution 2D imaging (which is a realm better suited to professional cards anyway). The only place I would even consider recommending a NVidia card is if you were going to run your computer exclusively in Linux, since their driver support is much better than ATi's. Otherwise it is a foolish purchase regardless of where on the product scale you are looking (excepting those that need Pixel Shader 2.0 and only have $100 to spend ... oh, oops, the 9600 does that too ... nm). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-22-2003, 10:16 AM	#49
DigitalPirate Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: A basement room Posts: 22	Well, it seems I may need to upgrade to something else after all. Last night I had trouble posting because my machine crashed three tims in two hours. All three times a little file called nv4_mini.sys, which is part of the driver suite for the GF4, caused fatal errors, and sent the otherwise stable computer into a reboot, ususally as I was typing a reply. So now that I have been warned off of manually uninstalling DX9, It seems that once again I must reinstall. ATI is starting to look better and better.

11-08-2003, 05:48 AM	#50
leejsmith Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: notts uk Posts: 408	digitalpirate i see what you mean about projectors. i am currently working for a national pc service team and had a customer that was big on home cinema. he had a panasonic projector and was happy to give me a demo and i was very impressed. What projector whould you recomend in the £1000-£2000 range. i have upgraded my ti4200 to a fx5900 lx from winfast. i was looking at 9600 pro's until i cam across a winfast a350tdh lx model for £180 which was only £30 more than a 9600pro and £50 less than a 9800 so i thought this was a good price for power balance. Plus the winfast comes with a heatsink that covers the whole card so i should be able to overclock it upto the full speed of a fx5900. looking at the card i thought it would catch a cap close to the apg but i just fits. my motherboard is a asus p4pe and so it only has agpx4 so i am not getting the most out of the card but my testing has given me some good results. at stock settings the a350 lx version runns at 400/700 but i have it at 430/800 with no problems.not sure how far i can push it but will make sure this is stable and go higher. anyway here are my results. nothing much in 3dmark2001 and unreal but the dx9 tests shows a big improvement. __________________ Folding , Folding , Folding !

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