What about internal pics of the storm?

[satanicoo]

where's the pr0n site?

[pHaestus]

vote for me? On hotornot.com?

You can compare Procooling.com traffic to Overclockers.com traffic on www.alexa.com pretty easily (they crush our site by at least 3x on Alexa's "reach").

The Storm looks really nice in person Cathar; you don't actually notice the adhesive used to seal the barbs in real life.

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

The Storm looks really nice in person Cathar; you don't actually notice the adhesive used to seal the barbs in real life.

Camera's are great for exposing every little imperfection as "larger than life", and are hopeless at attempting to display shiny objects well. A guy visited the other day and had a look at the Silver/G5 block and was utterly amazed at how much shinier it was in real life in comparison to the pictures.

The color of the adhesive is very close in "color" to the barbs, and that's why you don't see it in real life. It's just that cameras tend to highlight contrasting reflectivity very strongly and no matter what I do, the barb goop always comes out looking about ten times worse than it does in real life.

[Cathar]

Oh, I also picked up the proper G5 middle plates today for the prototypes. They look MUCH better than before, and definitely perform better than the original bodgy middle plates.

Took some decent happy snaps, albeit a little dusty.





Am in the process of evaluating performance relative to the G4 now.

[redleader]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

I can send it to JoeC just as easily. I just got my coolant in the loop and am going to run the original Cascade a few times to verify that sensible numbers are coming out of the testbed. If so, I'll start running the G4 tomorrow night late (hell I might even run it tomorrow ALL night and then take a half day Wed at work).

Awesome. I can't wait to see the results.

[Torin]

Agreed. I wonder how close they will be to the theoretical results of 0.8C over the G4.

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by Torin

Agreed. I wonder how close they will be to the theoretical results of 0.8C over the G4.

Just to clarify that was a theoretical 0.8C with an estimated 80W heat load on my testbed setup. Am in early testing now and the very early results so far point to 0.9C better on the Barton XP-M2600+ die with an estimated 90W heat load, or watt per celcius, about bang on what I had calculated. Need to do more mounts though to get a better confidence range on what's being measured. Could've had all bad mounts so far for the G4, or all exceptionally good mounts for the G5....will keep testing.

[Cossey3]

Originally Posted by Cathar

Just to clarify that was a theoretical 0.8C with an estimated 80W heat load on my testbed setup. Am in early testing now and the very early results so far point to 0.9C better on the Barton XP-M2600+ die with an estimated 90W heat load, or watt per celcius, about bang on what I had calculated. Need to do more mounts though to get a better confidence range on what's being measured. Could've had all bad mounts so far for the G4, or all exceptionally good mounts for the G5....will keep testing.

Cathar are you able to give any further estimation of when the prototypes will be signed off and when your hoping to take others for the first batch of g5s?

[Dumfree]

Can someone write some dimensions of Storm G4 or G5

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by Dumfree

Can someone write some dimensions of Storm G4 or G5

Same dimensions for both blocks:

Base block (no mounting adaptor plate, barbs not include): 3" x 2" x 1".

Adaptor plate: 10cm x 8cm x 4mm thick.
Adaptor plate clearance: 33mm from surface of motherboard. Clears tops of mobo capacitors which are typically 25mm high. Clears the Abit IC7-MAX3 plastic duct thing.

Barbs: 1" long from top of block.

[mwolfman]

And you are not planing to use two outlets?

[psychofunk]

Look at the reviews on the front page, has nice pics and all.

[Etacovda]

"Camera's are great for exposing every little imperfection as "larger than life", and are hopeless at attempting to display shiny objects well. A guy visited the other day and had a look at the Silver/G5 block and was utterly amazed at how much shinier it was in real life in comparison to the pictures."

Use multisource lighting and you'll eliminate most of those problems. As for shininess, its more about clarity than anything, so use a tripod. Half of the impression of shininess in real life comes from being able to physically move/move around the shiny object.

[Jonas]

uggg i really wanted to read what davidzo has to say, but i can't wade through the bad denglish.

I work with germans and in fact work for a german company so i know that they can both speak and write coherently. it just does not seem he is even trying to be comprehensible.

seriously not trying to flame, but damnit if you have GOOD information, and VALID opinions it behooves you to present it in such a way that people can understand it. Reminds me of 'leetspeak' and all that other script-kiddie crap.

i would actually probably make more sense out of an all german posting than that travesty i have tried to wade through.

[Cathar]

..........

[Etacovda]

lol, hes been gotten to

/looks around worried

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by Etacovda

lol, hes been gotten to

/looks around worried

Nah, just thought I was being a little bit too cynical.

[bigben2k]

Yeah, it wasn't like you Cathar...

The guy obviously didn't understand anything about the dynamics involved in Cascade, and the impact of the difference in Storm. Yeah, it's not much different, but the difference is significant.

If the block didn't sell near-cost, or was commercial, I think it'd draw more of the same kind of criticism. From a re-seller perspective, the new block brings down the value of the previous block. Not sure if DTek had any objections to the Cascade coming right out after they started selling the White Water.

Funny how business and engineering don't mix well...

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by bigben2k

The guy obviously didn't understand anything about the dynamics involved in Cascade, and the impact of the difference in Storm. Yeah, it's not much different, but the difference is significant.

What was obvious to me was that he was prepared to launch an all out personal assault on myself, as well as lambasting the design, when he didn't have all the information. Now what would motivate someone to do that before they have all the information?

Originally Posted by bigben2k

Not sure if DTek had any objections to the Cascade coming right out after they started selling the White Water.

Funny how business and engineering don't mix well...

I was talking to DTek about them making the White Water back in November '02. The first lot of White Water blocks were meant to come out from DTek in Jan/Feb '03. I had just started development work on what would become the Cascade in early Feb and flagged it with them at the time that it was coming one day once I had gotten the design nutted out.

By the time that June/July rolled around, I had finished with the developing the Cascade design, and was down by a large amount of cash by doing so, and DTek were still saying to me that the White Water would be released "soon". Quite honestly at the time that I formally announced that I was going to be selling Cascade blocks to recover development costs I had all but given up on DTek ever actually getting the White Water blocks out the door.

As far as I was concerned there was 8 months for them to make hay without the cloud of the Cascade over the sun, and it got used up with seemingly never-ending manufacturing delays. I was not in a position to wait indefinitely for them to get the White Water out the door. Honestly though, in the small quantities that the Cascade blocks were made in (slightly more than 200 over 8 months) and with Europe and Australia accounting for about 60% of that number, I would not have thought that its rarity in the grand scheme of things could have made much of a dent at all in anyone's sales in the USA.

[bigben2k]

Yeah, exactly. I think DTek probably sold a lot, regardless of what you did on the side. I was just curious to see if they said anything.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Jonas

uggg i really wanted to read what davidzo has to say, but i can't wade through the bad denglish.

I work with germans and in fact work for a german company so i know that they can both speak and write coherently. it just does not seem he is even trying to be comprehensible.

seriously not trying to flame, but damnit if you have GOOD information, and VALID opinions it behooves you to present it in such a way that people can understand it. Reminds me of 'leetspeak' and all that other script-kiddie crap.

i would actually probably make more sense out of an all german posting than that travesty i have tried to wade through.

I have no clue as to why he tries to slam Cathars work other than he is trying to get his foot in the commercial door.

He says this:

Originally Posted by davidzo

hm, boring design, just what the cascade was but a little mixed up in number size and so. The Storm seems to be different to the cascade in that therms, which i critizised so many times, not a big invention, i am a little diasappointet. I really expectet a fully new design, but this is only a better cascade i think. IMHO the XXS was the completely wrong direction with bigger cooling area and smaller jets, this is some more seriously weighed out. The actual design looks much more intelligent from the jetarea, the baseplatesurface, the jetsize and length.
So thumbs up for the good design, but is definitely nothing really spectacular. We have seen nearly the same inner design from Tommytheold already, with his murks3.1, the Excalibur from rrcooler was also nearly the same and weighed good too. But the technology behind this is old, very old...
and the excalibur was worse than the new microstructureblocks in europe with more than 3rd the surface and jets, so i would expect a good highflow microstructureblock to be euqually or better than the storm. This old design has still some potential, thats right, but i don't think it has enough to tweak much more performance out of it.

Yet his new block (http://web2.cooling-store.de/showthr...?threadid=7292) is based on OLDER tech from Cathar himself which was duped by Morpling1 into a single outlet version that hasn;t been proven to be any better than Cathars White Water in which it was derived from and then minorly changed by davidzo to make some pins over the inlet. There is nothing new or exiting about his block either? In fact it is less impressive by a large margin than the G4/G5....

If one wants to yap about unimpressive then you better have something more impressive to show eh?

Whatever though. Cathars work speaks for itself.

[dacooltech]

Yet his new block (http://web2.cooling-store.de/showth...p?threadid=7292) is based on OLDER tech from Cathar himself which was duped by Morpling1 into a single outlet version that hasn;t been proven to be any better than Cathars White Water in which it was derived from and then minorly changed by davidzo to make some pins over the inlet. There is nothing new or exiting about his block either? In fact it is less impressive by a large margin than the G4/G5....

Jaydee are you referring to the clear topped center inlet-dual outlet block, with micro pins?
this one:


That's Volenti's Micro Pin block, not Davidzo's ...
Volenti's Micro Pin WB thread

Davidzo: hm, boring design, just what the cascade was but a little mixed up in number size and so.

I never saw any of Davidzo's WB designs (has anyone got links?)
If he thinks his designs are better than Cathar's or anyone else's, he should release his block first and let the numbers speak for itself. You can't just call someone's design boring, no matter what though, that's not cool.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by dacooltech

Jaydee are you referring to the clear topped center inlet-dual outlet block, with micro pins?
this one:


That's Volenti's Micro Pin block, not Davidzo's ...
Volenti's Micro Pin WB thread


I never saw any of Davidzo's WB designs (has anyone got links?)
If he thinks his designs are better than Cathar's or anyone else's, he should release his block first and let the numbers speak for itself. You can't just call someone's design boring, no matter what though, that's not cool.

I was under the impression this one was davidzo's.




Unless I read that thread wrong and that block IS morplin1's block....

[jaydee]

HA! That is Morplins block. I now remember the mouse pad. So I have no idea WTF is going on.

[jaydee]

After further investigation I found this thread: http://web2.cooling-store.de/showthr...threadid=10251

Babble Fish is for shit but it seems like he is ssaying those blocks might reprsent his new blocks? I am starting to think he has nothing....

originally posted by davidzo (bablefish translated)

Hello user, As remuneration for the long waiting period here once two Previewbilder of the two shortly appearing Cooling Solutions wasserkuehler. The UCD2 will be more again more highendkuehler with nozzle technology, while the formerly universal UCD v represents a completely new Lowcostreihe. Both radiators follow the old UCD principle: A small radiator with good achievement universally applicable on all chips in the personal computer such as CCU, diagram map and Northbridge, which can be cooled. The UCD2 is thereby likewise the basis for the new diagram map complete radiator GCD.

Well who guess the pins are as large there?

Guess how large those pins are? I think I have a pretty good idea. I done these about 2 years ago.
That is an 1/8" endmill sitting ontop of that base..




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