No competition, why only HWlabs?

[Marci]

Hehe.... I no longer have the luxury of a basement in the new house, and nor does anyone I know at the moment... however, the workshop I use over in Castleford has a painting booth that is always a fairly constant temp, and always bitter cold if no spraying has gone on recently... will have words with the relevant folks...

Heatsource.... well I could produce a staggering heatload if I needed to just over-ride the thermostat in an electric cooker and then undervolt a ring element should work (?) - just can't pin a figure on that heatload unless someone knows the maths to work it back from the original wattage rating of the element vs 240v pulled down to 100v...

[BillA]

I would scrounge some TECs, be more relevant

[Marci]

TECs definitely ain't a problem - got boxes n boxes n boxes of em upstairs (226w 12v, 172w 24v, 169w 12v, 120w 12v, 80w 12v)... in fact, should have a full Swifty Kit somewhere of 226w TEC and Meanwell s320-12 with bay mounting bracket and Rev2 relay... along with a few old MCW5002-T blocks... think I've still got my MCW462-UHT as well! *heads off to find the oldest tattiest looking box that I'll have lobbed em in many years ago*

So, the plan...

Meanwell s320-12
226w TEC
DD Maze4 A64 (Swifty blocks I have don't have A64 wings)
MCP600
PA160

Now, just need Cathar to sort me out those fans... my supplier hasn't got stock in yet...
and need the Prototype PA160 to return from the LAN that it just went to in the demo rig...

Monitor coolant in and out temps 2" from radiator inlet / outlet, and Air in and out temps 2" from core surface... and temp of waterblock copper base / TEC hotside... and room ambient temps

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by Marci

The design goal is best performance with a SINGLE silent fan... as efficient as possible.

Maybe we need some sort of new term for efficient-for-noise...(?) Maybe there is one I don't know about?
Then there's efficient-for-available-space . There are lots of mid-tower cases that have room for something this size in the lower front. If you want to install the BIP II or BIX II there, there's, hmmm... the Genie. Any others?

As a "you probably thought about this already" kind of suggestion, maybe, once this is a shipping product, it might make sense to also provide a stick-on template with screw holes and rectangular opening already cut out. That'd let semi-new'bs figure out where to mount the rad, and, after drilling just one or two holes, be able to test-mount the rad/shroud/fan inside the case - and if they'd figured wrong, they'd just have a screw hole or two in the wrong place(es) rather than a big rectangular hole. Shouldn't add to cost of goods much.

[aaronspink]

Originally Posted by Marci

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Now, just need Cathar to sort me out those fans... my supplier hasn't got stock in yet...

For fans...

The Nexus 120mm would be a good bet. A fairly known quantity among the silent/low-noise circles.
Pabst 4412FGL or 4312NL/NGL
AcoustiFan 120 mm fan
Enermax / Compuman / Globe Fan UC-12FAB / B1202412M-3M

These are all the top rated fans from SilentPCReview. As such these would most likely the the fans the silent crowd would use.

[Marci]

maybe, once this is a shipping product, it might make sense to also provide a stick-on template with screw holes and rectangular opening already cut out. That'd let semi-new'bs figure out where to mount the rad, and, after drilling just one or two holes, be able to test-mount the rad/shroud/fan inside the case - and if they'd figured wrong, they'd just have a screw hole or two in the wrong place(es) rather than a big rectangular hole. Shouldn't add to cost of goods much.

Doubt I could stirr up the enthusiasm required to produce a stickybacked template... or the budget at the moment... however, will defintitely do the usual PDF download-&-print-fer-yerselves template as I did with the HE series... then if folks really want it sticky backed they can just go buy some sticky paper for their printer.

I like to force folks to do SOME of the work themselves Encourages them to do their research properly... and also makes em learn from their mistakes... s'how it was when I had to learn about all this stuff

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by Marci

I like to force folks to do SOME of the work themselves Encourages them to do their research properly... and also makes em learn from their mistakes... s'how it was when I had to learn about all this stuff

There's certainly that side of it - but every new water-cooler who tells his buddies that "it was dead easy" increases the number of potential purchasers. As a hobbyist, I'm perfectly glad to leave things exclusive - but I'm not sure that's the right direction for water cooling as a whole.
On the other hand, make something too big a market and suddenly it's being made in China and sold at Walmart. Pretty sure I don't want that either - so maybe you're more right than I know

[Delirious]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

There's certainly that side of it - but every new water-cooler who tells his buddies that "it was dead easy" increases the number of potential purchasers. As a hobbyist, I'm perfectly glad to leave things exclusive - but I'm not sure that's the right direction for water cooling as a whole.
On the other hand, make something too big a market and suddenly it's being made in China and sold at Walmart. Pretty sure I don't want that either - so maybe you're more right than I know

well they sell dangerden stuff at newegg now, so i dont think wal-mart is far off

[Marci]

PA160s should be available to retail in the UK tomorrow evening... First one thru the door will be getting shipped straight to Cathar... apols for lack of updates, everything has gone a tad chaotic this end and am working flat out to make a hole to catch up on stuff I said I'd do but so far haven't!

[JSimmons]

What is a PA160?

[Delirious]

Originally Posted by Marci

PA160s should be available to retail in the UK tomorrow evening... First one thru the door will be getting shipped straight to Cathar... apols for lack of updates, everything has gone a tad chaotic this end and am working flat out to make a hole to catch up on stuff I said I'd do but so far haven't!

Will u be makeing a dual 120 version?

[Risky]

Good work.

Do you have a retail price for it yet?

[Marci]

What is a PA160?

Go read the thread.

Will u be makeing a dual 120 version?

Nope

Do you have a retail price for it yet?

Later today...

[Marci]

PA160 Now online and available to purchase.... see www.thermochill.com

Retailing at £54.05 inc VAT in the UK. Whatever that works out to elsewhere is solely dependant on the exchange rate at the moment. Pricedrop has also been put into effect on the HE120.x series rads across the board. 40mm Shrouds for HE series have also been launched to retail today.

Currently only O-CuK have stocks. Other ThermoChill resellers should be receiving stocks within the next week or so. International Distributors may have a slightly longer delay.

[mcmad]

nice one Marci..

order is in

[Marci]

however, will defintitely do the usual PDF download-&-print-fer-yerselves template as I did with the HE series...

http://www.thermochill.com/guides/pa160template.pdf

[Razor6]

It seems like the price should fall between the 120.1 and the 120.2, like $95 here in the US. Still pretty expensive compared to HWlabs products though. $65 would probably be a competitive price against them if they had a similar product and priced it between the BIP and BIP2.

[Ruiner]

The exchange rate will not help US sales.

[[-Stash-]]

Originally Posted by Marci

PA160 Now online and available to purchase.... see www.thermochill.com

Retailing at £54.05 inc VAT in the UK. Whatever that works out to elsewhere is solely dependant on the exchange rate at the moment. Pricedrop has also been put into effect on the HE120.x series rads across the board. 40mm Shrouds for HE series have also been launched to retail today.

Currently only O-CuK have stocks. Other ThermoChill resellers should be receiving stocks within the next week or so. International Distributors may have a slightly longer delay.

I don't suppose you had any luck with sourcing any of that 3/8"ID tubing that Cathar mentioned did you? Or is the 3/8" Tygon as close as we're going to get to it?

[Marci]

Nothing as of yet...