Anyone want to brag about their supreme LAN? - Page 2

phreenet · 01-28-2002, 08:18 PM

You kids I swear

, stop using those ghey plug and play routers from Linksys, DLink and Netgear, get a Linux box running or splurge for a Cisco Router something you can actually configure

Lonely Raven · 01-28-2002, 08:34 PM

So Beav...the only thing I can figure is that your running a
Pr0n Syte. WTF do you need all that power for?

Phree, I'm gonna shoot that avitar of yours...

imagex · 01-30-2002, 06:11 PM

I just setup smoothwall on a old pc "firewall/gateway",what other
software is out there? like to do load balanceing, but i'm not "schooled" on linux. any easy software?

Joe · 01-30-2002, 06:33 PM

Phree since you are now a self proclaimed Network guru it seems, tell me WHY I should need a very expensive Cisco deal? or an overly complex waste of hardware to build a Linux router?

I run a linksys, it does EVERYTHING I need...blocks what I dont want, and NAT's what I want, and supports IPSEC. What more you need?

I swear, people who preach about network routers for homes sometimes amaze me with how impractical their advice is. damn kids...

Everyone, also since you are going to buy a chunk of Cisco for your network now, how about you switch over to fiber also, I mean you wouldnt want someone to be able to tap in too easy and listen in as you download porn on your insecure CAT5 would ya?....

Joe · 01-30-2002, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beav
I have a 24 port/2gigaport Linksys swiches that supports synchronous port aggregation , and 2 8 port linksys switches.
Dual 1.5 p3 with a gig of ram and a 45gig IBM ata100 HD,
Dual 600mhz G4 with 40gig IBM ata66 HD,
Dual 800mhz Itanium with like 2 gigs of ram and a fat HD array,
Dual 1.7gighz P4 Xeon, 1gig of ram with 36gigs of Ultra 160 HD's
Dual 500mhz P3 Xeon SGI 320 box
Dual 333mhz Ultra Sparc-II with 1gig of ram 40 gigs of ultra 160 HD's
1.6 OC'd T-bird with 36gigs HD Ultra 160 Raid 0 (adaptec 2100s) and 512mb ram
1.628 OC'd T-bird with 120gig's HD ata 100 and 512mb of ram.

And a brand new G5 baby on the way

The 24 port switch cost me an arm and a leg, but i need it for the lan i'm hosting.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So much money, So much hardware, so much waste... I wish your daddy would buy me something

Umm beav I thought that Itanic was your dads work... so its not really on yout lan

same with the Sparc.... that Damn Itanic is sucking the life from that Sun box and the whole west coast as its the Black hole of power and money

phreenet · 01-30-2002, 08:23 PM

Just pure hate on those post Joe. But ohh well

Joe · 01-30-2002, 08:33 PM

Hate or not, dont avoid the question I just asked, why should people buy cisco stuff when there is nothing to warrant it for home lans.

phreenet · 01-30-2002, 08:53 PM

Ok let me clarify my statement.

Quote:

You kids I swear , stop using those ghey plug and play routers from Linksys, DLink and Netgear, get a Linux box running or splurge for a Cisco Router something you can actually configure

I in no way am expecting anyway to have a Cisco Router or Switch in their home LAN. And I am NOT flaming anyone in anyway for owning an Out of the Box Solution, they work just fine, I have installed them for many friends who actually have broadband (unlike myself

) and never had a call back, not even one. It was for all intents and purposes a light-hearted statement. And if anyone ever has a problem with something I said, why don't you address me, the source of your problem, before you go and tell someone else, if that person did that to begin with, there would be no problem. I will always open and entertain a peaceful and intellectual conversation without the need for insults and uglyness. This thread was started on the sole basis for people to brag about their LANs thats it.

clone · 01-30-2002, 08:59 PM

Joe were do you get off insulting beav about his stuff it is not meant to be the best stuff it works great for what it is priced and the market that it is meant for not to mention that you bitch at phree about insulting hardware when you go and do it to one of your own writers

Joe · 01-30-2002, 09:05 PM

my and phree cleared up the mis understanding in chat, and Beav, well thats just some good ole fashion harrassment

his gear is great, except for the itanium, we all know that thing is a black hole of power.

every time I hear of a new 2000 - 15,000$ computer hes getting it makes me laugh

clone · 01-30-2002, 09:57 PM

understood just thought that it was funny how you went off on phree (didnt know you cleand it up in irc) and then went off on beav

imagex · 01-31-2002, 12:04 AM

wow, ok, um, back to linux boxes. is then any "premade" soft ware like smoothwall that does more without haveing to learn linux?

phreenet · 01-31-2002, 07:43 AM

Yeah man, Smoothwall is for Linux. There are also firewalling/gateway tools built right into Linux. You can use IPTables if you are using a newer verison of Linux, like RedHat 7.2, or you can use IPChains (what I use) if you have an older verison of RedHat, like verison 7.1. IPChains is easier to use and setup than IPTables but IPTables is a little more robust. And there is a tool that comes with RedHat 7.1 called firewall-config, it is a GUI front end to IPChains so you can setup Masquerading and Port and Address Blocking. Remember that if you only need one command to turn on forwarding: ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -i eth0 -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d 0.0.0.0/0 (where eth0 or eth1 is the NIC connected to your LAN). That is your basic forwarding chain that doesn't care what it forwards and from whom, if you are worried about someone using your network and getting to the outside world you could make it a little harder by making it only for a couple of addresses on your LAN, or a pool of them with a subnet mask, but that is just paranoia. There is a tutorial on www.linux.com you can also use free software called Freesco and LRP (Linux Router Project) which is just a floppy verison of Linux that doesn't need an HD, boots right from your floppy and is easy to setup.

dantheman · 01-31-2002, 08:04 AM

I have run LRP before, it works quite well for a old box that you have stolen the hard drive out of. There are alot of corprate based firewalls for linux also. The company I work for makes one, so I have just borrowed a copy from the office.

phreenet · 01-31-2002, 05:02 PM

Yes there is some commerical software advailable for Linux that will work, one of the best I have seen and used is called NetMax, http://www.netmax.com/, they make a whole range of Linux Networking products, but they can be costly, up to around $140.00. But it comes with a web interface for easy configuration

imagex · 01-31-2002, 05:42 PM

thanks, I'm realy glad joe started the network part of the forum. it's hard to find a lot of info on this stuff. "THANKX JOE"

Bollocks · 01-31-2002, 07:25 PM

You can also download the Mandrake Simple Network Firewall i think its called.

Its based on mandrake 8.1, comes on one cd, free to download the iso, and its quite a nice router, with a web based control for it.

Ive used it a bit, but the downside being is linux and win2k/xp wont run my l33t netcomm roadster 2 ultra USB modem, so i tend to just route out via my gf's 98se machine.

phreenet · 02-01-2002, 11:36 AM

I need to install a window and neon light into my Netgear Hub

Leuf · 02-04-2002, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe
Hate or not, dont avoid the question I just asked, why should people buy cisco stuff when there is nothing to warrant it for home lans.

Well, I can say my experience so far with my d-link router has been a nightmare. After 5 days of normal use it just won't connect anymore, or randomly will for 10 mins then die again. At least if your linux box screws up you can actually fix it, and I doubt your cisco will up and die on you like that, whereas I'm stuck in tech support hell and maybe in a month they'll actually send me a new one.

-Leuf

ck42 · 02-08-2002, 09:01 PM

Well, I'd post my LAN setup but all my firewalls prevent me from actually seeing what I have anymore.....

All I know is that the 500ft. CAT5 box has about 15 ft of cable left in it.

...this is good, I think <

phreenet · 02-08-2002, 09:26 PM

Uhh how many firewalls do you need and what kind of firewalls are they?

Joe · 02-08-2002, 10:21 PM

CK is ultra paranoid, hes got like 4 layers of firewalls, and armed guards protecting his floppy drive, cause you dont want people sneaking in that way either.

phreenet · 02-08-2002, 10:37 PM

Ultra paranioa indeed, I was always taught that you should only need one Firewall for your network and that is the firewall that sits between your WAN connection and your router or your router and your first switch, depending on the circumstances. Having firewalls inside your network is pointless, if you are worried about users doing stuff from the inside just setup Access List and VLANs, and then proceed to beat them ruthlessly as needed.

dantheman · 02-08-2002, 11:07 PM

what if you just link firewalls together?

Firewalls internal are not that bad to keep users from creating servers on their own. We had irc blocked from us, so we set up a irc server, did the same with aim. They finally blocked those ports on our site firewall. They also are there to keep alot of the traffic we generate out of the other sites. We work alot with exploits, so it is never known what is out on the site, and the firewalls catch most of our random stuff.

ck42 · 02-08-2002, 11:40 PM

LOL...ok guys, settle down

Joe got the joke...he's familiar with my cyber-paranoia.

Just FYI, I run the main FW on a dedicated box which is also my router/gateway.

I run another firewall on internal nodes because the main firewall is not able to determine the app that is making passing packets...sure would be nice if it could. The firewalls on internal boxen ARE able to match applications with the requested communications...so things are kept in check from the inside in this manner.

Now...back to patching the hole I had to punch in the firewalls just to post this message

01-28-2002, 08:18 PM	#26
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	You kids I swear , stop using those ghey plug and play routers from Linksys, DLink and Netgear, get a Linux box running or splurge for a Cisco Router something you can actually configure __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

01-28-2002, 08:34 PM	#27
Lonely Raven Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 69	So Beav...the only thing I can figure is that your running a Pr0n Syte. WTF do you need all that power for? Phree, I'm gonna shoot that avitar of yours... __________________ The Lonely Raven Jack of All Trades, Master of None IT Samurai

01-30-2002, 06:11 PM	#28
imagex Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: south FL Posts: 220	I just setup smoothwall on a old pc "firewall/gateway",what other software is out there? like to do load balanceing, but i'm not "schooled" on linux. any easy software? __________________ Overkill'n Overclock'n Hybrid Mobile Solutions

01-30-2002, 06:33 PM	#29
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Phree since you are now a self proclaimed Network guru it seems, tell me WHY I should need a very expensive Cisco deal? or an overly complex waste of hardware to build a Linux router? I run a linksys, it does EVERYTHING I need...blocks what I dont want, and NAT's what I want, and supports IPSEC. What more you need? I swear, people who preach about network routers for homes sometimes amaze me with how impractical their advice is. damn kids... Everyone, also since you are going to buy a chunk of Cisco for your network now, how about you switch over to fiber also, I mean you wouldnt want someone to be able to tap in too easy and listen in as you download porn on your insecure CAT5 would ya?.... __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

01-30-2002, 08:23 PM	#31
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	Just pure hate on those post Joe. But ohh well __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

01-30-2002, 08:33 PM	#32
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Hate or not, dont avoid the question I just asked, why should people buy cisco stuff when there is nothing to warrant it for home lans. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

01-30-2002, 08:59 PM	#34
clone Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Springfield, MA Posts: 160	Joe were do you get off insulting beav about his stuff it is not meant to be the best stuff it works great for what it is priced and the market that it is meant for not to mention that you bitch at phree about insulting hardware when you go and do it to one of your own writers

01-30-2002, 09:05 PM	#35
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	my and phree cleared up the mis understanding in chat, and Beav, well thats just some good ole fashion harrassment his gear is great, except for the itanium, we all know that thing is a black hole of power. every time I hear of a new 2000 - 15,000$ computer hes getting it makes me laugh __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

01-30-2002, 09:57 PM	#36
clone Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: West Springfield, MA Posts: 160	understood just thought that it was funny how you went off on phree (didnt know you cleand it up in irc) and then went off on beav

01-31-2002, 12:04 AM	#37
imagex Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: south FL Posts: 220	wow, ok, um, back to linux boxes. is then any "premade" soft ware like smoothwall that does more without haveing to learn linux? __________________ Overkill'n Overclock'n Hybrid Mobile Solutions

01-31-2002, 07:43 AM	#38
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	Yeah man, Smoothwall is for Linux. There are also firewalling/gateway tools built right into Linux. You can use IPTables if you are using a newer verison of Linux, like RedHat 7.2, or you can use IPChains (what I use) if you have an older verison of RedHat, like verison 7.1. IPChains is easier to use and setup than IPTables but IPTables is a little more robust. And there is a tool that comes with RedHat 7.1 called firewall-config, it is a GUI front end to IPChains so you can setup Masquerading and Port and Address Blocking. Remember that if you only need one command to turn on forwarding: ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -i eth0 -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d 0.0.0.0/0 (where eth0 or eth1 is the NIC connected to your LAN). That is your basic forwarding chain that doesn't care what it forwards and from whom, if you are worried about someone using your network and getting to the outside world you could make it a little harder by making it only for a couple of addresses on your LAN, or a pool of them with a subnet mask, but that is just paranoia. There is a tutorial on www.linux.com you can also use free software called Freesco and LRP (Linux Router Project) which is just a floppy verison of Linux that doesn't need an HD, boots right from your floppy and is easy to setup. __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

01-31-2002, 08:04 AM	#39
dantheman Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 152	I have run LRP before, it works quite well for a old box that you have stolen the hard drive out of. There are alot of corprate based firewalls for linux also. The company I work for makes one, so I have just borrowed a copy from the office.

01-31-2002, 05:02 PM	#40
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	Yes there is some commerical software advailable for Linux that will work, one of the best I have seen and used is called NetMax, http://www.netmax.com/, they make a whole range of Linux Networking products, but they can be costly, up to around $140.00. But it comes with a web interface for easy configuration __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

01-31-2002, 05:42 PM	#41
imagex Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: south FL Posts: 220	thanks, I'm realy glad joe started the network part of the forum. it's hard to find a lot of info on this stuff. "THANKX JOE" __________________ Overkill'n Overclock'n Hybrid Mobile Solutions

01-31-2002, 07:25 PM	#42
Bollocks Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 54	You can also download the Mandrake Simple Network Firewall i think its called. Its based on mandrake 8.1, comes on one cd, free to download the iso, and its quite a nice router, with a web based control for it. Ive used it a bit, but the downside being is linux and win2k/xp wont run my l33t netcomm roadster 2 ultra USB modem, so i tend to just route out via my gf's 98se machine. __________________ Bollocks -------------- Celeron 466@525 stable Plans for H20 setup in HX08

02-01-2002, 11:36 AM	#43
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	I need to install a window and neon light into my Netgear Hub __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

02-08-2002, 09:01 PM	#45
ck42 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Atlanta Posts: 154	Well, I'd post my LAN setup but all my firewalls prevent me from actually seeing what I have anymore..... All I know is that the 500ft. CAT5 box has about 15 ft of cable left in it. ...this is good, I think <

02-08-2002, 09:26 PM	#46
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	Uhh how many firewalls do you need and what kind of firewalls are they? __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

02-08-2002, 10:21 PM	#47
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	CK is ultra paranoid, hes got like 4 layers of firewalls, and armed guards protecting his floppy drive, cause you dont want people sneaking in that way either. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

02-08-2002, 10:37 PM	#48
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	Ultra paranioa indeed, I was always taught that you should only need one Firewall for your network and that is the firewall that sits between your WAN connection and your router or your router and your first switch, depending on the circumstances. Having firewalls inside your network is pointless, if you are worried about users doing stuff from the inside just setup Access List and VLANs, and then proceed to beat them ruthlessly as needed. __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

02-08-2002, 11:07 PM	#49
dantheman Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 152	what if you just link firewalls together? Firewalls internal are not that bad to keep users from creating servers on their own. We had irc blocked from us, so we set up a irc server, did the same with aim. They finally blocked those ports on our site firewall. They also are there to keep alot of the traffic we generate out of the other sites. We work alot with exploits, so it is never known what is out on the site, and the firewalls catch most of our random stuff.

02-08-2002, 11:40 PM	#50
ck42 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Atlanta Posts: 154	LOL...ok guys, settle down Joe got the joke...he's familiar with my cyber-paranoia. Just FYI, I run the main FW on a dedicated box which is also my router/gateway. I run another firewall on internal nodes because the main firewall is not able to determine the app that is making passing packets...sure would be nice if it could. The firewalls on internal boxen ARE able to match applications with the requested communications...so things are kept in check from the inside in this manner. Now...back to patching the hole I had to punch in the firewalls just to post this message

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