Cut it Out??!!??

[pHaestus]

I don't see any reason to sugar coat it; if someone is a ****ing idiot then that is what they are. But perhaps we are a bit quick to throw out allegations of stupidity or idiocy. Maybe simply pointing out what is incorrect in a review is more acceptable?

I dunno I mean we have been doing some good (a few of the worse writers have gotten fired from their reviewer jobs) but at the same time it just seems to be getting a little ridiculous.

//edit: I am very afraid when I see people continue to vote for "porn site" after it was made clear that the pornography will be of me and Joe. That's just WRONG, man.

[bigben2k]

LOL!


Not sure if anyone cares but...

The problem is that we need to be systematic about bashing a review. i.e. give a complete answer such as "this part was wrong, because of X and it should have read Y".

That involves determining a proper structure for a review. That would be a starting point, but I don't see that happening anytime soon, so I expect it to stay the same, alas.

Glad to see you bring up the topic though. I don't mind the threads; I use them to recruit more members.

[nikhsub1]

The way I see it, procooling is the only place that keeps these shit reviews honest. It goes back to that awful thread I started about choking the inlet (what a mistake, lol), tell it like it is is what I heard from that thread. And why should crap reviews be left unscathed? If they are left that way, what is to stop their reproduction over and over? Procooling must save the net from all the wretchedness! Well, pH and Joe, it is your forum...

[pHaestus]

//edit: To Ben: And so if these awful reviews continue after WBTA I can only conclude you are part of the problem and not the solution?

Also WTF another vote for Joe Kelly pr0n!

//Edit: Alright Scott I'll grant you that I guess. But man it wears down on me sometimes. It also bothers me that large groups of people refuse to read information I put together FOR THEIR BENEFIT because of some squabble on the forums.

[Cathar]

Well I guess perhaps one need look no further than Brazil for an answer to the dilemna Phaestus:

http://www.thenakedreview.com/

Although it appears that none of videos are now working. Time to take up the torch perhaps? Mix quality reviews with sex - something to get even Joe Sixpack worked up about?

[pHaestus]

Pure.Unadulterated.Genius

Everything's better with Brazilian boobies

[nikhsub1]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

And so if these awful reviews continue I can only conclude you are part of the problem and not the solution?

Honestly, I always try to not be part of the problem. When discussions get deeper than my knowledge, I tend to refrain from commenting, not because I don't want to, but because I don't want to be any part of misinformation. It just sucks that these sites that do reviews have no clue and just don't care. Bottom line is, no matter your stance, people know that this is where the people are that do know.

[pHaestus]

no no no. Was referring to Ben's comments about getting new members for the WBTA from Procooling review roastings

No complaints with you Scott.

I wonder if maybe a page from SomethingAwful could again be useful: A ShitReview Repository with awful neon colors and constantly playing annoying music. Just move threads there when they go sour.

[nikhsub1]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

no no no. Was referring to Ben's comments about getting new members for the WBTA from Procooling review roastings

No complaints with you Scott....

Oh, lol!

[bigben2k]

Wether they join or not is up to them

The opportunity is there, for those reviewers that want to learn (read: have an open mind). The WBTA is here to stay, I just need to add a lot more useful info to it.

[BillA]

oh my !
tutelage under one of the Masters
your mail box must be so full

[pHaestus]

You know my luck? I start this thread and THEN that quote from Gruntville/Polarflo comes up about the waterblock that keeps die temperature constant while water temps rise. It's eating at my insides now I can tell you. I am out of beer too. I will soon snap; perhaps the world DOES need cantankerous assholes rather than a friendly open forum...

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

You know my luck? I start this thread and THEN that quote from Gruntville/Polarflo comes up about the waterblock that keeps die temperature constant while water temps rise. It's eating at my insides now I can tell you. I am out of beer too. I will soon snap; perhaps the world DOES need cantankerous assholes rather than a friendly open forum...

See what happens the moment you go soft! You flipped over and reamed up the back-side without so much as a kiss to start you off.

[BalefireX]

Most civil way of solving the problem is to compile scientific proof and present it politely as a correction, rather than a flame.

[pHaestus]

If you people don't quit voting for porn option I am going to take more pics like this!

[Ewout_vB]

Originally Posted by BalefireX

Most civil way of solving the problem is to compile scientific proof and present it politely as a correction, rather than a flame.

Or you could just email the guy that wrote the article.

[pHaestus]

Yea but the standard approach is for us to make snide comments right here until eventually the author appears and gets indignant.

[nikhsub1]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

If you people don't quit voting for porn option I am going to take more pics like this!

OK, now that is just ehm, well... anyway, your link is horked, it should be THIS

[HAL-9000]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

Yea but I don't think the average web reviewer is of much risk of whipping up a nuclear weapon given the physics mastery demonstrated in the reviews.

I would have to agree...they probably think detonating a nuclear bomb will somehow lower temps below ambient.

However, I agree with the general tone of your comments. I just posted on the PolarFLO TT Gruntville thread criticizing another goof review, again another flame war appears to be heating up there. But, I would have to say with folks like unregistered, this site is kinda stuck in a rut that way I think. The reason I mention unregistered is because he is pretty much always right in his arguments, and is prone to making some pretty earthy personal comments to people who are obviously technically wrong. Then its no longer about the review or watercooling, its about personal egos...and the flames sprout up, forest burns down, lawyers are called(!) etc.

I think people here will always post bad reviews, and good ones too. The review of the C-System pump at systemcooling.com I thought was very good for instance. But what we need to do is make it less personal. Just because someone is not so informed in thermodynamics or testing methodology and insturmentation doesn't make them retards, it just makes them uninformed. Most of these guys are trying really hard, and are enthusiasts just like us. Just misinformed, or not informed at all. Now folks like that dork Liquid3D had it coming, but for the most part these are good guys who would probably like to do better if it didn't involve personal humiliation. We have more in common than uncommon. After all, I think most of us here are here to learn from other sometimes more informed people...at least thats why I'm here.

[cougem]

C'mon pH, look at your sig, it says it all.

'Home of the big players' - how can you call yourself a big player if we sit here and brood about all the other poorer reviews on the net. That's what gets procooling well known to the members who follow the other sites - not because they type watercooling in google one day and we come up, but because we infest their forums like the plague.

And with all due respect (and believe me, there's a lot of it) but this sounds all a bit weird from the guy who wrote:

Since there is so much hate for me and the way I do things, and since your methods are so clearly superior, this should be easy for you guys.

Your pal*

pHaestus



*and by pal I mean the guy that leaves flaming bags of poo on your doorstep and rings the bell

on www.wizdforums.co.uk - it was funny as hell, that's my point.

I'm not saying I love the abuse, but I just realise that constructive criticism, is a must on procooling. We have to be outspoken, that's what a forums for, BUT I agree we should be more polite about it sometimes.

And I also thing is brings the procooling community closer together if we can bitch as a family....

[Myth]

Risking to get whipped by several big players.. (which could be taped and used on forthcomming pornsite) We could set up a few basic pointers and rules which people could use to do better reviews. It's impossible for every little site out there to have testbenches like those people in here sports, but still a few ground rules to be kept.. and perhaps "education" could eliminate just a wee bit of the poor jobs done..

[zero0ne]

what about a seperate section of the forums here for review bashing, that only users are allowed to post or see....

maybe even go so far as to make a Good review and a Bad review section...
and also try to promote users here at Procooling to submit more articles/get more staff to help with articles...

EDIT: i voted for the p0rn

[AngryAlpaca]

I try to avoid personal things, but they take inaccuracies in their review personally. Also, it doesn't seem that anyone here wants to fix it - we want the reviewer to do the research on their own. Now, the question is, would you do research if you knew (or thought you knew) everything?

[pHaestus]

The "Many of whom are Big Players and making big money on 1/2" hoses" tag was given to the Procooling forums by some idiot at wizdforums. I thought it was hilarious though (as did Joe) and so he registered there as BigPlayer and me as pH-BigPlayer and we are taking the "bling bling" thing to its logical conclusions.

Did you notice the site and forum bylines in the top graphics?

Ok I am assuming that if as many people want to see me and Joe naked as want us to stop flaming poor reviews than it is a wash. You guys might as well just carry on then

[bigben2k]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

...You guys might as well just carry on then

Fine by me. I didn't expect any change, simply by putting up a poll. Seems to me that you're fishing for a better way, but I'm not sure what you'd do with it anyways.
:shrug: