Thoughts on PolarFlo - Page 2

jaydee · 08-06-2004, 08:36 PM

The internal design is for shit. That why it dosn't work well. Base is most likely to thick to make use of the middle inlet and thats why it doesn't help much (not to mention no jet). IMO they put zero thought into performance or they simply just don't have a clue how to design a performance block. Would have been pretty easy to make that block perform a lot better and probably easier to mill aswell without compromising the bling bling outer design. But what do I know... Just hope they didn't pay someone for that internal design.

infinity9 · 08-06-2004, 09:35 PM

pretty much my thoughts.. they are simply producing what looks like a killer block and the average public looks for everything they have.. apple has had success doing this why not a waterblock company

BalefireX · 08-06-2004, 09:40 PM

Lets not get drawn into the mistake of making comments without testing to back them up... seen that far too often on other sites... think we could get 12 people to throw in $5 to get one for pH?

jaydee · 08-06-2004, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BalefireX

Lets not get drawn into the mistake of making comments without testing to back them up... seen that far too often on other sites... think we could get 12 people to throw in $5 to get one for pH?

Huh???

P.S. WTF is up with this 10 charater minimum?

SysCrusher · 08-06-2004, 10:30 PM

Another block idea that was close but not close enough. Be interesting to see some details about the block to see why it's not close enough or see PH take it for a spin a few times.

BalefireX · 08-06-2004, 10:35 PM

AFAIK, nobody here has actually seen one of these in person or done any testing on one - so while we can offer opinions, we can't make definate statements on performance. However, if a dozen people were interested in finding out, and they all sent $5 to pH, he could buy one and test it... maybe then he could even sell/auction it off and get the donator's money back.

infinity9 · 08-06-2004, 10:42 PM

honestly i think it would be a waste of money to even test. if they want to send one to ph then we will see the true performance. honestly i think they dont want it revealed. they use alot of smoke and mirrors talking about their block and offer very little data. when you see this with the flashy appearance it generally means they are just trying to design something that looks like it works well. if they were serious about making a top end product dont you think they would want everyone to know?

BalefireX · 08-06-2004, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by infinity9

when you see this with the flashy appearance it generally means they are just trying to design something that looks like it works well. if they were serious about making a top end product dont you think they would want everyone to know?

I agree with your assumptions 100%, but it is just conjecture at this point

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Originally Posted by infinity9

honestly i think they dont want it revealed.

Thats what makes me want to see it tested

pHaestus · 08-06-2004, 10:57 PM

At this point they'd claim "sour grapes because we didn't send a block for testing" if I bought one. I would say just let the test data on their website speak for itself

jaydee · 08-06-2004, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BalefireX

AFAIK, nobody here has actually seen one of these in person or done any testing on one - so while we can offer opinions, we can't make definate statements on performance. However, if a dozen people were interested in finding out, and they all sent $5 to pH, he could buy one and test it... maybe then he could even sell/auction it off and get the donator's money back.

Did you not read the review from [H]? Did you not see the inner design?
http://www.hardocp.com/images/articl...VCw_1_12_l.jpg
I don't care if I don't have one in hand. Personal experience from building and designing blocks tells me the design sucks. [H]'s review backs it up even if it isn't perfect. If PolorFlo wants an honest test they will send it. The block has to prove it is worth $60 before anyone should devote any money torwards one....

RedPhoenix · 08-06-2004, 11:02 PM

Very bad design. Even I know that.. and I havent made any waterblocks.

BalefireX · 08-06-2004, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee116

Did you not read the review from [H]? Did you not see the inner design?

I did read the review, I did see the pictures, and if you look, I've been skeptical all along... but I'd rather be a skeptic with facts than one without.
pH raises a good point though, so I guess the issue is dead.

jaydee · 08-07-2004, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BalefireX

I did read the review, I did see the pictures, and if you look, I've been skeptical all along... but I'd rather be a skeptic with facts than one without.
pH raises a good point though, so I guess the issue is dead.

Fact is the design is poor.

It is not a guess.

You just don't want to take my word for it which is fine. Doesn't change the fact though.

This outfit reminds me of the now defunk CPUFX. Top notch machining ability but no concept of block design.

pHaestus · 08-09-2004, 10:21 AM

Not gonna happen it looks like unless you or I pony up the money:

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We have fulfilled our review budget for this quarter. We will put you on the Winter Quarter list. Thanks.

Gene

Tempus · 08-09-2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pHaestus

Not gonna happen it looks like unless you or I pony up the money:

How much of an annual review budget would you need in order to purchase blocks that companies won't send you. I'd be willing to throw a few bucks your way, seeing as I probably save a ton of money not buying crap once I read your look overs.

pHaestus · 08-09-2004, 10:31 AM

It would be preferable to have someone in the US buy them and then send to me as a gift. If I have to buy this wb from PolarFLO then I pay for the wb, pay for international shipping, and then pay for "duty". Figure $100US by the time it's done? How would that work? ALL wbs be purchased retail? That'd be fine but expensive. Only wbs purchased I can't get donated? That is more efficient but could prompt complaints of bias. What do you guys suggest?

BalefireX · 08-09-2004, 11:17 AM

What about asking resellers for a review sample in exchange for a banner/plug on the review?

Tempus · 08-09-2004, 11:24 AM

First off, what bias. Will OEMs complain that the blocks we had to purchase received a poorer score than they should have? Personally, I have more faith in your testing than that.

Honestly, I don't care too much what the rest of "them" think. The only negative is the amount of energy we seem to waste fighting with people who are complaining, but that is an issue we can take care of by simply not fighting. We can always offer to re-test a block if they want to send an additional one.

I favor the cost effective approach, unless enough of us can band together and share the burden - or if we auction off some of the block (I seem to recall that thread. You mentioned you like to keep the blocks incase of test bed changes and retests and the like.) I'd actually rather us buy all of the blocks, since thats what joe-consumer will be buying and therefore is more representative of the actual product - no chance of a ringer being added to the mix.

Personally, I would be very willing to kick in $10/month to help support WB testing. I'm sure there are a few more people out there willing to do the same.

If you need a US connection to resend to ya, then I can help there too.

BillA · 08-09-2004, 11:32 AM

hey, lets just do it - $20 sent
via Paypal acct e-mail: phaestus@procooling.com

Tempus · 08-09-2004, 11:35 AM

Way to lead bill. $20 from me too.

BalefireX · 08-09-2004, 11:46 AM

eh, what the hell, $20

pHaestus · 08-09-2004, 11:51 AM

haha you guys are crazy

Shit it doesn't look like they have a Socket A version?

What now?

BalefireX · 08-09-2004, 11:54 AM

hahaha
typical

Guess it will have to wait for the die sim?

Tempus · 08-09-2004, 11:54 AM

Find a different block that we haven't tested yet and can't seem to get?

Or use it for a the testbed upgrade fund.

BalefireX · 08-09-2004, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempus

Or use it for a the testbed upgrade fund.

sounds like the best idea - checking the other thread it seems that these donations should cover the "Beer" Subsection of items to be purchased.

08-06-2004, 09:40 PM	#28
BalefireX Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Isle of Man Posts: 269	Lets not get drawn into the mistake of making comments without testing to back them up... seen that far too often on other sites... think we could get 12 people to throw in $5 to get one for pH? __________________ If not, why not?

08-06-2004, 10:35 PM	#31
BalefireX Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Isle of Man Posts: 269	AFAIK, nobody here has actually seen one of these in person or done any testing on one - so while we can offer opinions, we can't make definate statements on performance. However, if a dozen people were interested in finding out, and they all sent $5 to pH, he could buy one and test it... maybe then he could even sell/auction it off and get the donator's money back. __________________ If not, why not?

08-06-2004, 10:57 PM	#34
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	At this point they'd claim "sour grapes because we didn't send a block for testing" if I bought one. I would say just let the test data on their website speak for itself __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

08-06-2004, 11:02 PM	#36
RedPhoenix Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 266	Very bad design. Even I know that.. and I havent made any waterblocks. __________________ rawr www.mysoarer.com

08-09-2004, 10:31 AM	#41
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	It would be preferable to have someone in the US buy them and then send to me as a gift. If I have to buy this wb from PolarFLO then I pay for the wb, pay for international shipping, and then pay for "duty". Figure $100US by the time it's done? How would that work? ALL wbs be purchased retail? That'd be fine but expensive. Only wbs purchased I can't get donated? That is more efficient but could prompt complaints of bias. What do you guys suggest? __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

08-06-2004, 08:36 PM	#26
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	The internal design is for shit. That why it dosn't work well. Base is most likely to thick to make use of the middle inlet and thats why it doesn't help much (not to mention no jet). IMO they put zero thought into performance or they simply just don't have a clue how to design a performance block. Would have been pretty easy to make that block perform a lot better and probably easier to mill aswell without compromising the bling bling outer design. But what do I know... Just hope they didn't pay someone for that internal design.

08-06-2004, 09:35 PM	#27
infinity9 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2004 Location: NC Posts: 47	pretty much my thoughts.. they are simply producing what looks like a killer block and the average public looks for everything they have.. apple has had success doing this why not a waterblock company

08-06-2004, 10:30 PM	#30
SysCrusher Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 256	Another block idea that was close but not close enough. Be interesting to see some details about the block to see why it's not close enough or see PH take it for a spin a few times.

08-06-2004, 10:42 PM	#32
infinity9 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2004 Location: NC Posts: 47	honestly i think it would be a waste of money to even test. if they want to send one to ph then we will see the true performance. honestly i think they dont want it revealed. they use alot of smoke and mirrors talking about their block and offer very little data. when you see this with the flashy appearance it generally means they are just trying to design something that looks like it works well. if they were serious about making a top end product dont you think they would want everyone to know?

08-09-2004, 11:17 AM	#42
BalefireX Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Isle of Man Posts: 269	What about asking resellers for a review sample in exchange for a banner/plug on the review? __________________ If not, why not?

08-09-2004, 11:24 AM	#43
Tempus Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 456	First off, what bias. Will OEMs complain that the blocks we had to purchase received a poorer score than they should have? Personally, I have more faith in your testing than that. Honestly, I don't care too much what the rest of "them" think. The only negative is the amount of energy we seem to waste fighting with people who are complaining, but that is an issue we can take care of by simply not fighting. We can always offer to re-test a block if they want to send an additional one. I favor the cost effective approach, unless enough of us can band together and share the burden - or if we auction off some of the block (I seem to recall that thread. You mentioned you like to keep the blocks incase of test bed changes and retests and the like.) I'd actually rather us buy all of the blocks, since thats what joe-consumer will be buying and therefore is more representative of the actual product - no chance of a ringer being added to the mix. Personally, I would be very willing to kick in $10/month to help support WB testing. I'm sure there are a few more people out there willing to do the same. If you need a US connection to resend to ya, then I can help there too. __________________ Thou art God.

08-09-2004, 11:32 AM	#44
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	hey, lets just do it - $20 sent via Paypal acct e-mail: phaestus@procooling.com

08-09-2004, 11:35 AM	#45
Tempus Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 456	Way to lead bill. $20 from me too. __________________ Thou art God.

08-09-2004, 11:46 AM	#46
BalefireX Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Isle of Man Posts: 269	eh, what the hell, $20 __________________ If not, why not?

08-09-2004, 11:51 AM	#47
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	haha you guys are crazy Shit it doesn't look like they have a Socket A version? What now? __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

08-09-2004, 11:54 AM	#48
BalefireX Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Isle of Man Posts: 269	hahaha typical Guess it will have to wait for the die sim? __________________ If not, why not?

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