Hello Again! My rig is done! Comments / Critiques?

[FireCrack]

i'm also 17, but i'm just a lurker, so that doesnt count.

[threeputt]

LOL, he edited his origial post!!! He shouldn't have asked for any comments if he couldn't handle the constructive criticism...

[nikhsub1]

Originally Posted by gazorp

People here are rude and inconsiderate. :shrug:


Thank you to those who replied with nice comments.

If all you wanted were nice comments, perhaps your thread should have been titled; "Look at my system, I only want NICE things to be said about it"

[threeputt]

It's no use... nikhsub1, I saw your reply from ocforums as well. First he posts his plans to build this thing and we give him advices (on both forums). Then he completely ignores our input and wants comments after he finishes (again, on both forums). We give him more comments which are exactly the same thing that we told him to do BEFORE he built this thing. Then he gets all pissed off... We should make up a nickname for people like these Any ideas?

[sn_85]

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

If all you wanted were nice comments, perhaps your thread should have been titled; "Look at my system, I only want NICE things to be said about it"

or maybe "Hello Again! My rig is done! NO Comments / NO Critiques. i cant accept criticism"

[sn_85]

Originally Posted by threeputt

It's no use... nikhsub1, I saw your reply from ocforums as well. First he posts his plans to build this thing and we give him advices (on both forums). Then he completely ignores our input and wants comments after he finishes (again, on both forums). We give him more comments which are exactly the same thing that we told him to do BEFORE he built this thing. Then he gets all pissed off... We should make up a nickname for people like these Any ideas?

the problem is that some members over there are still giving him "nice setup", "great overclock", "cool you have two pumps." thats why he refuses to be open.

[Ruiner]

That's because this is where the big players make the big dollars.

[greenman100]

Originally Posted by sn_85

or maybe "Hello Again! My rig is done! NO Comments / NO Critiques. i cant accept criticism"

I love it.

[gazorp]

Originally Posted by threeputt

It's no use... nikhsub1, I saw your reply from ocforums as well. First he posts his plans to build this thing and we give him advices (on both forums). Then he completely ignores our input and wants comments after he finishes (again, on both forums). We give him more comments which are exactly the same thing that we told him to do BEFORE he built this thing. Then he gets all pissed off... We should make up a nickname for people like these Any ideas?

Um, maybe you cant read, but i did take lots of advice from my first post. But 1 thing i did not change was running my pumps in parallel. It works great and i have no desire to change it. Why fix what's not broke?

[Etacovda]

Why water-cool then? air-cooling works?

Your logic is a bit flawed there, me lad

The point is, it should work BETTER. We dont debate that it works.

[gazorp]

Originally Posted by Etacovda

Why water-cool then? air-cooling works?

Your logic is a bit flawed there, me lad

The point is, it should work BETTER. We dont debate that it works.

It does work better! Much better! And it looks awesome! The pics dont give it justice with the blacklights in the dark, but it is nice! All my buddies say it's the coolest (pun) PC they've ever seen!

I got great OCs on my CPU and my VPU and my temps are sweet! 40-41C on a mobile XP OC'ed to 3.1Ghz at only 1.95 volts is pretty damn sweet from what i've read around here. And after looking around more, i found 401Mhz on a 9700 aint so bad either.

The point is that i don't agree with these narrow minded people who only accept that two pumps must run in series. people on every other forum i posted to replied with more constructive and informative input than anyone here. One of the best things i heard was "if one pump breaks, how is the water going to flow backwards through the Y?" makes sense to me!

I tested it today for shits and giggles. I unplugged pump while the other one ran. Guess what? Water still flowed throgh all my blocks! sounds like a great redundancy plan to me! maybe i do lose pressure or whatever, but when losing a pump, i would kinda expect that to happen. Point is it still ran great with only one pump. I had to underclock my PC down to 2.0 Ghz again, but it worked perfect.

I heard on the other forums that there are some really smart and nice people here, and not to discredit everyone, but i would like to add than none of us know everything. Please, in the future, try to be a little more considerate to others ideas and refrain from insulting peoples newly built systems which they put alot of planning, time, and money into.

Saying something like "your only heating the water" is childish and rude.

I can speak from my experience with my personal setup that pumps in paralell work just as good in terms of performance and redundancy as pumps in series.

Now i hope we can all just be friends.

[greenman100]

Originally Posted by gazorp

I got great OCs on my CPU and my VPU and my temps are sweet! 40-41C on a mobile XP OC'ed to 3.1Ghz at only 1.95 volts is pretty damn sweet from what i've read around here. And after looking around more, i found 401Mhz on a 9700 aint so bad either.

3.1 Prime stable? doubtful

Originally Posted by gazorp

The point is that i don't agree with these narrow minded people who only accept that two pumps must run in series. people on every other forum i posted to replied with more constructive and informative input than anyone here.

I guess by "narrow minded" you mean "with respect for the laws of physics"

Originally Posted by gazorp

I tested it today for shits and giggles. I unplugged pump while the other one ran. Guess what? Water still flowed throgh all my blocks! sounds like a great redundancy plan to me! maybe i do lose pressure or whatever, but when losing a pump, i would kinda expect that to happen. Point is it still ran great with only one pump. I had to underclock my PC down to 2.0 Ghz again, but it worked perfect.

2.0ghz can be done on an AMD stock cooler. So, that's WAY worse than a single CSP750, considering my Via1300 which is very similar to a single CSP750 is has an XP1700 at 2570mhz Prime95 stable. Keep in mind the XP1700 is not nearly as good an OCer as your mobile.

Originally Posted by gazorp

I heard on the other forums that there are some really smart and nice people here, and not to discredit everyone, but i would like to add than none of us know everything. Please, in the future, try to be a little more considerate to others ideas and refrain from insulting peoples newly built systems which they put alot of planning, time, and money into.

I'd like to know where you hear there's nice people here, as many people seem to think otherwise, I'm not sure where you heard about nice people.

Originally Posted by gazorp

Saying something like "your only heating the water" is childish and rude.

just truth. see below about reality

Originally Posted by gazorp

I can speak from my experience with my personal setup that pumps in paralell work just as good in terms of performance and redundancy as pumps in series.

You're saying you've tried the setup both ways, and got the same or better results with the pumps in parallel? HIGHLY doubtful

Originally Posted by gazorp

Now i hope we can all just be friends.

And I hope you can learn to take criticism, especially when you ask for it. When you grow up and get a real job, and don't do somehting right, do you think your boss will pat you on the head and say "good job Johnny, here's a cookie?"

welcome to reality, welcome to procooling.


(home of the big players making big dollars)

[Etacovda]

Dont take this as rude, but -


"I can speak from my experience with my personal setup that pumps in paralell work just as good in terms of performance and redundancy as pumps in series."

Have you TRIED series yet? I dont think you have? So you CANT POSSIBLY speak from experience?

Ok, im going to go out on a limb here - You WILL RECIEVE better temperatures in series. Whether its measurable or not, is up to the accuracy of temperature sensors combined with how big a difference it makes. But, if you're happy with it, thats cool; its not hard to replumb a small section of your loop though, and wouldnt you like that 41 to be 39?

"I heard on the other forums that there are some really smart and nice people here, and not to discredit everyone, but i would like to add than none of us know everything. Please, in the future, try to be a little more considerate to others ideas and refrain from insulting peoples newly built systems which they put alot of planning, time, and money into."

"just heating up the water" wasnt an insult. Its like saying to someone 'you're running your 3200+ with ddr333 ram at 166 fsb, so all you've effectively brought is a 2500+' (yes, that was me, on another forum telling someone to buy ddr400 ram). Its a factual statement saying 'sure, the cpu works, but for it to work efficiently it should be at 200fsb'. Thats EXACTLY what the poster meant when he said that - what you have works, but its not the best way of doing it. To me, if you're gonna take these comments as insults, perhaps you havent been around here long enough, nor looked at these forums long enough to realise what a knowledge base there is. I'm going to suggest that you DIDN'T put as much planning in as you should have because if you did, you'd know that series > parallel in pumping terms. This isnt an insult - i was the same a while ago; finding
good information on the net isn't an easy thing to do. Put it this way -



Theres the flow for the pumps you have, the red is parallel.


The 50Z-DC12

And finally, pH's TDX nozzle review (Remember pH's cpu is only at 1.85v, 2350mhz)

http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...e_tests_-_.php

More pressure = better cooling. Series adds head pressure.

If you're still not convinced, I give up.

Got to it first Gm - i have more tact :P!

[sn_85]

Originally Posted by gazorp

It does work better! Much better! And it looks awesome! The pics dont give it justice with the blacklights in the dark, but it is nice! All my buddies say it's the coolest (pun) PC they've ever seen!

I got great OCs on my CPU and my VPU and my temps are sweet! 40-41C on a mobile XP OC'ed to 3.1Ghz at only 1.95 volts is pretty damn sweet from what i've read around here. And after looking around more, i found 401Mhz on a 9700 aint so bad either.

The point is that i don't agree with these narrow minded people who only accept that two pumps must run in series. people on every other forum i posted to replied with more constructive and informative input than anyone here. One of the best things i heard was "if one pump breaks, how is the water going to flow backwards through the Y?" makes sense to me!

I tested it today for shits and giggles. I unplugged pump while the other one ran. Guess what? Water still flowed throgh all my blocks! sounds like a great redundancy plan to me! maybe i do lose pressure or whatever, but when losing a pump, i would kinda expect that to happen. Point is it still ran great with only one pump. I had to underclock my PC down to 2.0 Ghz again, but it worked perfect.

I heard on the other forums that there are some really smart and nice people here, and not to discredit everyone, but i would like to add than none of us know everything. Please, in the future, try to be a little more considerate to others ideas and refrain from insulting peoples newly built systems which they put alot of planning, time, and money into.

Saying something like "your only heating the water" is childish and rude.

I can speak from my experience with my personal setup that pumps in paralell work just as good in terms of performance and redundancy as pumps in series.

Now i hope we can all just be friends.

ahhahaha, would you just stand back for a moment and listen to what you say. there's a preview post button if necessary. no one gives a damn what color your water is or how cool it looks in the dark. and if you wanna trust those thermaltake sensors and believe in them as as much as you do, then thats your problem. thats not whats up for debate here.

the fact was people around here gave you advice and since you couldnt handle it you went away. deleted your post and call people here rude. rude is asking for something and when you the staright facts, you be a baby thats its not in ur favor. why dont you grow up, its obvious from your post that you need some time in the real world. oh but my friends think im cool. well thats nice but no one cares a/b ur friends or what they think.

and how come when you unplugged one of the pumps why did you underlock it? whats so great a/b redundancy when you dont know if it even works. how do you know that when one pump fails that the system will still work at what you usually set it to? oh gee one pump failed and my comp froze, looks like i gotta underclock this baby. we arent testing the pumps mtbf rating here, but your understanding of redundancy is flawed.

no i dont want to be your friend.

[greenman100]

Originally Posted by Etacovda

Got to it first Gm - i have more tact :P!

tact is for the weak

[rundymc]

of course water will still run through the bloody loop, since both channels on the 'Y' offer restriction- however- the channel with the pump and a small amount of tubing offers extremely less back pressure than that with a block, rad and much more tubing
thus more water will flow through the channel with the pump on it- logical enough for you? if you want evidence, look at the 'underclock' from your original clock result- 2ghz is chicken sh*t since it can be done with a stock cooler
redundancy means one component dying doesn't really matter- naturally subjective of course, so if going down 1ghz is alright then whatever :shrug:
still, I'd recommend you to attempt looping the pumps in series for good experimental measure- if not for the sake of better 'redundancy'

btw, who the HELL told you the ppl here were friendly? either way they give you advice for free, so whether they are nice about it or not, you get what you asked for (and paid for I suppose) so don't be a baby about it, that's the last thing a forum needs

[gazorp]

What a bunch of A-S-S HOLES! You would all have better lives if you smiled and tried being friendly. And do you not think i saw those graphs way before i even chose my pumps? You guys assume you are the only people who read reviews?

I'm keeping my setup the way it is. It works AWESOME, looks sweet, and plays doom 3 better than a stock P4 with a 9800 pro.

And to the wise-cock new-zealand punk. You don't know a damn thing about me, so don't make stupid assumptions like im a kid. And you obviously can't even read a graph because the parallel graph is yellow, not red. I'll bet that's the first time you looked at that, yet i saw it months ago.

Summary:
Etacova = self absorbed ass hole
Sn 85 = Rude ass hole
greenman100 = obnoxious ass hole

why is it these types post the most and ruin it for all?

great place you guys have here. real welcoming, you know?

[nikhsub1]

Look, gazorp, we are trying to give you good advice. There are physics behind the reasoning, we are not telling you you should change it for the sake of argument. There is a very good reason why, but I'm afraid you are so caught up in the 'tone' that you are missing the point. Yes parallel works, but as stated, YOU ARE GETTING NO MORE FLOW WITH 2 IN PARALLEL THAN WITH JUST ONE PUMP. Your loop is restrictive. If you were feeding a fish tank with no restrictions, parallel would be the way to go. For what YOU are doing, series is much better. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You keep coming back here saying how everyone is rude, but you don't listen man. This is NOT the forum to come to to show off your rig when the members here know that it is not set up ideal. Go to [H] and have those guys tell you how great it is, it seems that's all you want.

We have no idea how old you are, and it doesn't matter but by the way you act and respond makes you seem like you are very immature. I just don't see how TRYING your pumps in series is going to kill you? It's not a bloody root canal. Either take the advice, or move on. But stop acting like a total dork.

[greenman100]

Originally Posted by gazorp

why is it these types post the most and ruin it for all?

great place you guys have here. real welcoming, you know?

I wondered the same when I came here. I wondered if I'd make it. It's been 3 months now, and I don't know how well I fit in, but I am working on it.

In retrospect, the reason ProCooling remains such a source for knowledgeable people is that the people that get pissed off at critisism like yourself get fed up and leave, while the open minded logical less emotional thicker skinned people stick around, learn, and then begin to contribute.

I just spent over an hour writing an article about watercooling myths, at NO personal gain, only to have Cathar and others critisize it. And you know what? The article is better now than it used to be, and I am thankful for their critisism, they improved the article.

Maybe a bit of a self-confidence issue you should work on?

[greenman100]

Originally Posted by gazorp

And you obviously can't even read a graph because the parallel graph is yellow, not red. I'll bet that's the first time you looked at that, yet i saw it months ago.

GUYS I THINK I FIGURED HIM OUT!

he thinks flow is the only consideration

he has no consideration for pressure drop / pumping head pressure


::scurries off to add another myth to the list::

[nikhsub1]

Originally Posted by greenman100

GUYS I THINK I FIGURED HIM OUT!

he thinks flow is the only consideration

he has no consideration for pressure drop / pumping head pressure


::scurries off to add another myth to the list::

Duh? lol. How many times can we tell him the same thing?

[Etacovda]

"And to the wise-cock new-zealand punk. You don't know a damn thing about me, so don't make stupid assumptions like im a kid. And you obviously can't even read a graph because the parallel graph is yellow, not red. I'll bet that's the first time you looked at that, yet i saw it months ago."

I knew having the location displayed instead of posts would amount to this. Nicely done, gazorp, you've just succeeded in looking like a bigot. CONGRATS! I actually tried pretty hard to not be directly insulting - I think that you actually look worse; what did you expect, 'oh well done, you poured heaps of money into something and got it WRONG, but NICE TRY IT LOOKS PRETTY!'

In case you didnt notice, this aint a modding based forum.

I actually didnt think my post was that harsh, but this guy CANNOT take critisism.

HEAD > FLOW.

Look at the graphs i posted. Note the headpressure vs flow rates. Note that the 800lph eheim is worse than the 50z-DC12 in the TDX nozzle tests. Note that the flow rates, however, are similar on paper. Note that the flow rate, however, is 30% greater in most cases. You know why? More head pressure.

I'll probably not bother posting in this thread again, unless you feel the need to directly insult me or my country again.

[rundymc]

Originally Posted by gazorp

What a bunch of A-S-S HOLES! You would all have better lives if you smiled and tried being friendly. And do you not think i saw those graphs way before i even chose my pumps? You guys assume you are the only people who read reviews?

I'm keeping my setup the way it is. It works AWESOME, looks sweet, and plays doom 3 better than a stock P4 with a 9800 pro.

And to the wise-cock new-zealand punk. You don't know a damn thing about me, so don't make stupid assumptions like im a kid. And you obviously can't even read a graph because the parallel graph is yellow, not red. I'll bet that's the first time you looked at that, yet i saw it months ago.

precisely our point- yellow is parallel, red is series - figure the rest out yourself, since obviously you won't let anyone help you (without being nice and giving you candy)

[greenman100]

Originally Posted by nikhsub1

Duh? lol. How many times can we tell him the same thing?

hm I am just slow

[djskinnyb]

Posting for a couple reasons:

First Redundancy
(Feel free to give constructive criticism because this is just a thought I had.)

Isn't a truly redundant watercooling system one that is designed around (and overclocked) on a single pump, and then a second pump is added to that loop?
It seems to me that any arguing about redundancy in any other setup is a secondary side effect that could still result in component failure or instability when a pump fails anyway.

Second

I read this in one of gazorp's posts earlier:

Originally Posted by gazorp

I heard on the other forums that there are some really smart and nice people here, and not to discredit everyone, but i would like to add than none of us know everything. Please, in the future, try to be a little more considerate to others ideas and refrain from insulting peoples newly built systems which they put alot of planning, time, and money into.

Saying something like "your only heating the water" is childish and rude.

What is not childish and rude about these posts of yours?

Originally Posted by gazorp

What you said is just silly!

Originally Posted by gazorp

Finally, most of you have really shitty attitudes and are being ass holes. There are plenty of *better* forums on the net that don't degrade people with every comment. I came looking for some comments and suggestions, and when the first load of comments comes in and it's nothing more than 15 yr old BS comments like "you're just heating your water" that's totally lame.

You guys can keep your tight ass comments to yourself or keep spewing constant criticism. do whatever,

I WONT BE BACK!

Originally Posted by gazorp

Um, maybe you cant read

Originally Posted by gazorp

What a bunch of A-S-S HOLES! You would all have better lives if you smiled and tried being friendly. And do you not think i saw those graphs way before i even chose my pumps? You guys assume you are the only people who read reviews?

Originally Posted by gazorp

And to the wise-cock new-zealand punk. You don't know a damn thing about me, so don't make stupid assumptions like im a kid. And you obviously can't even read a graph because the parallel graph is yellow, not red. I'll bet that's the first time you looked at that, yet i saw it months ago.

Summary:
Etacova = self absorbed ass hole
Sn 85 = Rude ass hole
greenman100 = obnoxious ass hole

I definately agree with the following comment. I think it applies more to people who ask for constructive criticism in a thread and then get hostile and defensive when they hear something that they don't like.

Originally Posted by gazorp

why is it these types post the most and ruin it for all?

The funny thing is the strongest comments against gazorp have called him immature or a baby, SN_85 in particular doesn't wan't to be his friend , and these two quotes from etacovda and greenman100 respectively...

Originally Posted by etacovda

I knew having the location displayed instead of posts would amount to this. Nicely done, gazorp, you've just succeeded in looking like a bigot. CONGRATS! I actually tried pretty hard to not be directly insulting - I think that you actually look worse; what did you expect, 'oh well done, you poured heaps of money into something and got it WRONG, but NICE TRY IT LOOKS PRETTY!'

In case you didnt notice, this aint a modding based forum.

I actually didnt think my post was that harsh, but this guy CANNOT take critisism.

Originally Posted by greenman100

And I hope you can learn to take criticism, especially when you ask for it. When you grow up and get a real job, and don't do somehting right, do you think your boss will pat you on the head and say "good job Johnny, here's a cookie?"

welcome to reality, welcome to procooling.

And the strongest comment of all by redleader:

Originally Posted by redleader

Wow. Anyway better to have a shitty attitude then be a shitty person, so I guess no real loss.

Cut it out...You guys are just too darn mean.