Small Radiator for SFF case - Page 2

pauldenton · 12-06-2004, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpleDiamond

Thanks for your input everybody.

I think that if I move things around I can fit something like a Black Ice Pro in there.
I am trying to keep the project cost down and I want to know what you think of the Rio 180 pump? I have read that it could be converted to an inline pump and the size is just right. Can I place it right next to the hard drive or do I need some EMI shield?

iirc EMI from a pump is a risk to your monitor, not a HDD (you'd need a magnet as powerful as the ones in a scrapyard to affect them..)

eheim compacts can be modded for inline use and are cheap, small and reliable..... how small do you need?

Cranky · 12-06-2004, 09:48 AM

tbh rio's are pretty loud....at least from my experience from having 2 of them before...

PurpleDiamond · 12-07-2004, 10:45 AM

Now that I am going to use a larger rad I need to take new measurements in order to determine how large I can go. Do you know where I can find some info on converting an Eheim compact to an inline pump?

I hope I can squeeze a 600 in there, I would like something that has at least 2 ft head.

Ruiner · 12-07-2004, 10:56 AM

What about the new DDC?

MadHacker · 12-07-2004, 11:16 AM

Just to give you an idea of what you can fit into a 15" pc
MCP600 pump
Black Ice Extreme Rev2 with 2x120mm Evercool fans in Push Pull Config
Black Ice Micro2 with 2x80mm Evercool fans in Push Pull Config
HardDrive Water Block will hold 2 3.5" Hardrives
WhiteWater and DD-Z-Chip
pictures here

psychofunk · 12-07-2004, 12:34 PM

ditch that 92, replace with a 120 sitting on a BIP as for pump this would be perfect for the DDC which you could mount below the HHD cage. Filling and bleeding will be a pita and you would have to take the CD to service things but your cooling would such that you could even oc a bit. BTW great work.

DeadEye · 12-07-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleDiamond

I have built a custom SFF case for a HTPC and discovered that air cooling was way too noisy. As a result I have decided that it is time for me to finally build a watercooled system.
If possible I want to keep the cost down.
But it has to small.
Really small...

Hi m8, firstly the best place for more specific help will be from
Sudhian Forums which hundreds of users have WC in their Shuttles and other SFF's.

As someone else said, get a new Mobile Athlon CPU, they are not multiplier locked which allows them to be under-clocked to reduce temperatures even further. But these run a lot cooler, typically mine is 10C less than my TBIRD 1.3 was, even at 2.2Ghz.
Watercooling is not a simple quiet install, and because of the limitation of rad size then fan noise is often worse than air-cooling because of the greater restrictions of airflow than to a conventional HSF.
Finally try and discover the sources of the noise, often vibration of fans and drives will be more noticable in an SFF, so consider mounting fans and drives on anti-vibration mounts.

pauldenton · 12-07-2004, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpleDiamond

Now that I am going to use a larger rad I need to take new measurements in order to determine how large I can go. Do you know where I can find some info on converting an Eheim compact to an inline pump?

this thread is what alerted me to the possibility...
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...hlight=compact
there's a german article here
http://www.pc-max.de/forum/portal.ph...d=17097&page=0

PurpleDiamond · 12-07-2004, 08:31 PM

Thanks for all the links - a big round of applause to everyone at Pro/Cooling!!!

Ruiner: I am aware of the DDC pump but I have a very tight budget.
DeadEye: A new CPU

- again I would love one, but

no money...
psychofunk: I think I can actually squeeze in a res (have to take a few measurements to be sure).

I am saving my money for an upgrade of my main rig - I have a PIII 1.2GHz, and I am saving for an A64 3500, Nforce4 mobo, 1 GB RAM, 6800GT, DVD burner and a 500W PSU. So all other projects get very little funding and the HTPC has already cost more than I planned to spend.

PurpleDiamond · 12-08-2004, 11:46 AM

I took some measurements and I can't have both - either a 120mm rad or a eheim compact 600 - no room for both. But while reading another thread I came up with the idea of using a motorcycle oil cooler. Do you think I can find one that is about the size of a 92mm fan? Where would I start to look for one - I do not know much about motorcycles.

Etacovda · 12-08-2004, 01:18 PM

never mind

superart · 12-08-2004, 03:02 PM

an oil cooler is just like a heatercore.
no?

Etacovda · 12-08-2004, 05:23 PM

woop, didnt read properly - disregard

PurpleDiamond · 12-10-2004, 02:03 PM

I think I found room for the pump - I started ordering the parts today!
Time to go to home depot and look at some barbs, I need to figure out how I'm going to do the plumbing.

superart · 12-10-2004, 03:01 PM

If you have the ability, you should ream your barbs out when you get them.

Just adds that little bit more ID.

PurpleDiamond · 12-10-2004, 03:21 PM

Thanks, good point.

12-07-2004, 11:16 AM	#30
MadHacker Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Okotoks, A.B. Canada Posts: 726	Just to give you an idea of what you can fit into a 15" pc MCP600 pump Black Ice Extreme Rev2 with 2x120mm Evercool fans in Push Pull Config Black Ice Micro2 with 2x80mm Evercool fans in Push Pull Config HardDrive Water Block will hold 2 3.5" Hardrives WhiteWater and DD-Z-Chip pictures here __________________ "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - (Einstein)

12-08-2004, 01:18 PM	#36
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	never mind __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights. Last edited by Etacovda; 12-08-2004 at 05:23 PM.

12-08-2004, 03:02 PM	#37
superart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: FL Posts: 787	an oil cooler is just like a heatercore. no? __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure youv'e done anything at all. Looking to buy/trade for used Deep Fryer and Vacume Pack Sealer.

12-08-2004, 05:23 PM	#38
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	woop, didnt read properly - disregard __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

12-10-2004, 03:01 PM	#40
superart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: FL Posts: 787	If you have the ability, you should ream your barbs out when you get them. Just adds that little bit more ID. __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure youv'e done anything at all. Looking to buy/trade for used Deep Fryer and Vacume Pack Sealer.

12-06-2004, 09:48 AM	#27
Cranky Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: texas Posts: 92	tbh rio's are pretty loud....at least from my experience from having 2 of them before...

12-07-2004, 10:45 AM	#28
PurpleDiamond Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Hartford, CT Posts: 19	Now that I am going to use a larger rad I need to take new measurements in order to determine how large I can go. Do you know where I can find some info on converting an Eheim compact to an inline pump? I hope I can squeeze a 600 in there, I would like something that has at least 2 ft head.

12-07-2004, 10:56 AM	#29
Ruiner Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Smyrna, FL Posts: 258	What about the new DDC?

12-07-2004, 12:34 PM	#31
psychofunk Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 365	ditch that 92, replace with a 120 sitting on a BIP as for pump this would be perfect for the DDC which you could mount below the HHD cage. Filling and bleeding will be a pita and you would have to take the CD to service things but your cooling would such that you could even oc a bit. BTW great work.

12-07-2004, 08:31 PM	#34
PurpleDiamond Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Hartford, CT Posts: 19	Thanks for all the links - a big round of applause to everyone at Pro/Cooling!!! Ruiner: I am aware of the DDC pump but I have a very tight budget. DeadEye: A new CPU - again I would love one, but no money... psychofunk: I think I can actually squeeze in a res (have to take a few measurements to be sure). I am saving my money for an upgrade of my main rig - I have a PIII 1.2GHz, and I am saving for an A64 3500, Nforce4 mobo, 1 GB RAM, 6800GT, DVD burner and a 500W PSU. So all other projects get very little funding and the HTPC has already cost more than I planned to spend.

12-08-2004, 11:46 AM	#35
PurpleDiamond Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Hartford, CT Posts: 19	I took some measurements and I can't have both - either a 120mm rad or a eheim compact 600 - no room for both. But while reading another thread I came up with the idea of using a motorcycle oil cooler. Do you think I can find one that is about the size of a 92mm fan? Where would I start to look for one - I do not know much about motorcycles.

12-10-2004, 02:03 PM	#39
PurpleDiamond Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Hartford, CT Posts: 19	I think I found room for the pump - I started ordering the parts today! Time to go to home depot and look at some barbs, I need to figure out how I'm going to do the plumbing.

12-10-2004, 03:21 PM	#41
PurpleDiamond Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Hartford, CT Posts: 19	Thanks, good point.

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