DDC reviewed

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by unregistered

eh ?
how in the effing hell am I being dragged into this ?
WTF ?
I'm one of the mucky-mucks running this show ?

jeez, come to the party
ya poke around kicking the dogs and then whine when you are bitten
go watch tv

Reason and logic isn't their strong point.

[Etacovda]

damn, i meant for him to drag those up, not for everyone to jump on threads from 6mths ago (sounds like jmke)

must remember where i am whilst posting, I probably should have expected this

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Etacovda

damn, i meant for him to drag those up, not for everyone to jump on threads from 6mths ago (sounds like jmke)

must remember where i am whilst posting, I probably should have expected this

Why not? Worth posting 6 months ago and worth posting now!

[bozo]

they must however remember, that the professionals here were not such in the past. however ppl here took to feedback in whatever form rude or polite, and thus became what they are.
i mean like, this is so unprofessional for them. if you cant write a good review, READ AND LEARN instead of trying to defend your actions. eventually you will get to the stage of a high end reviewer.

and the whiteout thing? its really childish. depriving yourself of potential viewers, thus reducing ad payout just because of a childish feud.

[bozo]

upon reading the review i would like to quote certain parts of it for fellow procooling users which i find odd.

.. under the cooling prowess of the TDX..

Danger Den has certainly spec'd a winner in the LAING sourced Delphi DDC-12V DC-pump.

Stay tuned for my Danger Den NV-68 nVidia 6800 graphics card cooler review, coming to a hardware-[M]-site near you. Rated PG (Pretty (darn) Good). Check out the NV-68

The DDC-12V is just $74.95 at the Danger Den Store and is highly recommended. Most definitely a keeper!

Danger Den has come up with a novel approach to the tried and true isolation cup design

all this from the madshrimps review. this sorely amuses me

[pHaestus]

I have tried to be nice with those guys before. We were told that we just weren't smart enough to understand all the big words. I was accused of making up results by them.

What it comes down to is that liquid3d and jmke are world class trolls. I don't bother trying to read their site, respond to fallacies they spew, or complain about their product shilling. I don't see why people continue to quote their bullshit here anyway. They banned the Proforums from linking to their site because some comments were made about the quality of a review. Soak that in Proforums readers: they BANNED you from reading their site if it's linked from here. They aren't interested in the proper way to test, they aren't interested in learning from mistakes, they aren't interested in discourse. They are interested in getting free shit and trolling our site to generatehits to their verbose and technically inept reviews. **** them. I redirected their site to 127.0.0.1 and never looked back. You might want to do the same.

[KnightElite]

Lol, so they get the treatment once reserved for HardOCP alone?

[pHaestus]

I removed the hardocp front page from my hosts file a fairly long time ago. I see some good articles linked from there from time to time. I still have their forums on restriction (but I am banned from there so why would I read them anyway)

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by bozo

they must however remember, that the professionals here were not such in the past. however ppl here took to feedback in whatever form rude or polite, and thus became what they are.
i mean like, this is so unprofessional for them. if you cant write a good review, READ AND LEARN instead of trying to defend your actions. eventually you will get to the stage of a high end reviewer.

and the whiteout thing? its really childish. depriving yourself of potential viewers, thus reducing ad payout just because of a childish feud.

What I find humorous is JMKE thinks the redirect is somehow a punishment for ProCooling readers when in fact he is doing them a favor for not having to read their shit. Glad I helped!

[BillA]

who is JMKE ?
why not let the whole thing slid into oblivion ?

[9mmCensor]

From Liquid3D
***
Keith Suppe (Liquid3D) to me, Dano, jmke
Show options 5:09am (9 hours ago)

I have already taken your concerns into consideration. I apologize for
implying there was a nefarious motive behind your letter to DD, if in fact
there was none. I hope you were able to see in my original attached email to
DD, I never intended on using the TDX because I thought the NexXxos would
have been a better choice. That should have been suffcient to prove my true
motivation based on the fact it was sent before I'd even powered up the
pump. To be honest I was wrong, because NexXxos isn't a block which requires
as much head-feet as the LAING pump offers. I was unaware of the head-feet
of the DDC when I'd written DD originally, otherwise NeXXxos wouldn't have
been considered. Pertaining to TDX impingment properties, "isolated cup"
designs are better served by higher pressure pumps (in my opinion). I did
try to exlplain in the review the absence of a water-pressure gauge was my
failure as a reviewer, and therefore reviewing a pump was made doubly
difficult. I will have a water-pressure gauge soon, along with a
professionally made simulated die, and other sorely needed test equipment if
your truly concerned.

I so far as ProCooling I've actually learned from their criticims, even
though they derived from an unhealthy place, disgiused as constructive. It's
not that I believe ProCooling to be lacking in their methodology, only that
a site which consider's itself a "leader" in watercooling-tests should act
as such. I've found their slanderous Forum attacks to be misleading in their
true motivations. Because of their personal attacks which had nothing to do
with wanting to improve the state of watercooling testing, I thought such
bias may have effected their reviews since at one time the Cascade
continually dominated their charts. Stating that, had me loose my position
at Extreme Resources, however; that was no great loss given they folded
after knowing me for two years. The issue is simple, having an employee from
Swiftech (Bill A), the Designer of Cascade (Stew F.), and a ProCooling
reviewer (Derek), consistantly commiserating in their forums does more
damage to that site then they know. It's a violation of the oldest unwritten
rule where public forums and manufacturer's are concerned. Professionals
remain absent from public forus for so many obvious reasons. There are
manufacturer specific sections in forums for this, and even then there's
boundries. ProCooling has argued aginst me it brings experience to the site.
This is an insult to the intelligent PC-enthusiats's many of whom have more
knowledge then their pofessional counterparts. After all, wasn't Stew once
just a PC-Enthusiast with an idea, and access to a machine shop? Wasn't Bill
A once a PC-Enthusiast? Do you honestly belaive Bill A recaived a PhD in
"Watercooling" or that most of his experience derived from experimentation?
They don't offer courses in watercooling in EE programs. Phaestus doesn't
have formal training in thermodynamics so his maintaining he's on the same
level is just silly. Anyone can claim to have a PhD, that doesn't mean
they're well trained, or even intelligent. I'm sure you've seen this much in
life. For example, ever meet a doctor or lawyer who was an idiot?

The best scientists, writer's, and philosopher's knew themselves first. They
all began with a thirst for knowledge, a willingness to ask questions, and
took the risk to postulate theroies which may have been unpopular. Later in
life they truly became great once they exorcised such petty character
defects as false pride, and/or a superiority complex. To put it simply, if
your less of a nasty-little-cuss, your going to attract more humility and
make the world a better place. I don't hate the ProCooling inner circle, I
dislike character traits they seem to encourage among each other.

By the way, if your intending to post this letter in the Forums, please post
it in it's entirety.

Sincerely Keith (Liquid3D) Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays.
***

[BillA]

let us hope his hobbies expand into a different area
I suppose he will learn something over time, most do

"The issue is simple, having an employee from Swiftech (Bill A), the Designer of Cascade (Stew F.), and a ProCooling reviewer (Derek), consistantly commiserating in their forums does more damage to that site then they know."

statements like this mark him as an absolute idiot however,
those 3 are probably the staff of life for this forum

hi ho

[Etacovda]

I hope he was talking about another block (other than the HP or XP) nexXxos - Its pretty evident that its the block that has more benefit (over the tdx) from high pressure...

Unless ive missed something blatently obvious whilst reading here

[pHaestus]

Phaestus doesn't have formal training in thermodynamics so his maintaining he's on the same level is just silly. Anyone can claim to have a PhD, that doesn't mean
they're well trained, or even intelligent.

LOL. Is he questioning whether I have a Ph.D now? Here's my dissertation in print; use InterLibrary Loan or purchase it if you're still skeptical. As far as formal training in thermodynamics goes, doesn't Physical chemistry and environmental engineering coursework count for that? Spend the $10 to get an official copy of my transcript and please stfu.

//edit found a better link to dissertation; DelCAT seemed flakey

[pHaestus]

It's true that a Ph.D is more a measure of persistence than raw intellectual power. But I would also argue that finding stupid people with Ph.Ds in the field of physical science would be a curiousity rather than the norm.

[BillA]

PB - read with more diligence
"Anyone can claim to have a PhD, that doesn't mean they're well trained, or even intelligent."

so DO understand that the training and intelligence referred to apply to those making a claim to having a PhD

indeed, the PhD is the process by which intelligent people are trained (the carrot for jumping through the hoops)
I did note there was no assertion that stupid people get PhDs
(except in the Social Sciences (sic))

listen, this twit is going to pan intelligence, education, logic, and reason - 'cause he ain't got any of 'em
and his natural audience is all those dumber than him, brilliance is relative

[Cathar]

My objection is this. The guy makes personal judgement calls for/against various waterblock designs that are in total contrast to established measured reality. This is what is commonly referred to as "trolling". The reasons for which were already established dating back to some time where he had asked for a free waterblock to review for which I had misplaced that email and set him off on his attack tangent, most of which the content has been subsequently edited out of his reviews.

So of course this draws the expected cries of injustice from myself, and others who chose to voice their concerns, and in return I get attacked for being arrogant and elitist in earlier posts (which have since been edited), but whose content ran pretty much like that above.

I'm sorry if I don't understand why I should then be told by the same person that I should now feel humbled for having exposed a flaw in my character by responding to an attack on my work.

It makes no sense at all. Then the guy attempts to defend his actions by saying that we are all biased and have some other motivations. This is patently ridiculous. If the guy hasn't even seen the waterblock he's commenting on, let alone measured it, how can he then make claims such as which pumps are required for certain designs?

This is a total farce. The guy has been caught out fabricating opinions and attempting to pass them off as fact, and then turns around and attempts to attack those who call him on his fantasies, and attempt to drag them down to below his level by claiming that we're all stupid and motivated by other reasons.

The line of reasoning through that bizarre set of logic would be laughable if the guy wasn't serious. Instead it's just utterly sad how deluded his perception of reality is.

[pHaestus]

I never did get served with any papers from that lawsuit either come to think of it.