WEI HI-END Pure Copper 1/2" Water-Block, test with STORM G4!! - Page 2

Ls7corvete · 07-31-2005, 07:58 PM

where can these be bought? I am not familiar with this manufacturer.

Long Haired Git · 07-31-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by killernoodle

Lol, I just love it when people take pics of their monitor. How can a computer enthusiast exist without knowing the many uses of the print screen button?

Actually, some people find screen captures are more prone to scepticism as their modification in Photoshop is somewhat less time consuming than a camera-shot of a screen.

jaydee · 07-31-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ls7corvete

where can these be bought? I am not familiar with this manufacturer.

No where at the moment it seems. Read a few posts back and you will see he only has a couple blocks.

Ls7corvete · 07-31-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

No where at the moment it seems. Read a few posts back and you will see he only has a couple blocks.

Thats what I though but people keep refering to him as a manufacturer.

Thanks.

Cathar · 07-31-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ls7corvete

Thats what I though but people keep refering to him as a manufacturer.

From original thread at OCAU:

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Originally Posted by imbabawu @ OCAU

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In short,the WEI is suitable for most kinds of pump, the G4 is only for those high performance pump, but compare to G4's $129.00 AU dollars price, the WEI is much more reasonable, $80.00 each. (price might change, because we havent estimated the cost clearly, but this IS the MAXIMUN price!!)

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Originally Posted by imbabawu @ OCAU

and i said the cost of production is expensive, not the price, so i forgot to post the price as well

imbabawu · 08-01-2005, 02:06 AM

firstly, the red wire coming out from under the waterblock is because Swiftech Storm's huge base, so detoured it, but the sensor is at the same position.

Secondly, these two blocks' mounting are almost the same, but the WEI is a little bit higher than storm, so i didn't put the washers in WEI. I just used two springs/bolts at the diagonal position, because that was enough to fasten the blocks.

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(all tempratures are monitored by Aerocool Gatewatch not software)

the data are obtained from the Gatewatch, not the software, the speedfan pics show the trend, and i did the test 3 time, the pics were obtained from the first test, for that one the water temprature was 16 something like that, and the ambient tempratureincreased 2 or 3 C after i finished storm. so i did test 2 and 3.

once again, i dont really want to argue my test, whatever how i explain, u still doubt it. i just want someone can help to organize a test. i am looking forward to http://www.systemcooling.com/, can someone tell me something abot them?

imbabawu · 08-01-2005, 02:54 AM

right now i havent ready to sell it, as i told to some of u, our productivity is very low, now we just make some blocks for our friends and old customers, and this proprobably is our last version, we dont suggest people send another $100 to get 1 or 0.5 better performance, we ar now looking for something else, because even u get a perfect block, it still depends on the air and water temprature, right? now we have the Phase Change and Dry Ice & Liquid Nitrogen product as well, but they are only for some hi end player.
Fortunately we finaly find a kit which is suit to all level of player, low cost, low energy consumption， high performance
http://bbs.gzeasy.com/uploads/post-3...0151_thumb.jpg

whole kit is AU $450(block, tube, pump, and the icewater machine)
but not for sale yet as well

ricecrispi · 08-01-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

right now i havent ready to sell it, as i told to some of u, our productivity is very low, now we just make some blocks for our friends and old customers, and this proprobably is our last version, we dont suggest people send another $100 to get 1 or 0.5 better performance, we ar now looking for something else, because even u get a perfect block, it still depends on the air and water temprature, right? now we have the Phase Change and Dry Ice & Liquid Nitrogen product as well, but they are only for some hi end player.
Fortunately we finaly find a kit which is suit to all level of player, low cost, low energy consumption， high performance
http://bbs.gzeasy.com/uploads/post-3...0151_thumb.jpg

whole kit is AU $450(block, tube, pump, and the icewater machine)
but not for sale yet as well

You guys see a pattern here? Really sounds like you are trying to promote yourself commercially. We seen this type of behavior before......

He's trying to see if anyone bites on his promotions. Lets wait for thee test to happen first.

Go contact or PM Jaydee of pH. IF your block is good as you claim you might establish come credibilty. Right now that is good as OJ Simpson.

BRiT · 08-01-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

I just used two springs/bolts at the diagonal position, because that was enough to fasten the blocks.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't feel safe/secure in buying ANYTHING from a manufacturer who's this stupid...

GlassMan · 08-02-2005, 03:46 PM

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before u say this, read the test first

Your graph clearly shows your delta T continuing to rise. This indicates the block has not yet reach equalibrium temperature (under the rather bizarre conditions the test was run under, 30 litres of sub ambiant water,why bother with a radiator, it just added heat to the loop), and delta T will continue to rise until it does. The fact that the test was cut off just as the lines were about to cross is either intentional or was a result of the laziness demontrated in the rest of the test.

Fantaz · 08-02-2005, 04:21 PM

imbabawu, can you take orders from Canada? I may be interested in purchasing your block for testing purposes.

imbabawu · 08-02-2005, 07:38 PM

this test contains 2 parts, the second part burnt the pc about 30-40 minutes, puls the first test, it was about 50 minutes.

i just have 2 blocks, one for me and one for a test, so not for sale yet, sry`~~~~ and i dont know what is safe/secure in smart BRiT's mind lol

BRiT · 08-02-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

~~~~ and i dont know what is safe/secure in smart BRiT's mind lol

I mean the following...

If a manufacturer is too lazy to properly mount a water block I don't want to buy any item from them. If they cut corners there, what else are they cutting corners on? If it wasn't a case of being too lazy, then it's a case of being too stupid. If they don't know the effects of not having the block properly mounted, then there are many other things they also don't know.

In either case, I do not want to buy a product from a place that's lazy or stupid ... or worse yet, lazy and stupid. I will not risk my equipment to that. I'm sure no one else would either.

imbabawu · 08-02-2005, 09:45 PM

i am lazy, but 2 springs/bolts are enogh too fix the block on the MB for a one hour test, and there are some socket just use 2, such as AMD. basically, watercooling is a dangerous solution for cooling nobody force u to buy it, it is ur choice. i was lazy in my test, but better than someone lazy in the production, how many blocks are worth their price? ask urself if u have some sense in the productin.

jman1310 · 08-02-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

i am lazy, but 2 springs/bolts are enogh too fix the block on the MB for a one hour test, and there are some socket just use 2, such as AMD. basically, watercooling is a dangerous solution for cooling nobody force u to buy it, it is ur choice. i was lazy in my test, but better than someone lazy in the production, how many blocks are worth their price? ask urself if u have some sense in the productin.

you're not being lazy by not using all 4 bolts, you're being stupid
to get the required force specified by Swiftech for mounting, all 4 springs need to be used
by using only 2 you have applied less than half the necessary force and/or likely torqued the mounting in a way it wasn't designed for

you are on your own with your own block. mount it any way you want, but don't compare it to something that's not mounted to the manufacture's spec

jaydee · 08-02-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

i am lazy, but 2 springs/bolts are enogh too fix the block on the MB for a one hour test, and there are some socket just use 2, such as AMD. basically, watercooling is a dangerous solution for cooling nobody force u to buy it, it is ur choice. i was lazy in my test, but better than someone lazy in the production, how many blocks are worth their price? ask urself if u have some sense in the productin.

Not a good answer. There are 4 mounting holes for a reason. Anytime you mount corner to corner you should use 4 bolts. If you mount in the center of the block you only need 2 bolts. I spent a week testing this very subject just to prove the engineering behind it. My die simulator has a thermometer that has the resolution to pick up variations in mounting pressures AS I apply the load. It is pretty cool, keeps me entertained for hours! But anyway you have to use the 4 bolts on blocks designed for corner to corner mounting. It is the only way to keep the block leveled properly and to apply proper uniform pressure. Especially with CPU's with IHS's. Different blocks will react differently to only using 2 bolts on a 4 bolt pattern. That is another reason why you mount the block at least 6 times aswell.

Your better off taking your beating here and listening to what your being told here. You have what looks like a nice block from the pics. Just get it tested right and you will not have to go through this grilling. I am not at all sure why you even bothered testing it yourself being your not even prepared to manufacture and sell the block yet.

But anyway, hang in there and keep working on it.

Belenar · 08-03-2005, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

i just have 2 blocks right now, these two ar not for sale, one is for me and another one i still want to keep it for pHaestus's test if he can do it

Yeah right:

Etacovda · 08-03-2005, 05:59 AM

lol

you're not doing well so far mate, you're incompetent AND a liar...

bobkoure · 08-03-2005, 07:34 AM

Just as a side issue, why forgo an over-the-die inlet unless being able to put pressure directly above it is important to your mounting system?

(Like the Innovatek Rev 3, for instance - see how clamping pressure is applied through a single point directly above the die?)

All very academic at this point, anyway, as Belenar seems to have caught you dead to rights. Aren't you just a bit embarrassed? Hint: Apologize and if you want anything other than negative comments here send a block off to someone willing and able (both equipment and time) to test it. You're not getting responses from pHaestus as he's been very busy (so he has the equipment but not the time).
Fantaz has offered to actually buy a block - dunno if Fantaz has the equipment, but it sounds as though the time and willingness are there.

Also - I'm guessing you've gotten these blocks from mainland China (?) In the early 80's I had some dealings with a man from the PRC who had factory "connections". At the time they were making knock-off copies of athletic shoes (and BTW also trying to figure out what else they could produce with the excess capacity they had). They were very good copies, including how they performed when on your feet (he gave me a couple of pairs to try). Check out what percentage of athletic shoes come from the PRC now.
I've seen the same thing happen with industrial fasteners.
Maybe watercooling has gotten enough mainstream that PRC factories are at least thinking of producing wbs with excess capacity?
All supposition, of course. Don't quote any of this as fact (except the shoes and fasteners history

)

JamesAvery22 · 08-03-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Etacovda

lol

you're not doing well so far mate, you're incompetent AND a liar...

Lol geez I think some of this beating is uncalled for. He said he only has 2 right now. Maybe he sold the others... but yeah I thought of that pic as soon as I read that too

Etacovda · 08-03-2005, 08:48 AM

hey, i just call it as i see it, perhaps its a bit harsh. Obviously i say what others are thinking, so its not a terrible thing

seems to be digging himself a rather large hole, thats all.

imbabawu · 08-03-2005, 09:03 AM

may be the best answer is to do it again
so i just did once more

http://storage.msn.com/x1pgliP38XxBL...xT-TmrbiU_r76Q
http://storage.msn.com/x1pgliP38XxBL...3gG7nP_ZBcpPwA
seems to be the same rsult

jaydee, if u still interested in testing the block, i can give u the one i keep for pHaestus, may be he is too busy to do the test, but the thing is how many people will accept your test

and one more thing is what makes u guys so difficult to accept this block's performance? without my test, can u purely give me some ideas about this block technically?

JamesAvery22 · 08-03-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

may be the best answer is to do it again
so i just did once more
...
without my test, can u purely give me some ideas about this block technically?

I am not testing expert as I've never conducted any formal tests of any water blocks. My opinion is just based off of all the points being raised throughout this thread. I don't think the best answer is to run your same tests again. I think the best answer is to learn how to do a propper test...

And how can we comment on the technical design of the block if you give little to no info on its design? All I saw was a pin count. Past that 0 on the internals...

imbabawu · 08-03-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesAvery22

I am not testing expert as I've never conducted any formal tests of any water blocks. My opinion is just based off of all the points being raised throughout this thread. I don't think the best answer is to run your same tests again. I think the best answer is to learn how to do a propper test...

And how can we comment on the technical design of the block if you give little to no info on its design? All I saw was a pin count. Past that 0 on the internals...

actually i am not a tester as well, this is my first in wateblocks, and i have askded for a test from procooling for 2 months, but still waiting for it , so i try to do it myself.

i think there is one internal pic or i make it bigger~~~

JamesAvery22 · 08-03-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by imbabawu

actually i am not a tester as well, this is my first in wateblocks, and i have askded for a test from procooling for 2 months, but still waiting for it , so i try to do it myself.

i think there is one internal pic or i make it bigger~~~
IMG Image removed because I'm a pimp /IMG

Yeah I heard you were trying to get these blocks out to others for awhile, sucks. Sorry.

As for the internals pic, thanks. So the base and pins are all one milled piece? MCW5000 style? Now when I look at the reflection of the pins in the base of that other block it sure looks like the top pins are smaller than the bottom ones (yeah I know its a circle

). Was that on purpose? Smaller pins under the inlet and larger under the outlet or something? Or am I just seeing things?

08-03-2005, 05:59 AM	#43
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	lol you're not doing well so far mate, you're incompetent AND a liar... __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights. Last edited by Etacovda; 08-03-2005 at 06:06 AM.

08-03-2005, 08:48 AM	#46
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	hey, i just call it as i see it, perhaps its a bit harsh. Obviously i say what others are thinking, so its not a terrible thing seems to be digging himself a rather large hole, thats all. __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

07-31-2005, 07:58 PM	#26
Ls7corvete Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: FL Posts: 164	where can these be bought? I am not familiar with this manufacturer.

08-01-2005, 02:54 AM	#32
imbabawu Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sydney Posts: 21	right now i havent ready to sell it, as i told to some of u, our productivity is very low, now we just make some blocks for our friends and old customers, and this proprobably is our last version, we dont suggest people send another $100 to get 1 or 0.5 better performance, we ar now looking for something else, because even u get a perfect block, it still depends on the air and water temprature, right? now we have the Phase Change and Dry Ice & Liquid Nitrogen product as well, but they are only for some hi end player. Fortunately we finaly find a kit which is suit to all level of player, low cost, low energy consumption， high performance http://bbs.gzeasy.com/uploads/post-3...0151_thumb.jpg whole kit is AU $450(block, tube, pump, and the icewater machine) but not for sale yet as well

08-02-2005, 04:21 PM	#36
Fantaz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3	imbabawu, can you take orders from Canada? I may be interested in purchasing your block for testing purposes.

08-02-2005, 07:38 PM	#37
imbabawu Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sydney Posts: 21	this test contains 2 parts, the second part burnt the pc about 30-40 minutes, puls the first test, it was about 50 minutes. i just have 2 blocks, one for me and one for a test, so not for sale yet, sry`~~~~ and i dont know what is safe/secure in smart BRiT's mind lol

08-02-2005, 09:45 PM	#39
imbabawu Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sydney Posts: 21	i am lazy, but 2 springs/bolts are enogh too fix the block on the MB for a one hour test, and there are some socket just use 2, such as AMD. basically, watercooling is a dangerous solution for cooling nobody force u to buy it, it is ur choice. i was lazy in my test, but better than someone lazy in the production, how many blocks are worth their price? ask urself if u have some sense in the productin.

08-03-2005, 07:34 AM	#44
bobkoure Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA - Boston area Posts: 798	Just as a side issue, why forgo an over-the-die inlet unless being able to put pressure directly above it is important to your mounting system? (Like the Innovatek Rev 3, for instance - see how clamping pressure is applied through a single point directly above the die?) All very academic at this point, anyway, as Belenar seems to have caught you dead to rights. Aren't you just a bit embarrassed? Hint: Apologize and if you want anything other than negative comments here send a block off to someone willing and able (both equipment and time) to test it. You're not getting responses from pHaestus as he's been very busy (so he has the equipment but not the time). Fantaz has offered to actually buy a block - dunno if Fantaz has the equipment, but it sounds as though the time and willingness are there. Also - I'm guessing you've gotten these blocks from mainland China (?) In the early 80's I had some dealings with a man from the PRC who had factory "connections". At the time they were making knock-off copies of athletic shoes (and BTW also trying to figure out what else they could produce with the excess capacity they had). They were very good copies, including how they performed when on your feet (he gave me a couple of pairs to try). Check out what percentage of athletic shoes come from the PRC now. I've seen the same thing happen with industrial fasteners. Maybe watercooling has gotten enough mainstream that PRC factories are at least thinking of producing wbs with excess capacity? All supposition, of course. Don't quote any of this as fact (except the shoes and fasteners history )

08-03-2005, 09:03 AM	#47
imbabawu Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sydney Posts: 21	may be the best answer is to do it again so i just did once more http://storage.msn.com/x1pgliP38XxBL...xT-TmrbiU_r76Q http://storage.msn.com/x1pgliP38XxBL...3gG7nP_ZBcpPwA seems to be the same rsult jaydee, if u still interested in testing the block, i can give u the one i keep for pHaestus, may be he is too busy to do the test, but the thing is how many people will accept your test and one more thing is what makes u guys so difficult to accept this block's performance? without my test, can u purely give me some ideas about this block technically?

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