COPPER vs. ALuminum is RONG!!!

[\\«WÎÑG»//]

well im convinced that aluminum is better. i just went to the comp. store to buy a CPU cooler. its the Gigabyte 3D PCU21-VG.
geuss what, it made it worse.
my CPU temp. before i got the blower was 113.
with this new one i bought with a copper base with heat pipe design, MY TEMP. WAS 129 AND WITHOUT FULL BLAST WENT TO 160. fahrenheit buy the way.
i hooked it up just the way your suppose to and everything nice and sexy, and it did nothing good.
so i strapped my old aluminum with fan cooler on, and it went back to 113.
explain that.

and sorry for the spell check, im not very serious when it comes to forum posts. and plus, i dont care.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

well im convinced that aluminum is better. i just went to the comp. store to buy a CPU cooler. its the Gigabyte 3D PCU21-VG.
geuss what, it made it worse.
my CPU temp. before i got the blower was 113.
with this new one i bought with a copper base with heat pipe design, MY TEMP. WAS 129 AND WITHOUT FULL BLAST WENT TO 160. fahrenheit buy the way.
i hooked it up just the way your suppose to and everything nice and sexy, and it did nothing good.
so i strapped my old aluminum with fan cooler on, and it went back to 113.
explain that.

and sorry for the spell check, im not very serious when it comes to forum posts. and plus, i dont care.

To hell with the laws of physics, whatever works for you bro!

[BillA]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

. . . . .
and sorry for the spell check, im not very serious when it comes to forum posts. and plus, i dont care.

why did anyone even respond ?
it was obvious by the initial post, just ignore those who cannot 'be bothered'
too stupid by far

[Cathar]

I see what's going on now.

Fairly obvious that this guy subscribes to the singular instance model.

As in, "If I can find a single scenario whereby one thing (aluminium) is better than something else (copper), then this automatically means that such is true for ALL scenarios".

This attitude is somewhat comparitive to standing over a bare die cpu and pouring water over the bare CPU die with a garden hose while the computer was on, and as the water consequentially destroyed the computer, then declaring that water-cooling was inferior to a passively cooled aluminium heatsink atop a P4 that was thermally throttling itself to 5% performance.

[\\«WÎÑG»//]

why did it happen?

Originally Posted by Long Haired Git

OMG, we've been going the wrong way. Obviously, we need to INSULATE our CPUs, not conduct heat away from them

conducting heat away from the cpu using copper wont work as good as aluminum.
even though copper can conduct heat, doesnt mean you can just make the rising heat of the cpu stop too. copper wont cool down just because its cunducting the heat away.
because the heat is always constent means that the heat is just gona rise. that is why you must have it suppressed, in your words you said insulate.
keeping the cooling plate of the cpu cool will directly stop heat growth of the cpu. you are not just try to get rid of heat, your trying to stop it at the source.

even if copper will cunduct heat away, you cannot cool it fast enough from stoping heat from building withing the copper.

in other word, you cant loose heat fast enough to still stay cool and not gaining temp.
its like the battery charged by the generater on the moter that is powerd by the battery. it just wont charge fast enough to be self efficient and not die. it just gets lower and lower.

same basic concept. you just cant loose heat fast enough to still stay cool.

so with that in mind to suppress the heat using aluminum witch resists heat, you stop the heat from growing, keeping it cool.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

so with that in mind to suppress the heat using aluminum witch resists heat, you stop the heat from growing, keeping it cool.

LOL.

Also I would keep your bullshit to this thread. Spreading it to other threads will probably get you banned. Of course that's probably what your going for.

[\\«WÎÑG»//]

Originally Posted by jaydee

LOL.

Also I would keep your bullshit to this thread. Spreading it to other threads will probably get you banned. Of course that's probably what your going for.

oh, i see, your just so smart you make alot of money in a day and this is just another BS topic. dont worry, im shure your not good enough at this to be able to unstand it anyway.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

oh, i see, your just so smart you make alot of money in a day and this is just another BS topic. dont worry, im shure your not good enough at this to be able to unstand it anyway.

Just saying that your smarter than everyone else so your smartness may not be welcomed in other threads and be perceived as trolling and you may get banned for your smartness. Being you have it all figured out and way more intelligent than us there really isn't much reason for you to post anymore to us ignorant fools especially being you don't care anyway.

[Etacovda]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

oh, i see, your just so smart you make alot of money in a day and this is just another BS topic. dont worry, im shure your not good enough at this to be able to unstand it anyway.

get a spellchecker, or better yet a dictionary (you can hit yourself over the head with it whilst you check your posts for errors!)

Its hard not to laugh at someone calling someone else stupid whilst not being able to spell words like 'sure'.

Tell you what, wander over to another tech site, they lap shit like this up, you'll be a god there. Eventually you'll start reviewing, realise your technical impotency, and blame it on drugs and a bad childhood. This will result in extreme touchiness and an inability to take crit well, which will result in IP bans of anyone that disagrees with or questions your testing methods. The runner of the site will come to your aid, realise that hes completely wrong and backpedal, deleting posts.

We'll keep a copy of this thread above our mantels, each and every one of us, in a frame, to remind us of how you once graced us with your presence. People will come years later and ask 'whats this RONG thread you keep mentioning' - we'll link to it, but it'll be edited beyond repair, and will become a procooling myth thread.

And with that strange, inane rant im going to sleep. If you dont understand my extreme sarcasm, thats understandable, just dont expect to understand the underlying joke that others will get

[\\«WÎÑG»//]

whatever you say. i forgot, SORRY. lol

i made a pritty picture for you guys on paint shop.
it visualy shows what im trying to say it little square pixels.
but you gots read what i said before.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4351/copper7lh.png

[EDIT: I added the image as an attachment]

[Joe]

Dude pH was right, this thread has gone to 11!

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

whatever you say. i forgot, SORRY. lol

i made a pritty picture for you guys on paint shop.
it visualy shows what im trying to say it little square pixels.
but you gots read what i said before.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4351/copper7lh.png

Damn, and all this time I was trying to dissipate the heat being produced from the CPU. By your logic Aluminum actually stops the heat from being produced all together! You should apply for a patent!

Man I must be bored...

[Anonymous]

Do they teach thermodynamics in Nigeria?

[Joe]

in a way I am happy this is in th Random Nonsense area of the forum. I mean it surely doesnt fit in any technical cooling area

[Spot]

Facts aside, Wing is pretty serious about this, he's even got illustration. ...........but then again it's not serious enough for it to be posted in the "Random Nonsense" section. LOL

[zip22]

this thread is the best i've seen in a long time.

please, for your own good, read something... ANYTHING that contains some actual facts.
http://www.heatsink-guide.com/conten...sinkinfo.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_conductivity

[\\«WÎÑG»//]

well what can i say? :shrug:

Hey, this idea isnt that bad if you think about it.
if you look at what i said, it should work better.
im not saying on its own, aluminum will be a miracle worker, but i just think it works better then copper.
think about it. if you could cool the aluminum plate and keep it there, you would be able to cool the entire CPU. that is the cool of a cooling system. to just slack some of the heat off is ok, but to actually prevent it from the source.
if designers put more work into aluminum cooling fans, i bet it would work better then copper.

[Incoherent]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

why did it happen?.

You mounted it incorrectly? Did you use thermal compound? Did you try several mounts? Maybe it's a crap heatsink despite it being made of copper. But the temperature comparison you gave suggests that you fûcked it up.

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

You are not just trying to get rid of heat, your trying to stop it at the source.

...Even if copper will conduct heat away, you cannot cool it fast enough from stopping heat from building within the copper. ...

...in other words, you cant lose heat fast enough to still stay cool and not gaining temp.

WING, I think you are misunderstanding the problem. We ARE only trying to get rid of heat. We are NOT trying to stop it at it's source, the only way to do that would be to switch off the computer.
If heat is added to a system the temperature will rise. That is fundamental. It will rise linearly if there is no mechanism for transporting the heat away. If there is a means to move the heat away the temperature will still rise, but it will do so ever more slowly the hotter the system gets until the system reaches a steady state temperature. This steady state temperature is determined by the effectiveness off the transport mechanism, your heatsink.
The heatsink effectiveness is determined by the conductivity of its material, it's dimensions and its convective ability to transport the heat from the heatsink into the surrounding air. It's heat capacity affects the rate of temperature rise, not the final SS temperature.
It is possible to make a heatsink from aluminium that outperforms a copper one, but the "best possible" copper heatsink will always outperform the "best possible" aluminium one...



...I tried.

[Long Haired Git]

The only factor where aluminium is better is its weight, and so an aluminium HS can be bigger per KG than a copper one.

Think of this, Wing. Its the difference of temperature that makes energy (heat) flow. We NEED the energy to leave the CPU as otherwise it accumulates there as heat and the CPU boils and burns and the magic smoke escapes.
Now its true that a cold HSF would have a higher difference in temp to a warming CPU and hence more heat can flow.
The problem then is the heat is in the heatsink.
Now what?
If the heatsink doesn't get hotter, there will be no transfer to the air, as there is no difference in temperature to drive the energy flow.
So energy is coming in, and energy is not leaving, so it MUST get hotter (or make enough noise, or movement or other way to "bleed" the energy coming in).

So, as per incoherent, the specific heat which is how fast the heat sink will heat up, will be different. However, its the stable state we care about.

And that stable state is dependent on the design of the heatsink and how hot we can get it so there is a large difference between the heatsink and the air.

However, we want the CPU to be as cold as possible, and we don't want the heatsink to be hotter than the CPU otherwise energy will flow back into the CPU and heat that up.

So, its all about getting energy to flow from the CPU to air as efficiently as possible. Its about getting as much of the heatsink to be as near as possible to the CPU temperature so that the CPU is as cool as possible whilst still having a difference enough to bleed the energy to the air.

Oh sod it, I give up, there are the links above and plenty of other sites.

Now, I am assuming the followups mean you're serious, so here's a tip.
ProCooling is not a bunch of kids with PCs all out-ricing each other. Some of the posters here have many years working at companies full time on cooling computers. Most of us are in IT full time. Some of the posters above spend a bucket load of their spare time designing world class water blocks and helping improve radiator design. If you'd come in and said:
"I've done some research at these sites {link}, {link}, {link}, {link}, but I just don't get why copper is better than aluminium. Can I get someone to provide a good article or explain it to me?"
then you would have gotten a better response.
Instead, you came in and shot your mouth of about how you are right and everyone else in the world is wrong, you did it in CAPS and with crap spelling, and you're still arguing.

Despite this, people here are trying to help. Take advantage of this, and listen and read and ask good questions. Take the time to punctuate so we know you're trying, and we'll try too. That last post is better, but I'd like the next post to show you've read the links presented to you.

Now, on to you're last post. There is a way to keep the contact patch of the CPU at a constant temp, to keep it "cold". Its called a "peltier" or a TEC. Google that word and do some reading.

[Lucanus]

Originally Posted by \\«WÎÑG»//

ALUMINUM IS A METAL THAT RESISTS HEAT, AND DOESNT CONDUCT IT. THAT IS WHY IN ROOM TEMP. IT IS ALWAYS COOLER THEN THE SURRONDINGS.

Before I start to rant let me say this, I wouldn't be surprised if WING is a regular here and his post is nothing more than an attempt at stirring the pot.

Anyway, if your little gem of a theory was true it would instantly grant you the Nobel price in physics - no questions asked.
Not to mention the fact that following the same line of "logic" (?):
Every single book covering thermodynamics will have to be rewritten.
You would solve the energy crisis for all eternity - amen.
It would be possible to build a perpetum mobile.
Someone else would allready have thought of it and become a dollar billionaire.

Anyway.. They say there's a fine line between ignorance and stupidity - and it sounds to me as if you've crossed that line and never looked back.
Good luck with the Nobel price comittee, I'm sure they'll be thrilled by your discovery.

Have a nice day.

[Angry_Steel]

He probably has a stock aluminum heatsink that was put on by the OEM he bought the computer from, made the mistake of buying a HS that looked "Cool" and tried to install it but borked it and then put 2 and 2 together and came up with copper sucks and aluminum rocks.

Wing, maybe you should invest in some real heatsinks, such as Thermalright or Swiftech and then spend some time learning how to install them properly before you come up with this cockeyed idea that you have. Hard to believe there are people like you who are wasting my kids oxygen supply.

[TerraMex]

sorry
why is this thread still alive?
stay cool.

[billbartuska]

See Pic.

[pHaestus]

update re:

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4351/copper7lh.png

This is the greatest thing ever to be uploaded to the internets. Thanks! Also Wing never let this cruel world change you! You hear me? NEVER CHANGE!

/fake edit: Someone asked if I had been crying when they dropped by the office and I burst out laughing again.

[SpeedSwede]

what this forum needs is a subforum where all the greatest threads get moved

i propose we call it "comedy coppermine"