ThermoChill announce PA120 Release - Page 2

Blackeagle · 10-06-2005, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowing

Any chance, you can specify the pricing on these items?

Will depend a bit on mark up by retailers he's not in control of......but a MSRP wouldn't be a bad thing...

Marci · 10-07-2005, 04:02 AM

They'll be at the least the same price as the current HE Series, and at the most, £4 more expensive.

shadowing · 10-09-2005, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marci

They'll be at the least the same price as the current HE Series, and at the most, £4 more expensive.

Can that be put into US dollar terms? Sorry.. I am just not familiar with Euros ><

Etacovda · 10-09-2005, 12:29 AM

thats a pound sign... what do they teach you people over there :P

www.xe.com
use the currency converter.

Brians256 · 10-09-2005, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etacovda

thats a pound sign... what do they teach you people over there :P

www.xe.com
use the currency converter.

Teach? Whoever you want to blame, US schools aren't exactly rigorous.

P.S. I blame Lowest common denominator teaching caused by giving all control to the govt instead of having informed parents be in charge of the teachers. Heck, we've gotten to the point that even if the parents were in charge, it wouldn't help.

jaydee · 10-09-2005, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brians256

Heck, we've gotten to the point that even if the parents were in charge, it wouldn't help.

Why do you think the government is control in the first place? I have traveled the USA and seen many many types of families of different races and religions and do not want any of them in charge of the schools. Young parents these days are less responsible than some of their own kids......

Marci · 10-10-2005, 09:13 AM

http://www.thermochill.com/pa1203.php

There. Can I go get drunk now??! (heh - I already did - spent this weekend at Butlins with a few thousand bikers getting well n truly blotto'd with Slade & Dr and the Medics... oo-er)
Will have a full set on the way to Cathar tomorrow for final test results drawing up on the production models rather than be chelping on about prototype results... Begun talks with BillA for some testing last week, will get that underway soon as he gives me the nod...!

So... give it a week or two for proper performance figures.

Will post some better piccies / detail piccies within next hr or so - batteries ran out in the camera...

Nugit · 10-10-2005, 09:41 AM

Wow, looking good...
Initially surprised by the depth though, even deeper than the HE series? Otherwise it is hard to notice any differences from the HEs. Looks to be same number of channels through as well.
Looking forward to more shots.

Marci · 10-10-2005, 09:41 AM

Pic 1 - Full Rad (42Kb)
Pic 2 - PA Core (12Kb)
Pic 3 - Depth comparison (5Kb)
Pic 4 - PA vs HE (45Kb)

120.2 & 120.1 models should be available tomorrow...

Nugit · 10-10-2005, 09:45 AM

Ahh, it all makes sense now. Thanks a bunch Marci, looking forward to see what Cathar and BillA will make of it

Marci · 10-10-2005, 10:09 AM

Oh aye... final pricing worked out at £1.50 over the current HE Series... Note they are slightly wider than the HE Series also, which means current Performance Shrouds won't fit them unless you're prepared to bend the shroud slightly before hand. The rad is the exact same width as the shroud... whereas previous HE Series rads were 1mm narrower.

mjassbong · 10-10-2005, 01:06 PM

Will there be shrouds for the PA120 coming soon?

Marci · 10-10-2005, 04:45 PM

indeedy...

Etacovda · 10-10-2005, 05:43 PM

wow, substantially less dense isnt it. Now just get some good retailers in Aus

shadowing · 10-10-2005, 06:27 PM

Seems to be a bit less restrictive than the HE series? (Just guessing, but is it? It seems like it seeing all those fins)

All in all, that looks nice so far.

Long Haired Git · 10-11-2005, 02:25 AM

From the link: http://www.thermochill.com/pa1203.php

Quote:

The PA Series boasts from 10-40% better performance over the HE Series. 10% for the high / noisy airflow end of the fan market, and up to 40% for the low airflow / silence end of the market.

Can I safely assume the same level of improvement for a PA120.2 over a HE120.2? BillA never did any 120.3 numbers in his famous review, but did plenty of HE120.2 testing.

Eg: from the link on your site, graph 14 here: http://www.overclockers.com/articles778/index04.asp

So, when you say the airflow/silence crowd, I'd assume you mean Papst 4312L @ 7V, which for us would mean C/W values around 0.09.

So, 40% better means that C/W drops to around 0.05?

That's a pretty serious improvement....

Marci · 10-11-2005, 06:43 AM

Yep... basically... Cathar will be able to explain it better than I. PA120.1 & 120.2 were finished today and put up for retail... so will have a set off to Cathar so he can get figures from the final production models.

mashie · 10-11-2005, 09:18 AM

PA120.3 ordered and heading this way. Looking forward to see how it perform with two fans pulling air from across a rad box.

slimeballzz · 10-12-2005, 02:47 PM

Has anyone had any experience with the Aerocool Turbine fan?
http://www.aerocool.us/p-accessory/t...bine%20fan.htm

I have a couple of Papst 4412FGL and just wondering if I should make the switch if I can lower the noise down.

slimeballzz · 10-12-2005, 04:05 PM

Has anyone had any experience with the Aerocool Turbine fan? Or even tried it on the PA160?
http://www.aerocool.us/p-accessory/t...bine%20fan.htm

It seems like a good canditate because of the extra fins for better pressure through the rad but not sure if it would be necessary for the PA120 because of it's low air restriction.

I do already have a couple of Papst 4412 F/2GL, but just wondering if I should make the switch if I can lower the noise down and benefit with more airflow through it.

Marci · 10-12-2005, 05:13 PM

No experience and not tried here... it's advantages would be seen more on a HE rad over a fan of similar cfm due to increased pressure, but I'd be inclined to say they'd be of little advantage on the PA series over standard fan same spec less pressure... again, Cathar's been doing the testing and has run several fans over the PA160 so would likely have more to add...

Cathar · 10-12-2005, 06:29 PM

Been thinking about getting one of these fans, but moreso because of the apparant quietness factor than anything else.

Static pressure of these fans is ~0.9mmH2O, which for a claimed 37.5cfm fan is no more or no less than what we'd expect it to be is relation to fans with less blades.

slimeballzz · 10-13-2005, 08:45 PM

So I'll probably be better off staying with my Papst 4412 F/2GL's?

slimeballzz · 10-25-2005, 03:27 PM

When will the shrouds be coming out?
Also is there anywhere I can find these in Canada?
I would like to buy a couple with shrouds.

Marci · 11-04-2005, 11:29 AM

PS120B.x now released - Performance Shroud for PA120 Series Radiators.

See http://www.thermochill.com/acatalog/...cessories.html

No Canadian Resellers at the mo... order direct from thermochill.com

10-07-2005, 04:02 AM	#27
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	They'll be at the least the same price as the current HE Series, and at the most, £4 more expensive. __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-09-2005, 12:29 AM	#29
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	thats a pound sign... what do they teach you people over there :P www.xe.com use the currency converter. __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

10-10-2005, 09:13 AM	#32
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	http://www.thermochill.com/pa1203.php There. Can I go get drunk now??! (heh - I already did - spent this weekend at Butlins with a few thousand bikers getting well n truly blotto'd with Slade & Dr and the Medics... oo-er) Will have a full set on the way to Cathar tomorrow for final test results drawing up on the production models rather than be chelping on about prototype results... Begun talks with BillA for some testing last week, will get that underway soon as he gives me the nod...! So... give it a week or two for proper performance figures. Will post some better piccies / detail piccies within next hr or so - batteries ran out in the camera... __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-10-2005, 09:41 AM	#34
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Pic 1 - Full Rad (42Kb) Pic 2 - PA Core (12Kb) Pic 3 - Depth comparison (5Kb) Pic 4 - PA vs HE (45Kb) 120.2 & 120.1 models should be available tomorrow... __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-10-2005, 10:09 AM	#36
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Oh aye... final pricing worked out at £1.50 over the current HE Series... Note they are slightly wider than the HE Series also, which means current Performance Shrouds won't fit them unless you're prepared to bend the shroud slightly before hand. The rad is the exact same width as the shroud... whereas previous HE Series rads were 1mm narrower. __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-10-2005, 09:41 AM	#33
Nugit Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Aalborg, Denmark Posts: 85	Wow, looking good... Initially surprised by the depth though, even deeper than the HE series? Otherwise it is hard to notice any differences from the HEs. Looks to be same number of channels through as well. Looking forward to more shots.

10-10-2005, 09:45 AM	#35
Nugit Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Aalborg, Denmark Posts: 85	Ahh, it all makes sense now. Thanks a bunch Marci, looking forward to see what Cathar and BillA will make of it

10-10-2005, 01:06 PM	#37
mjassbong Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California, U.S. Posts: 2	Will there be shrouds for the PA120 coming soon?

10-10-2005, 04:45 PM	#38
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	indeedy... __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-10-2005, 05:43 PM	#39
Etacovda Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dunedin NZ Posts: 735	wow, substantially less dense isnt it. Now just get some good retailers in Aus __________________ Hypocritical Signature I tried to delete: Procooling: where scientific principles are ignored because big corporations are immune to mistakes and oversights.

10-10-2005, 06:27 PM	#40
shadowing Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South California Posts: 26	Seems to be a bit less restrictive than the HE series? (Just guessing, but is it? It seems like it seeing all those fins) All in all, that looks nice so far.

10-11-2005, 06:43 AM	#42
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	Yep... basically... Cathar will be able to explain it better than I. PA120.1 & 120.2 were finished today and put up for retail... so will have a set off to Cathar so he can get figures from the final production models. __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-11-2005, 09:18 AM	#43
mashie Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 149	PA120.3 ordered and heading this way. Looking forward to see how it perform with two fans pulling air from across a rad box. __________________ mashie

10-12-2005, 02:47 PM	#44
slimeballzz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 4	Has anyone had any experience with the Aerocool Turbine fan? http://www.aerocool.us/p-accessory/t...bine%20fan.htm I have a couple of Papst 4412FGL and just wondering if I should make the switch if I can lower the noise down.

10-12-2005, 04:05 PM	#45
slimeballzz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 4	Has anyone had any experience with the Aerocool Turbine fan? Or even tried it on the PA160? http://www.aerocool.us/p-accessory/t...bine%20fan.htm It seems like a good canditate because of the extra fins for better pressure through the rad but not sure if it would be necessary for the PA120 because of it's low air restriction. I do already have a couple of Papst 4412 F/2GL, but just wondering if I should make the switch if I can lower the noise down and benefit with more airflow through it. Last edited by slimeballzz; 10-13-2005 at 08:45 PM.

10-12-2005, 05:13 PM	#46
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	No experience and not tried here... it's advantages would be seen more on a HE rad over a fan of similar cfm due to increased pressure, but I'd be inclined to say they'd be of little advantage on the PA series over standard fan same spec less pressure... again, Cathar's been doing the testing and has run several fans over the PA160 so would likely have more to add... __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

10-12-2005, 06:29 PM	#47
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Been thinking about getting one of these fans, but moreso because of the apparant quietness factor than anything else. Static pressure of these fans is ~0.9mmH2O, which for a claimed 37.5cfm fan is no more or no less than what we'd expect it to be is relation to fans with less blades.

10-13-2005, 08:45 PM	#48
slimeballzz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 4	So I'll probably be better off staying with my Papst 4412 F/2GL's?

10-25-2005, 03:27 PM	#49
slimeballzz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 4	When will the shrouds be coming out? Also is there anywhere I can find these in Canada? I would like to buy a couple with shrouds.

11-04-2005, 11:29 AM	#50
Marci Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 486	PS120B.x now released - Performance Shroud for PA120 Series Radiators. See http://www.thermochill.com/acatalog/...cessories.html No Canadian Resellers at the mo... order direct from thermochill.com __________________ www.minimotosidecars.org / www.thermochill.com / www.themusiccollective.co.uk

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