DD GPU MAZE has mounting problems. - Page 2

Brad · 01-07-2002, 09:56 PM

I'd always say that the cpu should be directly after the rad, the pump can create a bit of heat

Jonas · 01-09-2002, 11:43 PM

i have the visiontek card too, and the resistor is there, but its not a real problem. the real problem piece is the damn northbridge block. it does NOT fit on my KG7, and aparently it doesn't fit on some msi boards either. the caps are just too close to the northbridge. i had a kr7 coming anyways, and it looks like it will work fine on those, but i think they skipped some major R&D steps with these blocks.

Brad · 01-09-2002, 11:56 PM

I don't think they did, you can't really expect them to buy every single gf3 and every single motherboard out there

I presume they measured the size available on the boards they themselves own, and based it off there.

mrcandy224 · 01-10-2002, 12:55 AM

Revert to ghetto method.. AS Epoxy

Jonas · 01-10-2002, 09:53 AM

well. i would say you are right, but you neglect to recall we have this thingie called the "net" which allows you to view images of things without actually having it in front of you!!

i managed in about 10 minutes of hunting, to find a board that the northbridge will fit, just by using the pics on the manufacturers website. i see no reason for them to have not done the same. other than laziness or ambivilance. R&D is the most expensive and time consuming part of any project....as well it should be. they skipped it, and now there will be a lot of folks who get screwed. i am curious as to exactly which gf3 they tested it on...considering that the 4 named before have easily 90% of the gf3 market. its obviously a part of the reference design, so why didn't they test on a reference board?

you excusing them is lame. them not testing better is lame. the block itself is cool

Brad · 01-10-2002, 03:58 PM

yes, I agree with that.

anyway, I'd be interested to see what DDen have to say about this

mrcandy224 · 01-12-2002, 02:24 PM

No reply after the 1st.. whats going on here?

UnaClocker · 01-13-2002, 02:50 AM

bitch and moan, bitch and moan. I still want a video card waterblock that cools the ram too. Can you imagine the design problems that they'd have with that, trying to make it compatible with all these different cards. They'd probably just have to sell it WITH the card, or just tell you exactly which card to buy for the block.

I'd also like a video card block that doesn't cover ANY PCI slots, it's VERY POSSIBLE, they just aren't trying hard enough.

Ok, there's my 2 bits of bitch and moan.

mashie · 01-13-2002, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UnaClocker
bitch and moan, bitch and moan. I still want a video card waterblock that cools the ram too.

Well, here is my solution for that problem...

mrcandy224 · 01-13-2002, 11:38 AM

For the first time Una, that was extremely unprofessional of you.

Alright, I'm not sure if you read Jonas's post but he's right.. I'm almost 100% sure all of the cards listed there can't even use what was provided.. (including the REFRENCE!).. which card did they use?! I mean I wouldn't bitch and moan as much if I found out which damn card... I'd prolly trade someone for it and I'd be in buisness but the main manufacturers of the GF3 are screwed in this direction:

VisionTek
ASUS
LeadTek
ELSA
Gainward

new:
ABIT
PowerColor
eVGA
Jaton
AOpen
Hercules (surprising.. thats what I thought they used.. or Gainward)
Absolute Media (3D Power)
MSI
SUMA
Gigabyte (Well they don't make NVIDIA any more..)
OCZTech
PNY

I've done my research, now you do yours as to which card DangerDen used. Please contest my results if you think I'm wrong.
Let me know if there are any more manufacturers that make GF3s and I will check it out.

edit: btw mashie, nice job with the water cooled GeForce3.. how many PCI slots does that take up? and do you have the block mounted to the copper with drilled holes? that way we wouldn't even need to bother with the stupid mounting holes and I could just epoxy down that giant thing with some schtuff.
(also that could be used for a peltier combination.. (I have a 120w I'm not using on the T-Bird).

Oh and whoever told me to use the machined holes, that don't work either since the holes are too small for the nylon threads.. although I think you mentioned that the screw holes needed metallic smaller screws.. or maybe that was from my own investigation.

futRtrubL · 01-13-2002, 02:40 PM

I think Una was bitching and moanung about the lack of a compined GPU and RAM cooler. I don't think he was complaining about others bitching and moaning.

Nice idea mashie, did I also sea the GPU lapped there?

Edward

mrcandy224 · 01-13-2002, 02:45 PM

Unless I'm mistaken.. he was being EXTREMELY sarcastic.

UnaClocker · 01-13-2002, 03:13 PM

I was making a suggestion on what direction I think video card waterblocks should head. Don't agree they should cool the ram? And the bitch and moan part is because that's what I take this whole thread as, people bitching and moaning. It's a damned forum, who cares if I'm professional sounding. heh..

Brad · 01-13-2002, 04:01 PM

yeah, ram and gpu cooled with one block would be nice, but I think you are asking for difficulties. I think that you would be better to do seperate blocks for the ram and gpu

mashie · 01-13-2002, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrcandy224
btw mashie, nice job with the water cooled GeForce3.. how many PCI slots does that take up? and do you have the block mounted to the copper with drilled holes? that way we wouldn't even need to bother with the stupid mounting holes and I could just epoxy down that giant thing with some schtuff.
(also that could be used for a peltier combination.. (I have a 120w I'm not using on the T-Bird).

It takes up 2 PCI slots, which only the GPU block does anyway so adding a heat spreader won't cause any extra problems. The heat spreader is epoxied to the RAM and GPU, the waterblock is bolted straight through both heat spreader and card.
Adding a peltier would be very easy if longer screws where used.

Quote:

Originally posted by futRtrubL
Nice idea mashie, did I also sea the GPU lapped there?

Edward

Yes the GPU was lapped together with the first layer of copper so they should be on the same level before adding the second layer.
I used 1 mm copper.

mrcandy224 · 01-13-2002, 05:26 PM

Where'd yah get 1mm copper? I'm guessing thats what you used to cover the front of your case with..

Oh yeah and I just realized you have the EXACT same mobo as me! Hurrah!! =D). Anyhoo, when you mounted the MAZE2, did you have any trouble mounting the N-bridge cooler? From my point of view it looks like it would have to be turned just a bit so the MAZE2 wouldn't interfere.

mashie · 01-13-2002, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrcandy224
Where'd yah get 1mm copper? I'm guessing thats what you used to cover the front of your case with..

Oh yeah and I just realized you have the EXACT same mobo as me! Hurrah!! =D). Anyhoo, when you mounted the MAZE2, did you have any trouble mounting the N-bridge cooler? From my point of view it looks like it would have to be turned just a bit so the MAZE2 wouldn't interfere.

Yes it is also used in the front and for the pump.

I got a 1x250x500mm (10"x20") copper sheet from a normal hardware store in Sweden while visiting my parents.

If you have the Epox 8K7A+ it won't interfere at all if you mount the NB block first.

Brad · 01-13-2002, 06:26 PM

I'd buy it if it used 1 pci slot only. In my next board, almost all 760mpx boards have 2x 64bit 66mhz slots only, and they are the top two slots. not convenient for me at all.

the iwill has them as the 1st and 3rd slots though, another 32bit 33mhz slot is the 2nd slot

mashie · 01-13-2002, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
I'd buy it if it used 1 pci slot only. In my next board, almost all 760mpx boards have 2x 64bit 66mhz slots only, and they are the top two slots. not convenient for me at all.

the iwill has them as the 1st and 3rd slots though, another 32bit 33mhz slot is the 2nd slot

You can always get an AGP riser card

UnaClocker · 01-13-2002, 08:20 PM

Why don't the card makers just put the darn components on the opposite side?! I know it's against the standard, but damn it'd be SOOO MUCH EASIER if they did. They'd be able to put much larger heatsinks on from the factory, and we'd have no problem with blocked PCI slots when using custom cooling. Ahh well..

Brad · 01-14-2002, 02:49 PM

yeah I agree una. have the ram chips on the normal side, core on the opposite side, facing the cpu. surely it would be easier to do this for design purposes.

mrcandy224 · 01-14-2002, 05:38 PM

Umm.. wouldn't that only be good for w-cooling? since the hot air from normal coolers would be blowing directly on to the CPU.

Brad · 01-14-2002, 06:07 PM

nahh, you'd have the fan blowing onto the gpu, so sucking air away from the cpu, then blowing it out along the sides of the card

mrcandy224 · 01-21-2002, 04:59 PM

Bump since there are still problems.

the creature · 01-26-2002, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boycee
why dont you just move the resistor ?
As in desolder it, then add extension wire between the card and the resistor ?.

It is a decaupling capicitator, so it's not adviced to move it/make it's path longer.

01-09-2002, 11:43 PM	#27
Jonas Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Jackson, MI Posts: 94	i have the visiontek card too, and the resistor is there, but its not a real problem. the real problem piece is the damn northbridge block. it does NOT fit on my KG7, and aparently it doesn't fit on some msi boards either. the caps are just too close to the northbridge. i had a kr7 coming anyways, and it looks like it will work fine on those, but i think they skipped some major R&D steps with these blocks. __________________ "...as soon as you're born you start dying; so you might as well have a good time..."

01-10-2002, 12:55 AM	#29
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Revert to ghetto method.. AS Epoxy __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-10-2002, 09:53 AM	#30
Jonas Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Jackson, MI Posts: 94	well. i would say you are right, but you neglect to recall we have this thingie called the "net" which allows you to view images of things without actually having it in front of you!! i managed in about 10 minutes of hunting, to find a board that the northbridge will fit, just by using the pics on the manufacturers website. i see no reason for them to have not done the same. other than laziness or ambivilance. R&D is the most expensive and time consuming part of any project....as well it should be. they skipped it, and now there will be a lot of folks who get screwed. i am curious as to exactly which gf3 they tested it on...considering that the 4 named before have easily 90% of the gf3 market. its obviously a part of the reference design, so why didn't they test on a reference board? you excusing them is lame. them not testing better is lame. the block itself is cool __________________ "...as soon as you're born you start dying; so you might as well have a good time..."

01-12-2002, 02:24 PM	#32
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	No reply after the 1st.. whats going on here? __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-13-2002, 02:50 AM	#33
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	bitch and moan, bitch and moan. I still want a video card waterblock that cools the ram too. Can you imagine the design problems that they'd have with that, trying to make it compatible with all these different cards. They'd probably just have to sell it WITH the card, or just tell you exactly which card to buy for the block. I'd also like a video card block that doesn't cover ANY PCI slots, it's VERY POSSIBLE, they just aren't trying hard enough. Ok, there's my 2 bits of bitch and moan. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

01-07-2002, 09:56 PM	#26
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I'd always say that the cpu should be directly after the rad, the pump can create a bit of heat

01-09-2002, 11:56 PM	#28
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I don't think they did, you can't really expect them to buy every single gf3 and every single motherboard out there I presume they measured the size available on the boards they themselves own, and based it off there.

01-10-2002, 03:58 PM	#31
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	yes, I agree with that. anyway, I'd be interested to see what DDen have to say about this

01-13-2002, 11:38 AM	#35
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	For the first time Una, that was extremely unprofessional of you. Alright, I'm not sure if you read Jonas's post but he's right.. I'm almost 100% sure all of the cards listed there can't even use what was provided.. (including the REFRENCE!).. which card did they use?! I mean I wouldn't bitch and moan as much if I found out which damn card... I'd prolly trade someone for it and I'd be in buisness but the main manufacturers of the GF3 are screwed in this direction: VisionTek ASUS LeadTek ELSA Gainward new: ABIT PowerColor eVGA Jaton AOpen Hercules (surprising.. thats what I thought they used.. or Gainward) Absolute Media (3D Power) MSI SUMA Gigabyte (Well they don't make NVIDIA any more..) OCZTech PNY I've done my research, now you do yours as to which card DangerDen used. Please contest my results if you think I'm wrong. Let me know if there are any more manufacturers that make GF3s and I will check it out. edit: btw mashie, nice job with the water cooled GeForce3.. how many PCI slots does that take up? and do you have the block mounted to the copper with drilled holes? that way we wouldn't even need to bother with the stupid mounting holes and I could just epoxy down that giant thing with some schtuff. (also that could be used for a peltier combination.. (I have a 120w I'm not using on the T-Bird). Oh and whoever told me to use the machined holes, that don't work either since the holes are too small for the nylon threads.. although I think you mentioned that the screw holes needed metallic smaller screws.. or maybe that was from my own investigation. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz Last edited by mrcandy224; 01-13-2002 at 12:04 PM.

01-13-2002, 02:40 PM	#36
futRtrubL Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Posts: 204	I think Una was bitching and moanung about the lack of a compined GPU and RAM cooler. I don't think he was complaining about others bitching and moaning. Nice idea mashie, did I also sea the GPU lapped there? Edward

01-13-2002, 02:45 PM	#37
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Unless I'm mistaken.. he was being EXTREMELY sarcastic. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-13-2002, 03:13 PM	#38
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	I was making a suggestion on what direction I think video card waterblocks should head. Don't agree they should cool the ram? And the bitch and moan part is because that's what I take this whole thread as, people bitching and moaning. It's a damned forum, who cares if I'm professional sounding. heh.. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

01-13-2002, 04:01 PM	#39
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	yeah, ram and gpu cooled with one block would be nice, but I think you are asking for difficulties. I think that you would be better to do seperate blocks for the ram and gpu

01-13-2002, 05:26 PM	#41
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Where'd yah get 1mm copper? I'm guessing thats what you used to cover the front of your case with.. Oh yeah and I just realized you have the EXACT same mobo as me! Hurrah!! =D). Anyhoo, when you mounted the MAZE2, did you have any trouble mounting the N-bridge cooler? From my point of view it looks like it would have to be turned just a bit so the MAZE2 wouldn't interfere. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-13-2002, 06:26 PM	#43
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I'd buy it if it used 1 pci slot only. In my next board, almost all 760mpx boards have 2x 64bit 66mhz slots only, and they are the top two slots. not convenient for me at all. the iwill has them as the 1st and 3rd slots though, another 32bit 33mhz slot is the 2nd slot

01-13-2002, 08:20 PM	#45
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	Why don't the card makers just put the darn components on the opposite side?! I know it's against the standard, but damn it'd be SOOO MUCH EASIER if they did. They'd be able to put much larger heatsinks on from the factory, and we'd have no problem with blocked PCI slots when using custom cooling. Ahh well.. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

01-14-2002, 02:49 PM	#46
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	yeah I agree una. have the ram chips on the normal side, core on the opposite side, facing the cpu. surely it would be easier to do this for design purposes.

01-14-2002, 05:38 PM	#47
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Umm.. wouldn't that only be good for w-cooling? since the hot air from normal coolers would be blowing directly on to the CPU. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-14-2002, 06:07 PM	#48
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	nahh, you'd have the fan blowing onto the gpu, so sucking air away from the cpu, then blowing it out along the sides of the card

01-21-2002, 04:59 PM	#49
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Bump since there are still problems. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

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